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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2009How to pronounce "Anemoi"
Could somebody please tell me the pronunciation of "Anemoi"?. It's a word used in Greek mythology to mean wind gods. Here's is its Wikipedia article for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anemoi Any help would definitely be appreciated. :) > Could somebody please tell me the pronunciation of "Anemoi"?. It's a > word used in Greek mythology to mean wind gods. Here's is its [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Any help would definitely be appreciated. :) The e is Greek is short, so I'd guess that "ANny-moi" would be a suitable English pronunciation. But perhaps someone has actually heard it spoken? Alan Jones > Could somebody please tell me the pronunciation of "Anemoi"?. It's a > word used in Greek mythology to mean wind gods. Here's is its Wikipedia [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Any help would definitely be appreciated. :) In modern Greek it would be a-nem-i, classicists would make the last syllable -oy. The stress in Greek is marked by an accent, it's on the alpha so A-nem-i (modern) or A-nem-oy (classical) >On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:43:53 -0800, Sez wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >syllable -oy. The stress in Greek is marked by an accent, it's on the >alpha so A-nem-i (modern) or A-nem-oy (classical) I'd start with a simple common word like anemometer and work back from there. It seems to lead to a similar conclusion on the classical front.  SignaturePaul >>In modern Greek it would be a-nem-i, classicists would make the last >>syllable -oy. The stress in Greek is marked by an accent, it's on the >>alpha so A-nem-i (modern) or A-nem-oy (classical) > > I'd start with a simple common word like anemometer and work back from > there. It seems to lead to a similar conclusion on the classical front. 'Anemometer' is, of course, usually pronounced with the primary stress on the 'o' and a secondary stress on the initial 'a'. But we also have an instrument - a self-registering anemometer - which we call an 'anemograph'. Throughout my lifetime it has always had the primary stress on the 'e', and I have heard it with either a long or a short 'e' in roughly equal measure. Being faithful to the Greek would, I guess, be best achieved by shifting the primary stress to the 'a' and giving a secondary stress to 'graph', but it sounds very strange. Philip Eden On Jan 16, 5:01 pm, "Philip Eden" <philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom> wrote: > >>In modern Greek it would be a-nem-i, classicists would make the last > >>syllable -oy. The stress in Greek is marked by an accent, it's on the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > primary stress to the 'a' and giving a secondary stress to 'graph', > but it sounds very strange. There's also the anemone or windflower, accented on the second syllable. What all these words have in common is an accent on the third-last syllable. -- Jerry Friedman On Jan 16, 9:33 pm, "jerry_fried...@yahoo.com" <jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jan 16, 5:01 pm, "Philip Eden" <philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > syllable. What all these words have in common is an accent on the > third-last syllable. Though strangely enough, Greek "anemone" is accented on the third syllable, according to http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%91%CE%BD%CE%B5%CE%BC%CF%8E%CE%BD%CE%B7 (Take that!) -- Jerry Friedman > On Jan 16, 9:33 pm, "jerry_fried...@yahoo.com" > <jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Jan 16, 5:01 pm, "Philip Eden" <philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom> >> wrote: [...] >>> 'Anemometer' is, of course, usually pronounced with the primary >>> stress on the 'o' and a secondary stress on the initial 'a'. But we [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > (Take that!) The third-syll stress is because it's a long "o"--omega, not omicron. But many "anemo-" compounds in Greek also have a third-syll stress on a short "o" because of a tendency to stress the third from the end, as Jerry mentions. I don't really know why the flower and a few other words have a long "o", and my views on these matters should be taken with a spoonful of caution in any case. SignatureMike. >>>In modern Greek it would be a-nem-i, classicists would make the last >>>syllable -oy. The stress in Greek is marked by an accent, it's on the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Philip Eden There seems to be a rule on English that words in "-graph" are stressed on the antepenult -- "phOtograph", "tElegraph", "anEmograph" --, as also words in "-graphy": "photOgraphy", "telEgraphy", "pornOgraphy", "anemOgraphy" (if there is such a word). Peter Groves > >>>In modern Greek it would be a-nem-i, classicists would make the last > >>>syllable -oy. The stress in Greek is marked by an accent, it's on the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > in "-graphy": "photOgraphy", "telEgraphy", "pornOgraphy", "anemOgraphy" (if > there is such a word). I believe the majority of English words (of more than three syllables) from Latin or Greek are stressed on the antepenult. But not all. -- Jerry Friedman On Jan 16, 10:04 pm, "Peter Groves" <whate...@whatever.org> wrote: > "Philip Eden" <philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > (if > there is such a word). I believe the majority of English words (of more than three syllables) from Latin or Greek are stressed on the antepenult. But not all. -- Jerry Friedman ***An interesting claim, hard to test, but there are so many polysyllabic endings that don't conform that I suspect it's probably not the case: just off the top of my head, all words ending in "-ation" and adjectival "-ic" are stressed on the penult, for example, "-ory" and "-ary" tend to throw the major stress prior to the antepenult (in American English), and so on. Just out of interest, did you find this claim somewhere, or is it your own impression? Peter Groves > <jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > out of interest, did you find this claim somewhere, or is it your own > impression? I've seen it mentioned, but I can't cite a source. A lot of four-syllable or longer words in "-ure", "-ion", "-ic", "- ory", and "-ary" have extensions in "-al" that are stressed on the antepenult (another exception!), so that evens things up quite a bit without even considering other words. Also, a lot of the words in "- ation" have corresponding words in "-ate" that are stressed on the antepenult. On the other hand, most words from Latin ending in "-tor" are stressed on the penult. (I can't think of any exceptions at the moment.) So a more useful but more complicated guideline would be: Just about all words from Latin or Greek ending in "-tion", "-ic", "- ory", "-ary", and "-tor" are accented on the second-last syllable. Most other words from Latin or Greek are accented on the third-last syllable. Addition of "-ing" or "-ed" doesn't change the stress. Addition of "- er" might (-grapher) or might not (-izer). -- Jerry Friedman On Jan 17, 11:05 am, "jerry_fried...@yahoo.com" <jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > <jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > Addition of "-ing" or "-ed" doesn't change the stress. Addition of "- > er" might (-grapher) or might not (-izer). I learned the word "epistasis" yesterday, which turns out to be "epIstasis", but it lead me to "epistAxis" and "episEmeme" and "epistErnum", and ''epIscopicide", and I think I take back my rule. -- Jerry Friedman >Could somebody please tell me the pronunciation of "Anemoi"?. It's a >word used in Greek mythology to mean wind gods. Here's is its [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Any help would definitely be appreciated. :) Greeks today would pronounce it "annemie". Non-Greek Renaissance scholars would have disagreed. I know someone whose name is "Annemie" -- I wonder if that is what it is derived from? Perhaps I'll ask her. SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk >> Could somebody please tell me the pronunciation of "Anemoi"?. It's a >> word used in Greek mythology to mean wind gods. Here's is its [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I know someone whose name is "Annemie" -- I wonder if that is what it > is derived from? Perhaps I'll ask her. Isn't there a mental affliction called "anomie"? Yes. http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1 861585792 from Late 16th century. Via French< Greek anomia "lawlessness" < anomos "lawless" < nomos "law |
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