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Capital letters to start sentences and proper names?

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no name - 12 Jan 2009 18:57 GMT
When did it become common to start names with a capital letter?

When did it become common to start a sentence with a capital letter?

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Derek Turner - 12 Jan 2009 19:31 GMT
> When did it become common to start names with a capital letter?
>
> When did it become common to start a sentence with a capital letter?

The more relevant question id when did /all/ nouns cease having a capital
letter. ITYWF that capitals have been subtracted rather than added over
time.
Don Aitken - 12 Jan 2009 20:02 GMT
>> When did it become common to start names with a capital letter?
>>
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>letter. ITYWF that capitals have been subtracted rather than added over
>time.

I don't think there was ever a time when it was generally agreed that
all nouns should be capitalised in English. Capitalisation was a
matter of active controversy around the turn of the 18th/19th century.
Some said capitalise all nouns, some said important nouns, and some
said all important words, whether nouns or not, which seems to be the
older practice. There was never any general agreement as to what made
a word important for this purpose. The rule that names start with a
capital seems to be quite a bit older than this.

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Derek Turner - 12 Jan 2009 21:56 GMT
> I don't think there was ever a time when it was generally agreed that
> all nouns should be capitalised in English.

Does modern German still capitalize all nouns? I was thinking along the
lines of our dropping them as Anglo-Saxon evolved into English.
Leslie Danks - 12 Jan 2009 22:22 GMT
>> I don't think there was ever a time when it was generally agreed that
>> all nouns should be capitalised in English.
>
> Does modern German still capitalize all nouns?

Yes.

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Roland Hutchinson - 12 Jan 2009 23:24 GMT
>> When did it become common to start names with a capital letter?
>>
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> letter. ITYWF that capitals have been subtracted rather than added over
> time.

For the second question, the more relevant question is, when did _all_
letters cease to be written as capitals.

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Don Phillipson - 12 Jan 2009 22:20 GMT
> When did it become common to start names with a capital letter?
>
> When did it become common to start a sentence with a capital letter?

The answer probably varies with the language (Anglo-Saxon, French,
Latin, German etc.) but this can be traced to mediaeval times when
modern writing conventions developed (e.g. writing on ruled lines,
first lines scored into vellum with the point of a knife.)  Capitalization
is just a particular type of punctuation (thus not found in character-
based languages like Chinese.  I don't know about Hebrew.)

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Garrett Wollman - 12 Jan 2009 23:16 GMT
>The answer probably varies with the language (Anglo-Saxon, French,
>Latin, German etc.) but this can be traced to mediaeval times when
>modern writing conventions developed

Well, that depends on the medium.  It took a while for the early
typesetters to reconceptualize roman and italic typefaces as upper and
lower cases, and then to develop distinct lower-case-roman and
upper-case-italic designs.  (My reference books are all at home so I
can't provide specifics.)

-GAWollman

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Donna Richoux - 12 Jan 2009 23:48 GMT
> >The answer probably varies with the language (Anglo-Saxon, French,
> >Latin, German etc.) but this can be traced to mediaeval times when
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> upper-case-italic designs.  (My reference books are all at home so I
> can't provide specifics.)

I'm sure when you consult your references you will find that "lower
case" letters were developed before printing (even though the name comes
from the printer's box.) Those monks copying books by hand needed small
joined letters for speed.

This page from the manuscript of Beowulf shows no capitals:
 http://www.uky.edu/~kiernan/welcome-old/slide5.htm

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Garrett Wollman - 13 Jan 2009 02:01 GMT
>I'm sure when you consult your references you will find that "lower
>case" letters were developed before printing

Not as such, no.

>This page from the manuscript of Beowulf shows no capitals:
>  http://www.uky.edu/~kiernan/welcome-old/slide5.htm

Exactly.  It was written in a script that resembles (for good reason)
what we now call "lower case" or "minuscule" letters.

However, I'm unable to find the relevant reference, so either I'm
misremembering or my source was more ephemeral than I recall.  (It
wasn't in /Five hundred years of book design/ as I expected.)

-GAWollman

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Cece - 13 Jan 2009 17:19 GMT
> In article <1itghus.q0molbraoziuN%t...@euronet.nl>,
>
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> Opinions not those   | grants to rare events of meanness such power to shape
> of MIT or CSAIL.     | our history. - S.J. Gould, Ten Thousand Acts of Kindness

I've seen prints of late fifteenth-century letters that have capital
letters at the beginnings of sentences and for some proper nouns.
People's names and titles (not "duke") and place names, but not month
names.  These were plates in one of the biographies of Richard III.

Seventeenth-century printed work capitalizes sentence beginnings and
place names; I'll have to go to the library and check out a couple
books to see if capitalization runs rampant in them.  I don't think it
did, but I'd have to look again to be sure.
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com - 12 Jan 2009 23:20 GMT
> > When did it become common to start names with a capital letter?
>
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> is just a particular type of punctuation (thus not found in character-
> based languages like Chinese.  I don't know about Hebrew.)

Hebrew has no capitalization.  All letters always have the same form,
except that five have a second form used whenever they're the last
letter in the word.  (And I think there are some decorative
conventions followed in handwriting the Bible.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_alphabet

The old Hebrew alphabet has no capitalization or final letters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleo-Hebrew_alphabet

I hope your "character-based" isn't supposed to apply to Hebrew.  Its
writing system is much more like that of English than like Chinese
characters.

Chinese does now have punctuation, I gather.  Of course it could have
something analogous to capitalization--writing characters bigger or
with a box around them when they refer to proper names, say--but it
doesn't.

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