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elanders - 09 Jan 2009 22:51 GMT I Wrote this four years ago and never did anything with it. It starts out slow then builds steam.
The Cabinet Meeting
CONDI:
Good morning, Mr. President. I was told you wanted to see me.
GEORGE:
Good morning, Condi. Come in, please.
CONDI:
If it’s about my meeting with Putin and Tony Blair, here’s the report. I just finished it.
GEORGE:
Terrific! Can’t wait to dig into it ... eh, but, there was something else I wanted to talk to you about Condi.
CONDI:
Yes, Mr. President?
GEORGE:
Right ... eh ... well, Condi, I guess I should get right down to it. You see, it’s about your, ahem... well, it’s about your ... your hairdo, you see.
CONDI:
I beg your pardon?
GEORGE:
Well, I’d like you to change it if you don’t mind -- not that there’s anything wrong with it, mind you, but you see, Condi --
CONDI:
Tell me you’re kidding.
GEORGE:
Don’t get me wrong, Condi, I never noticed it before -- eh, no, that’s not what I mean. I mean, I noticed it before and it was just fine with me, but you see, our well ... our dismal showing with young black voters made us wonder whether ... ahem, well, whether a younger look might be a bit more helpful at this point in time.
CONDI:
You’re not kidding?
GEORGE:
So the comment was made that we should ask you if you would consider something different, say, maybe something like that new look. Eh, you know like the one they call, eh, "dread."
CONDI:
Dread...?
GEORGE:
Locks ...
CONDI:
Mr. President, if you’re quite through here, I’ve got a ton of work on my desk that I really ought to get to before your flight to London.
GEORGE:
Right. Sure thing. Sorry to hold you up. Thanks again for the report.
CONDI:
Right ... eh, and one thing before I go, Mr. President.
GEORGE:
Yes, Condi, what’s that?
CONDI:
I’m going to pretend this dread conversation never took place.
GEORGE:
What dread conversation, Madame Secretary of State?
CONDI:
Thank you, Mr. President.
(Condi turns and walks out office)
Next Day in Cabinet Conference Room...
CONDI:
Hello, everyone. As you know, I’ll be chairing this Cabinet meeting while the President is in Europe. Ok, we’ve got a full plate, so I’ll present the items on the agenda in order of importance. Item one is you, Secretary of Interior Gail Norton -- I understand you’re the one who told the president I should get dread locks.
GAIL NORTON: (Secretary of Interior)
I beg your pardon?
CONDI:
Don’t deny it. But what I want to know is why weren’t you woman enough to tell me to my face instead of going behind my back?
GAIL:
I-I...
CONDI:
I’d also like to know what you think you know about black hair. Why, I bet you don’t even know what a hot comb is.
GAIL:
Is this really happening...?
CHENEY:
Now, Condi, like I told you -- nomy spies are not 100% sure it was her who told the President.
CONDI:
Hold it, Dick. I want her to answer my question.
GAIL :
Well, of course, I know what a hot comb is. It’s a heated, iron comb black women use to straighten their kinky hair so they'll look more white.
CONDI:
Good, good. Insults are good, Gail, but now let me ask you this -- have you ever been beat in the face with a hot comb?
GONZALEZ:
Now, hold it right there, Condi. As Attorney General and top law enforcement officer of the land, I can’t sit here and allow you to threaten a member of the President’s cabinet with a hot comb.
CONDI:
That wasn’t a threat; it was a promise.
CHENEY:
Gonzales has a point, Condi. Maybe you and the Secretary of Interior should settle it in the ladies room.
GAIL:
Isn't somebody going to do something? She said she was going to beat me in the face with a hot comb.
CONDI:
No, I asked you if you’ve ever been beat in the face with a hot comb.
RUMSFELD:
One point of order, Condi -- if the hot comb is hot, won't it burn her face?
GONZALEZ:
If it did, that would make it a Class-A violent felony punishable by up to 20 years in jail.
