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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2009Quotation marks, comma
Hello: Assuming AmE, what would be the best placement of quotes and comma here: 1) “He marked that part of the floor as ‘slippery,’” she said. 2) “He marked that part of the floor as ‘slippery',” she said. Other? Thanks. Marius Hancu > Hello: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Thanks. > Marius Hancu Number 2. If you place the comma inside of it the sign would read -- [slippery,] not [slippery]. EG  SignatureRiclanders Dot Com http://riclanders.com/ > > Hello: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > -- > Riclanders Dot Comhttp://riclanders.com/ Agreed. That would look the same in BrE too I think. On Jan 14, 11:24 am, piotrek.niesluchow...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Hello: > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Show quoted text - The first is correct. The second is my preference. > On Jan 14, 11:24 am, piotrek.niesluchow...@gmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > The first is correct. The second is my preference. The first is NOT correct. Did he mark the sign [slippery,] or [slippery]? If he marked it [slippery], then the first is not correct. EG SignatureRiclanders Dot Com http://riclanders.com/ > On Jan 14, 11:24 am, piotrek.niesluchow...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > If you place the comma inside of it the sign would read -- [slippery,] > > > not [slippery]. ... > > Agreed. That would look the same in BrE too I think.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > The first is correct. The second is my preference. I agree with both of Cece's statements (if "correct" means "standard in formal American English, outside linguistics and fields like that"). -- Jerry Friedman >> On Jan 14, 11:24 am, piotrek.niesluchow...@gmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > -- > Jerry Friedman Why are you confusing the guy? He doesn't want to turn this into the Scopes Trial, he just wants a simple answer. EG SignatureRiclanders Dot Com http://riclanders.com/ Marius Hancu: > Assuming AmE, what would be the best placement of quotes and comma here: > > 1) "He marked that part of the floor as 'slippery,'" she said. > 2) "He marked that part of the floor as 'slippery'," she said. Assuming that "AmE" means the standard typographical usage where commas and periods move inside the quotes... 1. SignatureMark Brader | "One of the lessons of history is that nothing Toronto | is often a good thing to do and always a clever msb@vex.net | thing to say." -- Will Durant > Marius Hancu: >> Assuming AmE, what would be the best placement of quotes and comma here: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Assuming that "AmE" means the standard typographical usage where commas > and periods move inside the quotes... 1. He did not mark part of the floor [slippery,] He marked it [slippery]. End of story. EG SignatureRiclanders Dot Com http://riclanders.com/ > > Marius Hancu: > >> Assuming AmE, what would be the best placement of quotes and comma here: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > He marked it [slippery]. Yes, hence why many people prefer so-called "logical quoting" over standard American quoting. Logically, (2) makes more sense. By mass media US standards, (1) is correct. Logical quoting is used by a lot of technical journals in the US, so it's not absolutely wrong here. It's not the most common standard, though, and it's wrong by the standards of most English teachers. This is really a case where you need to consult the style guide for your target medium. If it's informal enough not to use a style guide, use (1) if you want to do the usual American thing and (2) if you want to promote sanity. >>> Marius Hancu: >>>> Assuming AmE, what would be the best placement of quotes and comma here: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > use (1) if you want to do the usual American thing and (2) if you want > to promote sanity. Slippery is not being "quoted." The function of the quotes around "slippery" are to emphasize, not quote. Italics could be used to archive the same thing. EG SignatureRiclanders Dot Com http://riclanders.com/ > The function of the quotes around "slippery" are to emphasize, not quote. Wait, did he write the word "slippery" or not? If he did, how can the function of the quotes not be to quote it? If he didn't, how can it possibly matter whether we write a comma next to the word or not? ¬R >> The function of the quotes around "slippery" are to emphasize, not quote. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > ¬R Look at it this way: if a painter was given a written order to write a sign and the sign was [slippery,], how would the order read? Only one way: Write a sign that says 'slippery,'. Meanwhile, if he was given an order to write a sign that read "slippery." The order would be: Write a sign that says 'slippery'. EG SignatureRiclanders Dot Com http://riclanders.com/ > Look at it this way: if a painter was given a written order to write a > sign and the sign was [slippery,], how would the order read? How does it matter? The sentence in question was spoken, not written. If she'd meant that he marked it as "slippery" with a comma after it, she would have said just that. ¬R elanders wrote: > The function of the quotes around "slippery" are to emphasize, not quote. Are it? Or maybe I mean Is they? Signatureathel >elanders wrote: >> The function of the quotes around "slippery" are to emphasize, not quote. > >Are it? >Or maybe I mean Is they? There is no "agreement" as to what the proper function of quotation marks are: http://www.photobasement.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/quotationmarks.jpg James > There is no "agreement" as to what the proper function > of quotation marks are: > > http://www.photobasement.