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Yilaner - 11 Jan 2009 13:27 GMT
What does otherwise mean in the sentence below?

"And of course, power alone cannot obligate one, inasmuch as
obligation assumes that one cannot meaningfully do otherwise."

And I can't make any sense out of the sentence. Please help me. Thanks
a lot.
tony cooper - 11 Jan 2009 13:48 GMT
>What does otherwise mean in the sentence below?
>
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>And I can't make any sense out of the sentence. Please help me. Thanks
>a lot.

There's some context that you haven't included that explains this.
For example, it might say that an elected official should always be
truthful.  Your sentence goes on to say that one should always be
truthful even if one is not in a position of power.  "Otherwise"
refers to "be truthful" in this example.

 

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Mark Brader - 12 Jan 2009 06:05 GMT
"Yilaner" asks about:
>> "And of course, power alone cannot obligate one, inasmuch as
>> obligation assumes that one cannot meaningfully do otherwise."

Tony Cooper writes:
> There's some context that you haven't included that explains this.

Well, clearly there is context that wasn't included, but I think
this particular sentence is self-explanatory.  "Otherwise" here
simply means "other than doing what one is obligated to do".

I agree with Garrett Wollman's interpretation of the sentence.
To put it another way, it says that you can only be said to have
"power" if you have the option of *not* using the power.  If you're
obligated to do something, the ability to do it is not (really) an
example of power.  *And therefore, conversely*, if you have power
(real power) this must mean that you aren't obligated to do something
with it.
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CDB - 11 Jan 2009 15:58 GMT
> What does otherwise mean in the sentence below?

Differently; anything ("any"- because the context is negative)
different.

> "And of course, power alone cannot obligate one, inasmuch as
> obligation assumes that one cannot meaningfully do otherwise."

> And I can't make any sense out of the sentence.  Please help me.

I think part of the difficulty is that "obligation" is the noun for
two verbs: obligate and oblige.  The meanings of the two overlap a
good deal, but "obligate", with its clearer connection to the noun and
to ideas of binding, has for me more the sense of moral constraint,
the incurring of a debt which must be paid.  "Obliged" can simply mean
"forced, required".

I note that the two other replies now on my screen have been based on
"oblige", in spite of the fact that the writer has only used the verb
"obligate".  I think that that is because the writer has moved from
the "bound" meaning of "obligate", through the noun which is related
to both verbs, to the "force" meaning of "oblige" in the second half
of the sentence, without making this clear.

I think, in other words, that he is saying that a powerful person is
not, on account of his power, under any obligation (does not owe
anything), because "obligation" is defined as something that
constrains freedom of choice (that forces or "obliges" him to act in a
certain way).  I suppose that, if the statement were better expressed,
it would make sense in a context where moral constraints are not
relevant; a counterargument would be in the proverbial "noblesse
oblige".  This is a pun turning on two quite different meanings of
"oblige": nobility *requires*  one to *be obliging*);  and  on a
double meaning for "nobility" too.
Mike Lyle - 11 Jan 2009 18:30 GMT
>> What does otherwise mean in the sentence below?
>
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> "oblige": nobility *requires*  one to *be obliging*);  and  on a
> double meaning for "nobility" too.

Perhaps we should issue a warning that this subtlety is absent from
British-Etc English, which in its standard form has lost the verb
"obligate". I'd rather like to reintroduce the distinction for my own
use, but I think most readers would miss it, and instead assume I was
using a gratuitous Americanism of the GWB kind: I'm sure those few who
do use it would, if asked, regard it merely as a synonym for "oblige".

The form is found as a technical /adjective/ in biology, as in "cats are
obligate carnivores, while dogs are not". But I don't think I knew this
until I met it on Usenet.

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CDB - 11 Jan 2009 22:38 GMT
>>> "And of course, power alone cannot obligate one, inasmuch as
>>> obligation assumes that one cannot meaningfully do otherwise."

>>> And I can't make any sense out of the sentence.  Please help me.

>> I think part of the difficulty is that "obligation" is the noun for
>> two verbs: obligate and oblige.  The meanings of the two overlap a
>> good deal, but "obligate", with its clearer connection to the noun
>> and to ideas of binding, has for me more the sense of moral
>> constraint, the incurring of a debt which must be paid.  "Obliged"
>> can simply mean "forced, required".

[further maunderings]

> Perhaps we should issue a warning that this subtlety is absent from
> British-Etc English, which in its standard form has lost the verb
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> those few who do use it would, if asked, regard it merely as a
> synonym for "oblige".

Ah, another reason, then, why Harvey went straight to "oblige".

> [obbligato for hungry cats]
Dan S. - 11 Jan 2009 17:39 GMT
Yilaner, if I was in the mood, I'd turn the lights down low and reply
with soft music, but you'll have to accept this instead::
> What does otherwise mean in the sentence below?
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> And I can't make any sense out of the sentence. Please help me. Thanks
> a lot.

Otherwise = differently

The person who has the power is required (obligated) to do the thing by
virtue of his authority.  In other words, he must do something
(whatever is left out in context) in order to facilitate the station
that is his office.

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Garrett Wollman - 11 Jan 2009 21:07 GMT
>What does otherwise mean in the sentence below?
>
>"And of course, power alone cannot obligate one, inasmuch as
>obligation assumes that one cannot meaningfully do otherwise."

Piling on here... My interpretation is:

"Having power does not oblige a person to act in a certain way
[presumably clarified by the context you haven't provided], because to
be 'obliged' means not having a choice about whether to do something,
and it is the nature of power that it gives those who have it the
option of not using it."

I'm not sure I believe this, but it seems to be what the author meant,
once you unpack the negatives.  My interpretation is that "obligation"
is merely mentioned in the quoted sentence rather than used.
"Otherwise" here (mark that use-mention distinction again) means
"differently" or "something else" here, and refers to something in the
context which you haven't provided.

-GAWollman

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Steve Hayes - 12 Jan 2009 09:08 GMT
>What does otherwise mean in the sentence below?
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>And I can't make any sense out of the sentence. Please help me. Thanks
>a lot.

The meaning of "otherwise" is clear, even though the sentence as a whole
isn't.

"otherwise" mean something other than what one is obliged to do in terms of
the obligation.

For example, if the obligation is to jump up and down ten times shouting
"green scaly skunks" then "otherwise" means doing anything other than that.

I'm not sure where power comes in, though.

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R H Draney - 12 Jan 2009 10:10 GMT
Steve Hayes filted:

>>What does otherwise mean in the sentence below?
>>
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>
>I'm not sure where power comes in, though.

Probably a USB port....r

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