CONDI:
The satisfaction would be worth it. I’d do my 20 years and still be a young woman when I got out.
ELAINE CHAO:
Not that young.
CONDI:
Who the hell are you?
CHAO:
I'm Elaine Chao, Secretary of Labor.
CONDI:
Since when?
CHAO:
Since the 2000 Election -- Geezuz.
CONDI:
Is that true, Cheney?
CHENEY:
I’ve never seen this woman before in my life, Condi.
MINETTA:(Secretary of Transportation)
Wait a minute! Wait a minute! Of course she’s the Secretary of Labor -- how do you think she got into this meeting?
CONDI:
Who are you?
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CONDI
Order! Order! If everyone would calm down, please.
(Knock on door)
CONDI
Who is it?
RUMSFELD
It’s me -- Rumsfeld.
CONDI
Yes -- what do you want?
RUMSFELD
You sent me out for lunch, remember?
CONDI
Oh, yeah. Come in.
RUMSFELD
Thanks. Ok, everybody, good news, bad news. I lost the lunch list, so I had to take a guess at what each of you wanted.
CONDI
Rumsfeld, we don’t have time for this. Just pass out the food, please.
RUMSFELD
Sure thing. Ok, let’s see -- beans and rice and a bottle that's for you, Secretary Gutierrez. Weight Watchers salad with a Tab? that would be you, Secretary Spelling -- zap that cellulite right out of the ball park, huh? Now, let me see here ... eh, Sushi with a bottle of Sake -- that, of course, I picked for you Secretary Minetta. Which brings us to you, Secretary Chao -- picked you something I know you’re gonna love: a serving of Chop Suey and chop sticks. Hmm, can’t you smell it?
Now let me see here... oh, yeah, Cheney, didn’t forget you, old pal. How’s about two Hostess Twinkies and a nice glass of Milk of Magnesia? Yummy, yummy -- go to it, man! Hmmm, let’s see, here. Oh, right, didn’t forget you either Gonzales. How’s about a nice spicy bean buritto with some kick a.s Tequila to wash it all down? Here, pass it over to him, will you, Condi?
Which brings us to you, Condi, and Secretary of HUD, Alphonso Jackson. No, I didn’t forget you two guys. How’s about a bucket of fried chicken, two ice cold 40’s and two great big slices of watermelon?
Now, let’s see, one more left, who did I forget? Let’s open it and see -- what? a bagel and lox with a side of Matzah balls soup. Now who would that be? Secretary Chertoff! Who else! Pass it over to the big fella, guys, will you?
Well, alright! Everybody happy? Well, dig in and Bon Aperitif!... (No one is moving.)
... I said dig in, you can eat now ... don’t worry about me, I’ve already ate ...
... hey, why is everybody staring at me like that ...?
... what I do this time ...?
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RUMSFELD
Look, everybody, I’m sorry.
CONDI Fine. Thank you very much, apology accepted. Now, if you don’t mind, we have work to do.
RUMSFELD
Honestly, If you like I’ll go back out and get everybody pizza.
CONDI
Rumsfeld...
RUMSFELD
Yes, Condi.
CONDI
Leave, now.
RUMSFELD
Yes, Ma'am. (Rumsfeld walks out of room)
MINETTA
Geezuz, how long is the president going to carry that guy?
CHAO
Wasn’t he supposed to be sh.t-canned with Ashcroft?
CHENEY
Can’t fire him; he’s Civil Service.
MINETTA
If the man had any integrity, he’d have resigned. You know, my parents are Japanese and in Japan the way they let an old guy know he’s over-stayed his welcome is by putting a gun on his desk.
CHAO
Why do they do that?
MINETTA
To let him know he'd be doing the world a favor if he used it ... on himself.
GONZALES
Can’t do that here. That’s a Class A-Felony, punishable by 20 years in prison.
MARGARET SPELLING (Secretary of Education):
Hey, we got all this food here -- what are we going to do with it?