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/quotationmarks.jpg There was an interesting article on the Language Log recently about scare quotes, greengrocer's quotes, and mendacity quotes. (I have resisted the inclination to put quotes around any of those terms.) http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=1017 SignatureHistory teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure. (Thurgood Marshall) > elanders wrote: >> The function of the quotes around "slippery" are to emphasize, not quote. > > Are it? > Or maybe I mean Is they? Maybe if you ever manage to sort it out, Athel, you'll be a published author one day. EG SignatureRiclanders Dot Com http://riclanders.com/ On Jan 14, 6:03 pm, "sjdevn...@yahoo.com" <sjdevn...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> Assuming AmE, what would be the best placement of quotes and comma here: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > use (1) if you want to do the usual American thing and (2) if you want > to promote sanity. Well, thank you all for confirming the alternatives. Marius Hancu > Assuming AmE, what would be the best placement of quotes and comma > here: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Other? The first one follows the AmE style/punctuation rules that I follow. IOW, I agree with Mark Brader. SignatureMaria C. >> Assuming AmE, what would be the best placement of quotes and comma >> here: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The first one follows the AmE style/punctuation rules that I follow. > IOW, I agree with Mark Brader. you mind quite that ame rule here? EG SignatureRiclanders Dot Com http://riclanders.com/ > >> Assuming AmE, what would be the best placement of quotes and comma > >> here: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > -- > Riclanders Dot Comhttp://riclanders.com/ http://grammartips.homestead.com/inside.html agrees with every English class I ever took in AmE schools: "When it comes to commas and periods, though, logic doesn't enter into the equation, at least not in the United States. Universal American usage places commas and periods inside the quotation marks, regardless of logic...This rule applies even when the unit enclosed at the end of the sentence is just a single word rather than an actual quotation. ,,, Now, keep in mind that this comma and period inside the quotation marks business is strictly American usage. The British don't do it that way. They are inclined to place commas and periods logically rather than conventionally, depending on whether the punctuation belongs to the quotation or to the sentence that contains the quotation, just as we do with question marks and exclamation points." >>> Assuming AmE, what would be the best placement of quotes and comma >>> here: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > you mind quite that ame rule here? Could you rephrase that question? I'm not sure what you're asking. If you mean "do you object to AmE ruling this newsgroup," the answer is four-fold: 1. AmE does not "rule" this newsgroup; in fact, no particular brand of English does. As for "rules," the noun, read the following. 2. The only "rules" in AUE, an unmoderated newsgroup, are more in the line of suggestions and advice about usage, posting, and where to find helpful Web sites. Those who choose to ignore the suggestions and advice (found in "Intro A" and other Intros which Donna Richoux posts regularly) will probably find that they get little response after a while. They also may get a measure of criticism. 3. Most posters try to observe the rules of their own English, whether it be used in the UK, the US, Australia, Canada, South Africa, New Zealand, or in various other places where English is spoken (and spelled, and pronounced, and has guidelines for grammar). 4. AUE is a popular resource for people who are learning English as a second language. It would be a shame to mislead them, and thus we try to identify which sort of English we speak when replying to them. (They usually know that there are several kinds of English Usage.) And that's it. SignatureMaria C., Retired Technical Writer Resident of southeast Michigan, near Detroit; native of east Tennessee. ObEditing: I've edited this post a few times for clarity. It may now contain some inexplicable errors. >>>> Assuming AmE, what would be the best placement of quotes and comma >>>> here: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >And that's it. That's it? Only if you add: 5. AUE has become an exhibition hall for an endless series of puns and counter-puns that are largely useless to anyone who'd like to become a better writer. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland >>>>> Assuming AmE, what would be the best placement of quotes and comma >>>>> here: [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > counter-puns that are largely useless to anyone who'd like to become a > better writer. I disagree that your #5 should be added to my four-point statement above. While #5 may be true, it doesn't have much, if anything, to do with which brand of English is used in the group. Even so, I'm glad you raised the point because I'd like to comment about the pun threads. Here goes: If I encounter what turns out to be a pun thread _in its inception_, I will read all of it, and will usually enjoy all the laughs and groans it brings. Humor is good for the soul. However, if I've been away for even a day and see a new thread of at least 50 posts with a Subject Line that doesn't sound all that appealing, I'll just mark the whole thread as read and never look back. Threads that spawn so quickly and fully take more time to read than I'm willing to spend (with some exceptions). Note that they may or may not be pun threads. Also note that