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JerryS - 11 Jan 2009 22:04 GMT
The driver denied _________ under the influence when he was caught.

a. having been driving
b. having driven
c. driving

Are a-c all correct?

Also, how about:

d) When stopped by the police, the driver denied having been driving
under the influence when he had been caught by the radar.

e) When stopped by the police, the driver denied having been driving
under the influence when he was caught by the radar.

Thanks.
Peter Groves - 11 Jan 2009 22:31 GMT
> The driver denied _________ under the influence when he was caught.
>
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>
> Are a-c all correct?

Without the clause "when he was caught" the main-verb phrases would have
different meanings, but the subordinate clasue turns them into (successively
less formal) versions of the same proposition.

> Also, how about:
>
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> e) When stopped by the police, the driver denied having been driving under
> the influence when he was caught by the radar.

(d) follows the logical sequence-of-tenses rulrs that would operate in
French or Latin but sounds a bit fussy in English; (e) would be more
idiomatic.

Peter Groves

> Thanks.
Lew - 12 Jan 2009 02:43 GMT
>> The driver denied _________ under the influence when he was caught.
>>
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> French or Latin but sounds a bit fussy in English; (e) would be more
> idiomatic.

a) is awkward as hell.
b) implies denying being under the influence at some time prior to being caught.
c) sounds like what is wanted.
d) is awkward as hell, twice over.
e) is a bit too wordy.  It would've worked better without the word "driving".

I would go with either,
"When stopped by the police, the driver denied being under the influence when
he was caught by the radar."
or,
"When stopped by the police, the driver denied that he was driving under the
influence when he was caught by the radar."

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Mark Brader - 12 Jan 2009 05:32 GMT
Jerry S. asks about:
>>> The driver denied _________ under the influence when he was caught.
>>>
>>> a. having been driving
>>> b. having driven
>>> c. driving

> a) is awkward as hell.

I think it's best.  It's certainly the most precise.
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JerryS - 12 Jan 2009 08:04 GMT
>>The driver denied _________ under the influence when he was caught.
>>
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> different meanings, but the subordinate clasue turns them into (successively
> less formal) versions of the same proposition.

Would you say that "having" makes the action of "driving" to be
perfective in (a) and (b), i.e. extended up to **and including** the
time of being caught?

Thank you all.
 
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