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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2009For Australians: pronunciation of Adirondack
We watched a mindless Australian programme earlier this evening called "Auction Squad", where they "improve" houses to get a better sale price on auction day. This one included placing a couple of Adirondack chairs in the garden. The presenter stumbled over the name, until she managed to say it how she understood it should be said: a-DEER-on-dack. No-one corrected her one this, so I assume that must be how the people who sold the chairs -- or the programme's researchers -- told her to say it. Is "Adirondak" -- for the chairs or the mountains -- that obscure a word, or is her second-syllable stress fairly normal in Australia? (I'm not ridiculing her at all here; just curious.)  SignatureCheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed > We watched a mindless Australian programme earlier this evening > called "Auction Squad", where they "improve" houses to get a better [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > (I'm not ridiculing her at all here; just curious.) I (BrE) wouldn't have a clue how to pronounce it, and making a stab at it a second syllable stress falls out of it quite naturally. It's more that you destress the 'A', make a confident leap at the "dir" and then let the rest tail off a bit relieved to have got that far. SignatureOnline waterways route planner: http://canalplan.org.uk development version: http://canalplan.eu > We watched a mindless Australian programme earlier this evening > called "Auction Squad", where they "improve" houses to get a better [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Is "Adirondak" -- for the chairs or the mountains -- that obscure a > word, or is her second-syllable stress fairly normal in Australia? (AusE&NZE) I know what Adirondack furniture is and that there is a mountain range of that name but as far as I know I have never heard the word spoken out loud. It sounds like ad - EYE'on - dack in my head, but that's a spelling mnemonic and I have no idea of the correct pronunciation. I'd have thought DIRE rather than DEER would be just as good a guess. Well, it did sound like that until I listened to an audio clip of the correct pronunciation just now! >> We watched a mindless Australian programme earlier this evening >> called "Auction Squad", where they "improve" houses to get a better [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Well, it did sound like that until I listened to an audio clip of the >correct pronunciation just now! It is pronounced "add-a-ron-deck" or "add-oh-ron-deck" or even with the "deck" as "dack". These are the pronunciations that the average person in the US would apply to the chair style. The actual accepted pronunciations of the area may be one thing, but none of the pronunciations I've given would jar to the average American who does not live in the area of the Adirondack. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida On 10 Jan 2009, tony cooper wrote >>> We watched a mindless Australian programme earlier this >>> evening called "Auction Squad", where they "improve" houses to [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > with the "deck" as "dack". These are the pronunciations that > the average person in the US would apply to the chair style. The main difference, though, is that when the second syllable is stressed -- as in the TV programme or Tasha's guesses -- the word becomes almost unrecognisable to someone who's expecting anything remotely in range of the normal pronunciation. > On 10 Jan 2009, tony cooper wrote > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Adirondack's in New York, upstate New York; why would anyone in Australia have ever heard of it? I must've heard it sometime; I see the word and think /,&d @ 'ran d@k/. On 10 Jan 2009, Cece wrote >> On 10 Jan 2009, tony cooper wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Adirondack's in New York, upstate New York; why would anyone in > Australia have ever heard of it? Well, (a) the geographical obscurity is why I've been careful to specify that the mispronunciation is entirely understandable; (b) but there is a chair design of that name that somebody's clearly selling in Australia, and one might imagine that the people who supplied the TV programme might have been at least mildly interested in letting them know how their product's name is pronounced; and (c) my original reason for posting was to ask if the word was indeed obscure in Australia, or if the mispronunciation was in general use. So I'm a bit uncertain why you appear to think that I'm expecting Australians in general to have heard of the place. SignatureCheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed Cece Armstrong: > Adirondack's in New York, upstate New York; It is? > why would anyone in Australia have ever heard of it? Well, I certainly haven't. However, I have been more than once to *the Adirondack Mountains*, or the *Adirondacks* for short, which are in upstate New york. SignatureMark Brader, Toronto | "This is as 'real' as your so-called life gets!" msb@vex.net | "Q Who", ST:TNG, Maurice Hurley > It is pronounced "add-a-ron-deck" or "add-oh-ron-deck" or even with > the "deck" as "dack". These are the pronunciations that the average > person in the US would apply to the chair style. The actual accepted > pronunciations of the area may be one thing, but none of the > pronunciations I've given would jar to the average American who does > not live in the area of the Adirondack. In the area of the Adirondacks. Accent on the first and third syllables, and there is more than one mountain in the range. The "s" is dropped when using "Adirondack" as an adjective. I lived in New York growing up, and I pronounce the word as Merriam-Webster has it, \ˌa-də-ˈrän-ˌdak-\. <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Adirondack Mountains> SignatureLew >> It is pronounced "add-a-ron-deck" or "add-oh-ron-deck" or even with >> the "deck" as "dack". These are the pronunciations that the average [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >there is more than one mountain in the range. The "s" is dropped when using >"Adirondack" as an adjective. It's also dropped when you know better but miss a keystroke. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida > On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:49:02 +1100, "Tasha Miller" > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > It is pronounced "add-a-ron-deck" or "add-oh-ron-deck" or even with > the "deck" as "dack". It seems to me that to indicate a pronunciation, you really have to show the accented syllable with capitals or an apostrophe or some such. This is especially true here where the question was which syllable was accented. > These are the pronunciations that the average > person in the US would apply to the chair style. The actual accepted > pronunciations of the area may be one thing, but none of the > pronunciations I've given would jar to the average American who does > not live in the area of the Adirondack. Well, they would jar me, especially the one with "oh"; the only one that wouldn't is the one you implied as "add-a-RON-dack". But maybe if I talked more about the chairs or the mountains, or listened to more commercials, I'd be more used to various pronunciations. -- Jerry Friedman >> It is pronounced "add-a-ron-deck" or "add-oh-ron-deck" or even with >> the "deck" as "dack". > >It seems to me that to indicate a pronunciation, you really have to >show the accented syllable with capitals or an apostrophe or some >such. Not in this case, because non-standard stresses would force a different syllabification. Tony's uncertainty makes it clear that the second syllable is a bare schwa, which is always[1] unstressed. (Presuming, of course, the audience is reasonably accustomed to speaking English.) -GAWollman [1] Someone will be along with a counterexample soon. SignatureGarrett A. Wollman | The real tragedy of human existence is not that we are wollman@csail.mit.edu| nasty by nature, but that a cruel structural asymmetry Opinions not those | grants to rare events of meanness such power to shape of MIT or CSAIL. | our history. - S.J. Gould, Ten Thousand Acts of Kindness > In article <1323240d-d4fc-4c31-bcd3-619284483...@e1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > (Presuming, of course, the audience is reasonably accustomed to > speaking English.) Okay, in the first of his two examples the second syllable is probably not stressed, but the first or the last could be. > -GAWollman > > [1] Someone will be along with a counterexample soon. Before r, as in "further" or "furry". Many linguists seem to believe that in American English, the "fun" vowel is a stressed schwa. M-W uses the schwa for that vowel. I forget how they deal with the speech of that minority of Americans who don't rhyme "hurry" with "furry". -- Jerry Friedman >It is pronounced "add-a-ron-deck" or "add-oh-ron-deck" or even with >the "deck" as "dack". These are the pronunciations that the average >person in the US would apply to the chair style. The actual accepted >pronunciations of the area may be one thing, but none of the >pronunciations I've given would jar to the average American who does >not live in the area of the Adirondack. An American I knew who had actually been there pronounced it "addy-RON-dack". Before I met him I would have pronounced the "iron" by as I do the metal, non rhotically, as "ion". SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk > On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:19:43 -0500, tony cooper > <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > non > rhotically, as "ion". I'm an American who has been there and I say it and all I know say it 'adi ron dak' {short i likeas in it}be it the chair the mountains/park or baseball bat. >> It is pronounced "add-a-ron-deck" or "add-oh-ron-deck" or even with >> the "deck" as "dack". These are the pronunciations that the average [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Before I met him I would have pronounced the "iron" by as I do the > metal, non rhotically, as "ion". Now there's a question I hadn't considered before. How do rhotic speakers pronounce "iron"? If I am saying irony it has an 'r' in it but iron and ironing haven't. On Jan 11, 12:58 am, "Tasha Miller" <tashamill...@gEEEmail.com.invalid> wrote: > >> It is pronounced "add-a-ron-deck" or "add-oh-ron-deck" or even with > >> the "deck" as "dack". These are the pronunciations that the average [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > pronounce "iron"? If I am saying irony it has an 'r' in it but iron and > ironing haven't. Oh wow. I usually have no trouble imagining how non-rhotic speakers would pronounce things, but this boggles the mind. Does "iron" sound like "ion" or something different? All of the abovee have an audible r for me. Tasha Miller: > How do rhotic speakers pronounce "iron"? Like "I earn", but with the I accented. SignatureMark Brader, Toronto "Beware the Calends of April also." msb@vex.net -- Peter Neumann >>> We watched a mindless Australian programme earlier this evening >>> called "Auction Squad", where they "improve" houses to get a better [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >It is pronounced "add-a-ron-deck" or "add-oh-ron-deck" or even with >the "deck" as "dack". "Dack" is the only way I've heard it pronounced, and I must have heard it ten thousand times, at least. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland > We watched a mindless Australian programme earlier this evening > called "Auction Squad", where they "improve" houses to get a better [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > (I'm not ridiculing her at all here; just curious.) It's not a word many Australians would have encountered, and those who have would more likely have seen it written rather than heard it. I had never heard of the chairs until a few years ago in a.u.e., and this company selling them is only a decade old: http://www.adirondackchairs.com.au/ My guess would be something like ad-@-RON-dak. But trying to guess the stress patterns of foreign names is always a risky business. SignatureRegards John for mail: my initials plus a u e at tpg dot com dot au On 10 Jan 2009, John Holmes wrote >> We watched a mindless Australian programme earlier this evening >> called "Auction Squad", where they "improve" houses to get a [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > guess the stress patterns of foreign names is always a risky > business. It is indeed, which is why I didn't find her pronunciation ridiculous or unreasonable -- maybe a bit under-researched, but it was just a bit in a property-makeover programme. You and the others have answered my query though -- thanks -- that it's a fairly obscure word to have heard pronounced outside its home territory. (The chairs are sold here in the UK as well, and as has been posted by others, the pronunciation -- which you guessed correctly -- certainly isn't inevitable or obvious.) SignatureCheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed [AdiRONdack chairs abroad] > You and the others have answered my query though -- thanks -- that > it's a fairly obscure word to have heard pronounced outside its > home territory. (The chairs are sold here in the UK as well, and > as has been posted by others, the pronunciation -- which you > guessed correctly -- certainly isn't inevitable or obvious.) Indeed. Around here, for instance, we pronounce it "MusKOka". > [AdiRONdack chairs abroad] > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Indeed. Around here, for instance, we pronounce it "MusKOka". Excactly /what/ do you pronounce "MusKOka"? ("Mississauga" is the only place I can think of in Ontario, and that seems wrong.) SignatureMaria C. On 10 Jan 2009, Maria C. wrote >> [AdiRONdack chairs abroad] >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Excactly /what/ do you pronounce "MusKOka"? It's the Ontario name for the style of chair everyone else calls an "Adirondack chair". SignatureCheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed >> CDB wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > It's the Ontario name for the style of chair everyone else calls an > "Adirondack chair". Okay, but I wonder why. Wikipedia has provided an answer of sorts: The Canadian name "Muskoka