if certain posters' names appear in any new-to-me thread, I may take a chance on it. I won't name the "certain posters" but I'll say that they are usually the people who make me laugh out loud. SignatureMaria C. >>>>> Assuming AmE, what would be the best placement of quotes and comma >>>>> here: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > counter-puns that are largely useless to anyone who'd like to become a > better writer. ...but display impressive talents for complex wordplay and are frequently highly entertaining... SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) LFS filted: >>> 4. AUE is a popular resource for people who are learning English as a >>> second language. It would be a shame to mislead them, and thus we try to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >...but display impressive talents for complex wordplay and are >frequently highly entertaining... 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"You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" > aue is one big How many words does it take to complete that sentence? > aue is getting some good exposure FNARR! SignatureThe generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance. [Robert R. Coveyou] > From www.googlism.com: [... > aue is deserving of preservation as wetland and as habitat for > sticklebacks Is that another name for Thistlebottoms? SignatureRegards John for mail: my initials plus a u e at tpg dot com dot au >> 5. AUE has become an exhibition hall for an endless series of puns and >> counter-puns that are largely useless to anyone who'd like to become a >> better writer. > >...but display impressive talents for complex wordplay and are >frequently highly entertaining... I take the blame for the exhibitionism here. You must forgive me. I found my way to aue only a few days ago, and before that I never knew what a Tom Swifty was. Don't worry; the novelty will soon wear off as the potential stock of puns diminishes. And I'll wait until next weekend before posting another batch of blanked-out Tom Swifties for people to guess. James "It took me hours to get that comb-over into place," Tom bawled. >I take the blame for the exhibitionism here. You must forgive me. >I found my way to aue only a few days ago, and before that I >never knew what a Tom Swifty was. Absolve yourself: you're simply the latest in a distinguished line of wordsmiths and punsters -- and certainly not the least distinguished, if you can hit the ground running like that. Your arrival here was noted with approbation at today's boink. Have you happened upon the govende yet? If not, I anticipate another treat. SignatureKaty Jennison spamtrap: remove the first two letters after the @ > On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:26:52 +0000, James Hogg > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Have you happened upon the govende yet? If not, I anticipate another > treat. Not to mention the Summer Doldrums Competition, which you might be interested in providing questions for. -- Jerry Friedman, Totally Official Summer Doldrums Competition Panelist >> On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:26:52 +0000, James Hogg >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Not to mention the Summer Doldrums Competition, which you might be >interested in providing questions for. Just back from a dive in the archives, I can see that there may be plenty of opportunities for what Chuck calls "time-wasting drivel". James >>> On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:26:52 +0000, James Hogg >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >there may be plenty of opportunities for what Chuck >calls "time-wasting drivel". Charles has felt for many years that one of the main purposes of AUE *should* be to improve people's writing ability. It may well improve their grammar and comprehension, even sharpen their minds and introduce them to areas in which they have little previous experience. People whose main language is not English will often get help in explaining or rephrasing their English. Style might occasionally be mentioned. But AUE is not a writer's workshop and I don't think it was ever intended to be. SignatureRobin (BrE) Herts, England >>>> On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:26:52 +0000, James Hogg >>>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >mentioned. But AUE is not a writer's workshop and I don't think it >was ever intended to be. Speaking for myself, I'm less interested in what AUE "should be", for who knows what was intended, than in what it could be. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland >>> On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:26:52 +0000, James Hogg >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >there may be plenty of opportunities for what Chuck >calls "time-wasting drivel". You're right. I've got a little list. Now that Jerry has mentioned it, the Summer Doldrums Competition is a surer way for someone to waste his precious time, when time is so short, than fiddling around with puns, solving Rubik's Cube or playing Sudoku. Rather than taking up trivial pursuits, why not write The Great Novel, help solve the global warming problem, paint a friend's portrait or, at least, read a good book? SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland >>Just back from a dive in the archives, I can see that >>there may be plenty of opportunities for what Chuck [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Great Novel, help solve the global warming problem, paint a friend's >portrait or, at least, read a good book? Because we don't want to. If they waste your valuable time, kill the threads. SignatureLinz Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford My accent may vary >On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:15:14 +0000, Chuck Riggs <chriggs@eircom.net> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Because we don't want to. If they waste your valuable time, kill the >threads. It's quite hard to come up with successful criteria for determining whether one's time is being wasted or not. In some ways it's easier to accuse others of wasting their time, if they are doing nothing towards a common good. But they may well be doing something towards their own good as they see it, and who is to condemn them for that? On the whole, I think time is better spent living than not living. Playing games is one way of living. Children get the idea at an early age, and I feel rather sorry for those who grow out of it. I wonder how a cicada would answer if accused of wasting his time underground for seventeen years just hanging about for one day's orgy before dying of sexual exhaustion. SignaturePaul >>On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:15:14 +0000, Chuck Riggs <chriggs@eircom.net> >>wrote: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >underground for seventeen years just hanging about for one day's orgy >before dying of sexual exhaustion. Ah, but I do play games. I frequently watch TV, play Scrabble or try to solve the Rubik's Cube. I occasionally solve a Sudoku puzzle and sometimes I solve differential equations for the enjoyment and to keep my mind sharp. I spend more than several hours a day in AUE and on the Internet. Most of these activities are done out of laziness, for if I weren't lazy I'd be doing something more constructive, such as writing a book, drawing a friend's portrait in charcoal, which I'm fairly good at, writing longer and better letters, engaging in conversations with people who could use some company, exercising to improve both mind and body, and reading more and better novels or studying new mathematics and scientific works. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland >>> Just back from a dive in the archives, I can see that >>> there may be plenty of opportunities for what Chuck [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Because we don't want to. If they waste your valuable time, kill the > threads. One someone once opined: Intolerance for nonsense and time-wasters is inversely related to joyousness. SignatureFrank ess >>>> Just back from a dive in the archives, I can see that >>>> there may be plenty of opportunities for what Chuck [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >One someone once opined: Intolerance for nonsense and time-wasters is >inversely related to joyousness. One person's time-waster is another's raison dêtre. For example, many people would say the time I spend watching films is a waste, but I enjoy movies so much, I wouldn't want to consider life without them. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland >>>Just back from a dive in the archives, I can see that >>>there may be plenty of opportunities for what Chuck [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Because we don't want to. Have you got a mouse in your pocket? SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland > Have you got a mouse in your pocket? Or are you just glad to see me? SignatureLew >>> 5. AUE has become an exhibition hall for an endless series of puns and >>> counter-puns that are largely useless to anyone who'd like to become a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Don't worry; the novelty will soon wear off as the potential >stock of puns diminishes. "The potential stock for puns will never diminish", he said expansively. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>> 5. AUE has become an exhibition hall for an endless series of puns and >>> counter-puns that are largely useless to anyone who'd like to become a [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >And I'll wait until next weekend before posting another batch of >blanked-out Tom Swifties for people to guess. If you want to play Tom Swifties, you'd be better off in uk.rec.sheds. SignatureLinz Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford My accent may vary >>>>>> Assuming AmE, what would be the best placement of quotes and comma >>>>>> here: [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >...but display impressive talents for complex wordplay and are >frequently highly entertaining... I can't disagree, but I simply don't have enough time to read even half of them. Basically, I am a happy person with or without puns, but I don't want to miss posts that might improve my writing or that, for another example, are recommendations for good books to read, as many of today's posts are. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland > 5. AUE has become an exhibition hall for an endless series of puns and > counter-puns Are counter-puns jokes told in shops? SignatureRob Bannister >> 5. AUE has become an exhibition hall for an endless series of puns and >> counter-puns > >Are counter-puns jokes told in shops? Are counter-puns jokes sold in shops? What are under-the-counter-puns? SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >>> 5. AUE has become an exhibition hall for an endless series of puns and >>> counter-puns [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What are under-the-counter-puns? The opposite to octopuns. >>>> 5. AUE has become an exhibition hall for an endless series of puns and >>>> counter-puns [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >The opposite to octopuns. Are slightly flakey female political commentators who make word jokes pun ditz? SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>>>> 5. AUE has become an exhibition hall for an endless series of >>>>> puns and counter-puns [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Are slightly flakey female political commentators who make word jokes > pun ditz? "Pun ditz" can't be right, can it? It's not plural, despite the sound of it. (A "ditz" is a person; more than one "ditz" would be "ditzes." Nonetheless, I understood what you meant after giving the phrase some thought. I wasn't able to improve the word play, though. Shutting up about it now, Maria C. >>> 5. AUE has become an exhibition hall for an endless series of puns and >>> counter-puns [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What are under-the-counter-puns? The ones people should be ashamed to ask for? SignatureThe wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. [Grace Murray Hopper] >>> 5. AUE has become an exhibition hall for an endless series of puns and >>> counter-puns [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What are under-the-counter-puns? I think they're sung by a plain rapper. SignatureRob Bannister > Other? <dons flameproof jacket> 3) “He marked that part of the floor as ‘slippery'”, she said. The comma is neither being marked on the floor, nor being spoken by the speaker. -- JGH >> Other? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > JGH Where have you been, pal? We yanks put the comma inside the quotes, that's our rule. That said, the burning questions is do we do it with all quotes-- or quote within a quote. These people are interpreting the rule to me we do it regardless of what problems it may cause with content. This is nonsensical. Obviously the sign is not marked [slippery,] so construct a sentence that reads that way? Blind obedience to the rule seems to miss the point of grammar rules -- clarity. EG SignatureRiclanders Dot Com http://riclanders.com/ >We yanks put the comma inside the quotes, that's our rule. Some do. >Blind obedience to the rule seems to miss the point of grammar rules -- That's why not all do. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>We yanks put the comma inside the quotes, that's our rule. Another rule of ours is to use a semicolon where needed, for otherwise we've created a serial comma. >Some do. > >>Blind obedience to the rule seems to miss the point of grammar rules -- > >That's why not all do. Sure, but the best writers understand the rules before breaking them. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland >>> We yanks put the comma inside the quotes, that's our rule. > > Another rule of ours is to use a semicolon where needed, for otherwise > we've created a serial comma. Um, I'd say "we've created a "run-on" sentence." (In AmE, that is. I think BrE {and IrE?} guidelines are different.) [...] SignatureMaria C. >>>> We yanks put the comma inside the quotes, that's our rule. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Um, I'd say "we've created a "run-on" sentence." (In AmE, that is. I >think BrE {and IrE?} guidelines are different.) Mea culpa. I don't think AmE and BrE are any different on this, BTW. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland >> Other? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The comma is neither being marked on the floor, nor being > spoken by the speaker. I was tempted to suggest that as well, but her utterance is a complete sentence, so it's usual, even in BrE, to have some punctuation before the quotation is closed. In practice I might easily write (3) in a first draft, though I'd probably change it to (2) during editing. Signatureathel >>> Other? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >sentence, so it's usual, even in BrE, to have some punctuation before >the quotation is closed. Yes. Conventionally a full-stop/period at the end of a quoted sentence is replaced by a comma. "Die you infidel!" he cried. "Is he still alive?" he asked. "Yes," she said, >In practice I might easily write (3) in a first draft, though I'd >probably change it to (2) during editing. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) > Hello: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Thanks. > Marius Hancu I am American but use British punctuation style. The American style is stupid beyond belief. FIRST the quotes, THEN the comma. Nothing else makes any sense whatsoever. Thus, No. 2 is the only rational approach, style manuals be damned... > > Hello: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > makes any sense whatsoever. Thus, No. 2 is the only rational approach, > style manuals be damned... Actually, no: 2) “He marked that part of the floor as ‘slippery' ”, she said. [ ... ] > I am American but use British punctuation style. The American style is > stupid beyond belief. FIRST the quotes, THEN the comma. Nothing else > makes any sense whatsoever. Thus, No. 2 is the only rational approach, > style manuals be damned... "An excellent idea," he said pointedly. Hey, UK-ers, what of the comma in the preceding sentence? SignatureBob Lieblich Who did not wait for an answer >[ ... ] >> I am American but use British punctuation style. The American style is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Hey, UK-ers, what of the comma in the preceding sentence? If it is standing in for a full-stop at the end of a quoted sentence it is conventionally correct. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) On Jan 16, 6:32 pm, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net> wrote: > >[ ... ] > >> I am American but use British punctuation style. The American style is [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Peter Duncanson, UK > (in alt.usage.english) I would do it thus: "An excellent idea", he said pointedly. >[ ... ] >> I am American but use British punctuation style. The American style is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Hey, UK-ers, what of the comma in the preceding sentence? Who wouldn't say it was correct? SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland |
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