CONDI
I’m sorry, but if you think I’m going to eat fried chicken and watermelon, think again.
GONZALES:
And my constituents would kill me if word got out I was eating burritos in the White House.
CHAO
You should talk. I almost threw this nasty Chop Suey right back in his face.
GUTIERREZ:
Hey, I love Chop Suey -- want to swap for my rice and beans?
CHAO
I love rice and beans!
CONDI
Swap you my fried chicken and watermelon for that burrito, Gonzales.
GONZALES
You’re on!
CHENEY:
Hey! Who wants to swap my Hostess Twinkies and Milk of Magnesia for their lunch?
SPELLING:
I will! I love Milk of Magnesia -- pass it over, kiddo!
MINETTA:
This is great. So much love here. So who wants to swap for my sushi?
CHERTOFF:
I will!
MINETTA
Eh, no, that’s alright.
CHERTOFF
Hey, you got a problem with Matzahballs soup or something?
CONDI
Alright, boys, there’ll be none of that -- Minetta, swap him your sushi.
MINETTA
Why me?
CONDI
Why not you?
CHERTOFF
Don’t make him eat it if he doesn’t want to.
CONDI
Oh, he’s going to eat it, and like it too.
MINETTA
I’ll eat it, but you can’t make me like it.
(Knock on door)
CONDI
Oh, geezus. Who is it?
RUMSFELD
It’s me, Rumsfeld.
MINETTA
Oh, Geezuz. Will he never go away?
CONDI
Rumsfeld, I don’t have time for this. What do you want?
RUMSFELD
It’s important -- a life or death matter, Condi.
CONDI
Who’s life -- mine or yours?
RUMSFELD
Mine.
CONDI
I thought you said it was important?
RUMSFELD
If you just let me explain, Condi.
CONDI
Ok, come in -- but it better be good.
(Rumsfeld opens the door and walks in)
CHAO
Look! He’s got a gun!
GONZALEZ:
Put the gun down, Rumsfeld, step away from the table and put your hands in the air.
RUMSFELD
Say, what? No! Surely you jest? You don’t think that I was going to--
GAIL
Omigod! Omigod! He’s going to kill us! He’s going to kill us! Why, me, God? Why me?
CONDI
Gail
GAIL
Yes?
CONDI
Shut up.
GAIL
Well, I never --
GONZALEZ
Put the gun down, Rumsfeld. Step away from the table and put your hands in the air.
CONDI
Gonzalez.
GONZALEZ
Yes?
CONDI
Not now.
GONZALEZ
No?
RUMSFELD
I tell you, you people have it all wrong. I--
CONDI
Rumsfeld, let me have it.
RUMSFELD
No, I can’t.
CONDI
This is a direct order, Rumsfeld -- let me have it.
RUMSFELD
But are you sure?
CONDI
Trust me. Now let me have it.
RUMSFELD
Alright ... if you say so -- where do you want it -- in the belly or the head?
CONDI
(Jumps up and starts running around room)
Omigod! Omigod! He’s going to kill me! He’s going to kill me! Why me God? Why me?!
RUMSFELD (starts chasing Condi)
No, no, no -- Come back, Condi! Come back! You told me it was a direct order. I had no intention of shooting you before then.
CONDI (stops running)
You didn't?
GUTERREZ;
Hey, what’s the idea of walking in with a gun scaring everybody in the first place?
RUMSFELD
You were really scared? Really?
GONZALEZ
Put the weapon down, Rumsfeld, back away from the table and put your hands in the air.
CHAO
Yeah, what’s the idea of walking in here with a loaded gun like that?
RUMSFELD
Is it loaded?
GONZALEZ
Let me see it.
(Gonzales, takes gun from Rumsfeld, flips open chamber counts bullets than hands it back to Rumsfeld.)
GONZALEZ
Yep, it’s loaded alright.
RUMSFELD
Thank you.
GONZALEZ
Da Nada.