chair" comes from the Muskoka cottage and outdoor recreation region in Ontario. Looking at a map, it seems not too far from Toronto, which is about 350 miles from me. It could be worth a little trip in the summer, eh? (Sorry about that.) SignatureMaria C. [Ah, the Muskokas] > It could be worth a little trip in the summer, eh? (Sorry about > that.) Sorry about what, eh? Harvey Van Sickle and Maria Conlon (copyedited) write: >>> Indeed. Around here, for instance, we pronounce it "MusKOka". >> Exactly /what/ do you pronounce "MusKOka"? > It's the Ontario name for the style of chair everyone else calls an > "Adirondack chair". Fascinating. I never heard that expression before. But then, I have only the vaguest idea of what sort of chair you're all talking about. SignatureMark Brader A real Canadian science-fiction plot would be Toronto about whether alien visitors were a federal or msb@vex.net a provincial responsibility. --Duncan Thornton > Harvey Van Sickle and Maria Conlon (copyedited) write: [>>> me too:] >>>> Indeed. Around here, for instance, we pronounce it "MusKOka". >>> Exactly /what/ do you pronounce "MusKOka"? >> It's the Ontario name for the style of chair everyone else calls an >> "Adirondack chair". > Fascinating. I never heard that expression before. But then, I > have only the vaguest idea of what sort of chair you're all talking > about. http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=%22muskoka+chair%22&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2 On 11 Jan 2009, CDB wrote >> Harvey Van Sickle and Maria Conlon (copyedited) write: > [>>> me too:] [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=%22muskoka+chair%22&btnG= > Search+Images&gbv=2 It's interesting to see that google image searches turn up designs which lack the usual fan-shaped back of an Adirondack/Muskoka chair. I know there are numerous designs for the thing, but to me that's one of the chair's defining features; doesn't look quite right without it. SignatureCheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed > On 11 Jan 2009, CDB wrote > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > of the chair's defining features; doesn't look quite right without > it. I'm not sure what you mean by "fan-shaped back." Can you point to a specific picture that has a fan, and another that doesn't? There are good pictures at: http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&newwindow=1&q=%22adirondack+ chair%22&btnG=Search+Images SignatureBest -- Donna Richoux On 11 Jan 2009, Donna Richoux wrote >> On 11 Jan 2009, CDB wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I'm not sure what you mean by "fan-shaped back." Can you point > to a specific picture that has a fan, and another that doesn't? Sure: on CDB's link, going horizontally, the 5th one (from www.coronadocorp.com) has a back which is the same width where it meets the seat and at the top; the next one (from www.muskokachairs.biz) has a back where the base at the chair seat is narrower, and the back splays out towards the top. > There are good pictures at: > http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&newwindow=1&q=%22adir > ondack+ chair%22&btnG=Search+Images On there, the 6th one (from www.poolfurniture-online.com) appears to have a straight back; most of the others are fan-shaped. (That one also lacks the "rolled" front of the seat, under your knees -- that's another feature that, for me, is a central feature of an Adirondack chair.) SignatureCheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed > On 11 Jan 2009, Donna Richoux wrote > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > knees -- that's another feature that, for me, is a central feature > of an Adirondack chair.) I think this is the first time I've heard of them, but I may have read the previous AUE thread and forgotten. By no means uncomfortable-looking, but as ugly as sin, in either form. SignatureMike. On 11 Jan 2009, Mike Lyle wrote -snip- >> (That one also lacks the "rolled" front of the seat, under your >> knees -- that's another feature that, for me, is a central [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > have read the previous AUE thread and forgotten. By no means > uncomfortable-looking, but as ugly as sin, in either form. No accounting for taste; they look simply great to me when they're placed on a wide porch or verandah[1]. (They are indeed comfortable, and very functional: the wide arms work beautifully as a g-and-t table.) [1] ObAUE. Take yer pick of what they're called; we've done that one a number of times, and I'm not re-starting it. SignatureCheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed > On 11 Jan 2009, Mike Lyle wrote > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > (They are indeed comfortable, and very functional: the wide arms > work