CONDI
Ok, ok, hold it right there. Now what do you mean by walking in here with a loaded gun, Rumsfeld -- and I want an answer right freakin' now.
RUMSFELD
I found it.
CHERTOFF
Yeah? Where? in your Christmas stocking?
RUMSFELD
You killed Jesus -- what do you know from Christmas stockings?
CHERTOFF
Oh, so now a bigot with a gun. What next? You start shoot the blacks first, the Hispanics second, the Asians third, the gentiles fourth, and the Jews last, huh?
CONDI
Shut up, Chertoff. Alright, Rumsfeld, suppose you tell us why you walked in here with that heater.
RUMSFELD
Heater? What heater? I didn't walk in here with a heater. Why would I need a heater in the middle of August, uh, er -- oh, you mean this gun? Oh, well, like I said I found it.
CONDI
Yeah, we heard that already -- where?
RUMSFELD
On my desk.
(all heads turn to Minetta)
MINETTA
Hey! Why’s everybody looking at me?
CONDI
Weren’t you the one who said it was a Japanese custom to leave a gun on the desk of someone you wanted to get rid of?
MINETTA:
Yeah, but that don’t mean I left that gun on the left side of Rumsfeld’s desk near his red phone.
RUMSFELD
You mean you people were trying to get rid of me?
CONDI
Not now, Rumsfeld.
RUMSFELD
No, maybe now is would be the best to find who's been doing me dirty behind my back.
GONZALEZ
Don’t do it, Rumsfeld. Put the gun down, step away from the desk with your hands in the air.
MINETTA:
I mean, Gutierrez ate my sushi, right?
CONDI
So?
MINETTA
And sushi’s Japanese, right?
CONDI
And ...?
MINETTA
Well, there you have it.
GUTIERREZ
There she has what?
MINETTA
Simple: you like Japanese food; ergo, you must like Japanese customs too -- including putting a gun on someone’s desk you want to get rid of.
RUMSFELD
I should have figured it was you all along, Gutierrez. Get up.
GUTIERREZ
Now wait a minute, Rumsfeld. I hate guns, honest. Especially a scaled down GP100, Ruger’s GP100, full sized .357 five shot capacity Magnum service revolver like the one you’re holding. I hate ‘em I tell you.
RUMSFELD
Yeah, well you’re really gonna hate this one.
GONZALEZ
Put the gun down, Rumsfeld and step away from the table with your hands in the air.
JACKSON:
Can somebody pass me the salt, please.
RUMSFELD
Hey, C’mon, geezuz. You people don’t really think I was going to shoot anybody, do you? I was just bringing the gun here to give to Gonzalez.
GONZALEZ
Give it to me??? Why me, Rumsfeld? What have I ever done to you? If you’re going to give it to somebody, why don’t you give it somebody like Condi? she’s the one who’s always treating you like crap.
CONDI
Give me that gun for a minute, Rumsfeld.
RUMSFELD
Sure, where do you want it?
CONDI
Gimmee that thing (snatches out of Rumsfeld’s hand)
RUMSFELD
Hey, careful. That thing is loaded.
CONDI
Now, come here, Gonzalez.
GONZALEZ
Put the weapon down, Condi. Stand away from the table with your hands above your head.
CONDI
Grab him, Chertoff!
CHERTOFF:
Ok -- whoops! he went between my legs. Come back here little fella!
GONZALEZ
I’m going to tell Bush about this!
CONDI
That’s it -- everybody freeze!
GAIL
Oh, she’s going to kills us! She’s going to kill us all!
CONDI
I said Freeze!
RUMSFELD
Does that include me too?
CONDI
I said Freeze!
JACKSON:
Can I finish my chicken first?
CONDI
Negro, I said Freeze!
CHAO
Don’t worry, Gonzalez. She doesn’t have the nerve to shoot you.
CONDI
Oh, don’t, do I?
CHAO
Nah, you’re just bluffing.