beautifully as a g-and-t table.) Certainly comfortable enough for me to fall asleep in one. My b-i-l built one, but I'm sure it wasn't called that. Unfortunately, he died young, so now I'll never know. SignatureRob Bannister > On 11 Jan 2009, Donna Richoux wrote > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > www.muskokachairs.biz) has a back where the base at the chair seat > is narrower, and the back splays out towards the top. Okay, thanks. That's not one of the distinguishing characteristics for me that says "Adirondack chair." What matters to me are: (1) the distinctive slant-to-the-ground seat (2) wide flat arms, to put drinks on, and (3) bare wood slats. Do you think that pulling those back slats into a fan might give more comfort? I find some sites on the history of the Adirondack chair and the best clue I can find to its development is that it was first the "Westport chair": http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=%22westport%20chair%22&um=1&ie=U TF-8&sa=N&tab=wi SignatureBest -- Donna Richoux On 11 Jan 2009, Donna Richoux wrote >> On 11 Jan 2009, Donna Richoux wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Do you think that pulling those back slats into a fan might give > more comfort? I think so; or, at least, I think one probably feels more physically enveloped -- more cosy -- when a chair has seat that's slightly narrower than the top of the back. SignatureCheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed > My guess would be something like ad-@-RON-dak. But trying to guess the > stress patterns of foreign names is always a risky business. Give this man a cigar. It's a scenic region in "upstate" New York noted for forrests, low mountains and clean lakes. On Jan 10, 9:32 am, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > My guess would be something like ad-@-RON-dak. But trying to guess the > > stress patterns of foreign names is always a risky business. > > Give this man a cigar. > It's a scenic region in "upstate" New York noted for forrests, low mountains > and clean lakes. For Ray's idea of a "low mountain", which I agree with, the highest point in the Adirondacks and in New York is Mt. Marcy, 5344 feet (1629 meters). Speaking of which, I was driving to Southern Greater Laurel last week and noticed a sign for a "mountain" that was 985 feet (300 meters) above sea level. Sheesh. (I don't remember the name of the knoll in question, but it was in Maryland, probably on I-270. That is, I think the highway went over the top of it.) -- Jerry Friedman Jerry Friedman: > Speaking of which, I was driving to Southern Greater Laurel last week > and noticed a sign for a "mountain" that was 985 feet (300 meters) > above sea level. Sheesh. Paging Hugh Grant! Or better yet, paging Tara Fitzgerald! SignatureMark Brader "I can say nothing at this point." Toronto "Well, you were wrong." msb@vex.net -- Monty Python's Flying Circus Mark Brader filted: >Jerry Friedman: >> Speaking of which, I was driving to Southern Greater Laurel last week >> and noticed a sign for a "mountain" that was 985 feet (300 meters) >> above sea level. Sheesh. > >Paging Hugh Grant! Or better yet, paging Tara Fitzgerald! Mr Grant sends his apologies....r Signature"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" > On Jan 10, 9:32 am, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > question, but it was in Maryland, probably on I-270. That is, I think > the highway went over the top of it.) Relative, innit. And more about landform, climate, and veg than simple size. The mountains of England, Ireland, Wales, and Scotland are mere gooseflesh if considered on the world scale, but they kill at least their fair share of people. "O Caledonia, stairn and waild!" (BBC2's running a fine history of Scotland series at the moment--did the ghastly Alexander II, Wallace, et al last night.) SignatureMike. On Jan 11, 9:35 am, "Mike Lyle" <mike_lyle...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote: > jerry_fried...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On Jan 10, 9:32 am, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> > > wrote: [Adirondacks] > >> It's a scenic region in "upstate" New York noted for forrests, low > >> mountains and clean lakes. > > > For Ray's idea of a "low mountain", which I agree with, the highest > > point in the Adirondacks and in New York is Mt. Marcy, 5344 feet (1629 > > meters). ... > Relative, innit. And more about landform, climate, and veg than simple > size. Well, it depends on what you're talking about. Deep blue sky and harsh light do depend on simple size, as does oxygen. This means you're going to get another poem. No Air My first hike to a mountaintop I saw a dipper, a columbine, I saw that nothing dims the joy outlined by peaks below you, and thought giddily, "It's from doing