CONDI
Am I?
GONZALEZ
Hey, wait a minute. Maybe she’s not bluffing.
CHAO
Don’t worry, Gonzalez. Even if she did have the nerve to shoot you, with all these witnesses here, she’d never get away with it.
GONZALEZ
Yeah, but I’d be dead.
CHAO
Yeah, but think of the satisfaction you’d get when they send her to the electric chair.
GONZALEZ:
Oh, yeah, I hadn’t thought about that.
JACKSON:
Why can’t we all get along?
MARGARET SPELLING (Secretary of Education):
Wait a minute! Wait a minute! I confess! I confess! I’m the one who put the gun on Rumsfeld's desk.
RUMSFELD:
Et tu, Spelling?
SPELLING
But not for the reasons you think. You see, Rumsfeld and I are lovers.
RUMSFELD
We are?
SPELLING
And you see, I did it because my astrologer prophecized it.
CONDI
You have an astrologer?
SPELLING
Doesn’t everyone? Well, according to my astrologer, someone was going to try and get Rumsfeld to commit suicide by putting a gun on his desk. So I thought that if I took the bullets out first and put the gun on his desk I would be fulfilling the prophecy without putting my lover in danger.
CHERTOFF
Yeah, well one thing: you forgot to take the bullets out.
SPELLINGS
Ooops.
CHERTOFF
Hey, with a memory like that, what are you doing at this cabinet meeting anyway?
SPELLING
Why, I’m Margaret Spellings, the Secretary of Education, of course.
CHERTOFF
Secretary of Education? No wonder why Johnny can’t read.
RUMSFELD
Hey, mister, you don’t talk to her like that.
CHERTOFF
Yeah, and who are you?
RUMSFELD
Who am I? You don’t even know who the Secretary of Defense is? What kind of memory is that?
CHERTOFF
Memory? I’ve got a perfect memory -- a photographic, memory in fact, so don’t even try it.
RUMSFELD
Then surely you’ve heard of Daniel Rumsfeld?
CHERTOFF
Wait a minute ... wait a minute, the name is coming to me -- it’s on the tip of my tongue.
CHAO
You know, people, this is all getting pretty ridiculous. Honestly, I think I’ll just leave this nuthouse.
SPELLING
Wait a minute, Elaine, I’ll go with you. And just so all of you will know, I’ll be telling Bush all about what happened today when he gets home.
GUTIERREZ
Wait a minute ladies, I’ll be going with you. And you know these the Senoritas have a point.
CHAO
Who are you calling a “senorita”?
GUTIERREZ
You, of course, mi amor. In my country “senorita” is--
CHAO
Wait a minute -- do you hear chickens in the background?
GUTIERREZ
No.
CHAO
Do you see boys running through the street with no shirts on?
GUTIERREZ
No.
CHAO
Do you see cars with toy dogs in the rear whose heads go up and down like this?
GUTIERREZ
No, but --
CHAO
Then guess what that means?
GUTIERREZ
That I’m not in Kansas anymore?
CHERTOFF:
Well, there you have it, Ladies and Gentlemen --- and why the president ever made him secretary of Homeland security is one for the books.
GUTIERREZ
I’m not the secretary of Homeland Security.
CHERTOFF?
Oh, you aren’t? Well, if you aren’t, who is -- tell me that?
GUTIERREZ
You are, you fool.
CHERTOFF:
Hahaha! Did you hear that, Cheney? Did you hear what the man said? He said ... he said... wait a minute, what did he say? ... it’ll come to me in a minute -- I
RUMSFELD:
My God, man. Bush appoints you to one of the most important positions in his cabinet and you don’t even remember it?
CHERTOFF
Remember what?
MINETTA
Geezuz. It’s like 9-11 all over again.
CHERTOFF
9-11? What’s that?
CONDI
Stop it! Stop it! Stop! So the man is a little absent-minded, that’s no reason to taunt and belittle him.
CHERTOFF
They’re swine, Condi -- swine!
RUMSFELD
Hey, wait a minute, I don’t have to take that from you.
CHERTOFF
Take what from me?
CONDI
Stop it! Stop it, I say.
CHERTOFF
Stop what?
RUMSFELD
This is turning into the theater of the absurd. I’m leaving.
GONZALEZ
Put the gun down, Rumsfeld. Step away from the table, and put your hands over your head.
CONDI
You say that one more time Gonzalez, and you won’t have to worry about Rumsfeld shooting anybody, because I'll take that gun and empty every bullet in it in you.
GONZALEZ
Put the gun down, Rumsfeld. Step away from the table, and you your hands over your head.
CONDI (starts sobbing)
All I wanted... ahahaahaha ... All I wanted was to run one meeting -- one meeting where we could get something done, ahhhhahahahahaha......
SPELLING
Well, I’m going to tell Bush all about it when he gets back, that’s for sure.
CHERTOFF
Say, who is this fellow named Bush everyone keeps mentioning?
NEXT DAY: OVAL OFFICE
GEORGE
Well, Condi, how did the meeting go?
CONDI
It was real.
GEORGE
A “real” what?
CONDI
No, no, you don’t understand, Mr. President. When a black person says it was ‘real’ she means it was ‘live.”
GEORGE
Live?
CONDI
Yes.
GEORGE
As opposed to dead ?
CONDI
No, no, not that live. We say something was ‘live’ when we mean it was ‘raw.”
GEORGE
Raw?
CONDI
Yes, raw.
GEORGE
As in something uncooked?
CONDI
No, no, Mr. President, not that raw. When we say something was ‘raw’ we mean it was ‘live.”
GEORGE
There's that word ‘live’ again.
CONDI
Yes, cool, isn't, Mr. President.
GEORGE
Yeah, and I think I got you. It’s all good, right?
CONDI
It’s all good?
GEORGE
Yes, it’s all good.
CONDI
Mr. President, far be it for me to correct your English grammar, but inasmuch as you’re referring to a group, it is not necessary to add “all.” 'It' is good suffices.
GEORGE
It’s all good.
CONDI
I see.
GEORGE
You dig?
CONDI
Yes, Mr. President
Don Phillipson - 10 Jan 2009 01:26 GMT > I Wrote this four years ago and never did anything with it. It starts > out slow then builds steam. > > The Cabinet Meeting To find out whether Americans think it funny, you could offer it for sale to SNL or other comedy performers. Non-Americans may be mystified by the idea of a president's Special Adviser (i.e. not a minister or Cabinet member) presiding over a Cabinet meeting. (Perhaps this is the way US cabinets work: I simply do not know.)
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Default User - 10 Jan 2009 01:35 GMT > > I Wrote this four years ago and never did anything with it. It > > starts out slow then builds steam. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > To find out whether Americans think it funny, you could offer > it for sale to SNL or other comedy performers. They wouldn't even look at an unsolicited manuscript. They have writers, and would not consider outside material. That is to prevent charges of plagarism when a sketch they come up with is "too close" to one that was sent in but rejected.
Brian
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elanders - 10 Jan 2009 01:47 GMT >>> I Wrote this four years ago and never did anything with it. It >>> starts out slow then builds steam. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Brian This is true.
Gone are the days where a guy like Woody Allen or Dick Cavett could walk into the studio and hand Jack Parr a list of jokes.
Today's television writers guard their jobs like Doberman's guard their dinner bowls. They've got mortgages and BMWs and the last thing they want is some freelancer taking their job away from them.
EG
R H Draney - 10 Jan 2009 02:10 GMT Default User filted:
>> > I Wrote this four years ago and never did anything with it. It >> > starts out slow then builds steam. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >charges of plagarism when a sketch they come up with is "too close" to >one that was sent in but rejected. Get yourself some bad actors to perform it, and put the result on YouTube...if it's funny, you could "go viral"....r
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elanders - 10 Jan 2009 02:23 GMT > Default User filted: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Get yourself some bad actors to perform it, and put the result on YouTube...if > it's funny, you could "go viral"....r Yeah, that would be the way to do it these days.