what I didn't know I could." Now driving over Poncho Creek Pass, again I'm breathing air whose zero fragrance is compared to wine, and I rejoice again for nothing, I see it's from hypoxia, I laugh. The summit of Mt. Marcy is a few hundred feet above the timberline, according to Wikipedia, so climatically and veg-ly it is indeed a great deal like the highest points here in New Mexico, almost 8,000 feet higher and maybe 1500 feet above the timberline. But the difference between my house and the highest peak I can see is maybe 2000 feet more than the difference between Mt. Marcy and sea level, with a corresponding difference in climate and vegetation. And Peru and Tibet have /real/ mountains. > The mountains of England, Ireland, Wales, and Scotland are mere > gooseflesh if considered on the world scale, It is said that the world is more nearly spherical than a billiard ball. > but they kill at least their fair share of people. Fog, right? The coldest summers I've ever spent involved getting hailed on in the Sangre de Cristo mountains last August and the one before. Danger is still another thing, and has more to do with cliffs than anything else, I imagine. And deliberate risks, such as climbing in winter, doing technical climbs to walk-up summits, and the like. (My hail incidents weren't entirely risk-free.) > "O Caledonia, stairn and waild!" ... There are no wolves here any more either, unfortunately. There are at least gentians. Why "Mo" Mary, anyway? -- Jerry Friedman On Jan 11, 3:39 am, "jerry_fried...@yahoo.com" <jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jan 10, 9:32 am, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > point in the Adirondacks and in New York is Mt. Marcy, 5344 feet (1629 > meters). The Adirondacks have mountains high enough to have hosted the winter Olympics (twice, I believe), which is high enough for me. The one time I skiied *past* (not *down*) an Olympic trail it didn't look like a trail at all to me: just like a vertical drop. The second time the Olympics were in Lake Placid I was only a relatively short drive away but was so oppressed by my studies that I thought I shouldn't go. Still, our university ice hockey team played an excellent exhibition game agains the (then) West German team and IIRC actually injured their goalie. cheers, Stephanie in Brussels now, not a short drive at all from Lake Placid PS -- have sat on the afore-mentioned up-thread chairs. Darned uncomfortable no matter how you pronounce the things! >The second time the Olympics were in Lake Placid I was only a >relatively short drive away but was so oppressed by my studies that I >thought I shouldn't go. Still, our university ice hockey team played >an excellent exhibition game agains the (then) West German team and >IIRC actually injured their goalie. Which university was that? I was but a small child in 1980, but I did grow up in northern Vermont and can vaguely recall watching the closing ceremonies on my father's tiny little five-inch black-and-white TV.[1] -GAWollman [1] STS alert (from a few years later): So I talked to you for an hour In the bar of a small-town hotel, And ya asked me what I was thinkin'. I was thinkin' of a padded cell With a black-and-white TV, To stop us from gettin' lonely. SignatureGarrett A. Wollman | The real tragedy of human existence is not that we are wollman@csail.mit.edu| nasty by nature, but that a cruel structural asymmetry Opinions not those | grants to rare events of meanness such power to shape of MIT or CSAIL. | our history. - S.J. Gould, Ten Thousand Acts of Kindness On Jan 11, 3:39 am, "jerry_fried...@yahoo.com" <jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jan 10, 9:32 am, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > point in the Adirondacks and in New York is Mt. Marcy, 5344 feet (1629 > meters). The Adirondacks have mountains high enough to have hosted the winter Olympics (twice, I believe), which is high enough for me. The one time I skiied *past* (not *down*) an Olympic trail it didn't look like a trail at all to me: just like a vertical drop. ====================================================================================== a mountain need not be very high to have a ski slope. [Adirondacks] > a mountain need not be very high to have a ski slope. Nor to have high local esteem. The Gatineau Hills north of Ottawa have both, and, after my Chinese teacher disparaged them one day, in contrast to the mountains of China, I made a practice of mentioning the beauties of the Gaotianaoshan (the High-heaven-lofty Mountains) whenever I could work them into the conversation. He said it was bad Chinese, but I didn't care. My Chinese was always bad. >> My guess would be something like ad-@-RON-dak. But trying to guess the >> stress patterns of foreign names is always a risky business. > > Give this man a cigar. > It's a scenic region in "upstate" New York noted for forrests, low mountains > and clean lakes. Interesting typo. Usually, it's only West Australian kids who consistently write "forest" with two Rs because of an early State Premier after whom many places are named. SignatureRob Bannister >>> My guess would be something like ad-@-RON-dak. But trying to guess the >>> stress patterns of foreign names is always a risky business. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >consistently write "forest" with two Rs because of an early State >Premier after whom many places are named. Probably due to the influence of someone else. Ray's a Civil War buff, and Gen Nathan Bedford Forrest was a Confederate calvary officer who was known for his quick raids and hit-and-run tactics. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>>> My guess would be something like ad-@-RON-dak. But trying to guess >>>> the stress patterns of foreign names is always a risky business. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > buff, and Gen Nathan Bedford Forrest was a Confederate calvary officer > who was known for his quick raids and hit-and-run tactics. Being a Confederate officer caused him to experience intense mental suffering, eh? SignatureSkitt I may not understand what you say, but I'll defend to your death my right to deny it. --Albert Alligator >>>>> My guess would be something like ad-@-RON-dak. But trying to guess >>>>> the stress patterns of foreign names is always a risky business. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Being a Confederate officer caused him to experience intense mental >suffering, eh? I guess I should cross-check my spelling. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>> Probably due to the influence of someone else. Ray's a Civil War >>> buff, and Gen Nathan Bedford Forrest was a Confederate calvary [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I guess I should cross-check my spelling. I'm not accusing you of that, but those who spell the word that way also say it that way. SignatureSkitt (AmE) Riding off into the sunset ... >>>>>> My guess would be something like ad-@-RON-dak. But trying to guess >>>>>> the stress patterns of foreign names is always a risky business. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > I guess I should cross-check my spelling. Your spelling is fine. N.B.Forrest a pre-war slave trader was also the first leader of the KKK post-war. >>>>>>> My guess would be something like ad-@-RON-dak. But trying to guess >>>>>>> the stress patterns of foreign names is always a risky business. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >N.B.Forrest a pre-war slave trader was also the first leader of the KKK >post-war. I misspelled "cavalry", not "forrest". SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >> "Skitt" wrote: >>>>>>> My guess would be something like ad-@-RON-dak. But trying to >>>>>>> guess the stress patterns of foreign names is always a risky [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > N.B.Forrest a pre-war slave trader was also the first leader of the > KKK post-war. There's been a whoosh, and you didn't even flinch. It's Tony's "calvary" vs. "cavalry" thing I was alluding to. calvary = an experience of usually intense mental suffering Ref.: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/calvary SignatureSkitt (AmE) >>> "Skitt" wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >calvary = an experience of usually intense mental suffering >Ref.: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/calvary I tried to hint at that with "cross-check". I couldn't find a way to sneak "Golgotha" into a hint. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida Robert Bannister filted: >> It's a scenic region in "upstate" New York noted for forrests, low mountains >> and clean lakes. > >Interesting typo. Usually, it's only West Australian kids who >consistently write "forest" with two Rs because of an early State >Premier after whom many places are named. I had a granduncle named Forrest because his parents were visiting northern California when he was born...does that make him a northern-California data point or a Texas-panhandle data point?...r Signature"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" > We watched a mindless Australian programme earlier this evening > called "Auction Squad", where they "improve" houses to get a better [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > (I'm not ridiculing her at all here; just curious.) I don't know how much better TV presenters are in other countries, but I can affirm that Aussie ones stress words totally at random even when they are not obscure foreign words. SignatureRob Bannister |
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