EG
Default User - 10 Jan 2009 07:11 GMT > Default User filted: > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Get yourself some bad actors to perform it, and put the result on > YouTube...if it's funny, you could "go viral"....r Earn a million Theoretical Dollars!
Brian
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elanders - 10 Jan 2009 01:42 GMT >> I Wrote this four years ago and never did anything with it. It starts >> out slow then builds steam. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Cabinet meeting. (Perhaps this is the way US cabinets work: > I simply do not know.) Are you serious?
The humor has nothing to do with whether the special adviser can preside over a Cabinet meeting or not. That questions doesn't enter the equation at all.
It's totally irrelevant.
EG
Also, Condi is a Cabinet member
CDB - 10 Jan 2009 13:41 GMT > I Wrote this four years ago and never did anything with it. It > starts out slow then builds steam.
> The Cabinet Meeting [many bites]
Before I dive in: funny, ha-ha, or funny, peculiar?
elanders - 10 Jan 2009 15:08 GMT >> I Wrote this four years ago and never did anything with it. It >> starts out slow then builds steam. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Before I dive in: funny, ha-ha, or funny, peculiar? Gut-busting, rolling on the ground, bodice-ripping funny.
Does that help?
EG
CDB - 10 Jan 2009 15:47 GMT >>> I Wrote this four years ago and never did anything with it. It >>> starts out slow then builds steam.
>>> The Cabinet Meeting
>> [many bites]
>> Before I dive in: funny, ha-ha, or funny, peculiar?
> Gut-busting, rolling on the ground, bodice-ripping funny.
> Does that help? Yes, thank you.
No.
elanders - 10 Jan 2009 15:57 GMT >>>> I Wrote this four years ago and never did anything with it. It >>>> starts out slow then builds steam. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > No. How would you possibly know?
What? No sound of someone in the background hitting two pieces of wood together to imitate a galloping horse?
EG
tony cooper - 10 Jan 2009 16:54 GMT >>> Gut-busting, rolling on the ground, bodice-ripping funny. "Bodice-ripping funny"? Bodice ripping is associated with steamy novels of a certain type. There is no association of humor with bodice-ripping. In fact, the bodice-rippers are generally quite without humor.
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elanders - 10 Jan 2009 18:58 GMT >>>> Gut-busting, rolling on the ground, bodice-ripping funny. > > "Bodice-ripping funny"? Bodice ripping is associated with steamy > novels of a certain type. There is no association of humor with > bodice-ripping. In fact, the bodice-rippers are generally quite > without humor. Geezuz ...
And Tony is your fault.
He's here because you've allowed him to think he'll one day have something to say worth hearing.
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Robert Lieblich - 10 Jan 2009 20:25 GMT > >>>> Gut-busting, rolling on the ground, bodice-ripping funny. > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > He's here because you've allowed him to think he'll one day have > something to say worth hearing. We can't stop him, any more than we can stop you.
NB: When Tony's right, he's right. And this time he's right.
And if you thought that including "bodice-ripping" in your list of adjectives was a humorous juxtaposition, you were wrong.
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elanders - 10 Jan 2009 22:55 GMT >>>>>> Gut-busting, rolling on the ground, bodice-ripping funny. >>> "Bodice-ripping funny"? Bodice ripping is associated with steamy [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > And if you thought that including "bodice-ripping" in your list of > adjectives was a humorous juxtaposition, you were wrong. My, gawd, you're anal-retentive.
What is it what you, Bob?
Tony's error is thinking I was in error because I used bodice-ripping in a way other than its classical use.
But that's what creativity is all about -- don't you get it?
I was going for the image-- not the classical use of the word.
I was having fun.
It occurred to me if a woman laughed very hard she'd rip her bodice. Your and Tony's point is that the term is associated with a certain genre of romance, ergo, I can't do that.
Well, that's as dumb and anal-retentive as it gets, Bob.
Again, are you published ...?
I can't imagine you are.
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Tasha Miller - 11 Jan 2009 00:04 GMT >>>>>>> Gut-busting, rolling on the ground, bodice-ripping funny. >>>> "Bodice-ripping funny"? Bodice ripping is associated with steamy [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > It occurred to me if a woman laughed very hard she'd rip her bodice. No, no! She'd burst her stays laughing before her bodice ripped. Bodice ripping is done by men, not women. I really think you need to do more reading in the genre. Let's see, Sergeanne Golon, maybe, and Juliette Benzoni. And let's not forget Kathleen Winsor.
> Your and Tony's point is that the term is associated with a certain > genre of romance, ergo, I can't do that. If you are writing a pot-boiler then, yes, you do have to stick to the rules of whatever genre you are working within. Your readers will expect that and they won't like the dissonances peppered through almost every paragraph so far.
elanders - 11 Jan 2009 01:03 GMT >>>>>>>> Gut-busting, rolling on the ground, bodice-ripping funny. >>>>> "Bodice-ripping funny"? Bodice ripping is associated with steamy [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > reading in the genre. Let's see, Sergeanne Golon, maybe, and Juliette > Benzoni. And let's not forget Kathleen Winsor. Lady, what are you talking about? In both instances it's a figure of speech. If I can say 'gut-busting" funny why can't I say "bodice-ripping" funny?
You're not a writer either. Are you another crossword player?
I make a great metaphor and you attack it because it belongs in a different genre.
Why can't you grasp how boring that is?
You crossword puzzle people are wasting my time with your silliness.
>> Your and Tony's point is that the term is associated with a certain >> genre of romance, ergo, I can't do that. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that and they won't like the dissonances peppered through almost every > paragraph so far. Oh, Gawd!
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tony cooper - 11 Jan 2009 01:17 GMT >>>>>>>> Gut-busting, rolling on the ground, bodice-ripping funny. >>>>> "Bodice-ripping funny"? Bodice ripping is associated with steamy [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >they won't like the dissonances peppered through almost every paragraph so >far. He posted what he said was a bodice-ripping chapter. Not having read a bodice-ripper since "Forever Amber" when I was a teenager, it's my impression that bodice-rippers stop at the ripping of the bodice; before any actual sex is described. "They sank to the floor..." is about as explicit as they go, with the author leaving the reader to fill in what happens on the floor.
His alleged bodice-ripper went graphically further. Is this the current type of bodice-ripper, or do they still depend on the reader's imagination?
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Tasha Miller - 11 Jan 2009 05:47 GMT >>>>>>>>> Gut-busting, rolling on the ground, bodice-ripping funny. >>>>>> "Bodice-ripping funny"? Bodice ripping is associated with steamy [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > current type of bodice-ripper, or do they still depend on the reader's > imagination? I'd guess bodice-rippers have become more graphic in the 25 or more years since I was immersed in historical fiction, based on the fact mainstream fiction has gone that way. Mind you, I seem to remember Kyle Onstott ("Mandingo") being pretty graphic way back then so it might have depended on the sub-genre. "Forever Amber" was written in the 40s and was very racy for its time, now it wouldn't raise an eyebrow.
The most recent historical romance I've read was "The Other Boleyn Girl" by Phillipa Gregory and I don't think she leaves much to the imagination. It was so dreadfully inaccurate I almost felt insulted but she writes well enough aside from that. (It couldn't be said I have particularly high standards in my reading tastes - or maybe it's more that I consider a wide range of books acceptable to read!) I'm more likely to be reading Bernard Cornwell these days for historical fiction.
I understand Gregory is enormously popular so obviously anachronisms and the gross distortion of easily verified historical facts doesn't trouble as many readers as I think it should.
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