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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2009Give sb. sth. and its variations.
Hi all, Consider the following syntactic structures: Give sb. sth. In the above structure, if I want to use a clause in the place of sth., I will have the following two choices: 1- Substitute a clause for sth., i.e.: Give sb. + clause 2- Append a appositive clause immediately after sth., i.e.: Give sb. sth. + appositive clause In this case, the appositive clause should have the same meaing as its preposition *sth.* but more detailed in meaning. Am I right? Regards,  Signature.: Hongyi Zhao [ hongyi.zhao AT gmail.com ] Free as in Freedom :. > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Regards, very few native-speakers will know what you mean by those abbreviations - they're a 'learners' thing and we don't use them. Perhaps you'd like to supply a concrete example or two because I don't know what you are asking! >> Hi all, >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >they're a 'learners' thing and we don't use them. Perhaps you'd like to >supply a concrete example or two because I don't know what you are asking! See the following two examples: He told me the news that our team had won$)A#. and He told me that our team had won$)A#. Which is more in line with the rules of grammar? Signature.: Hongyi Zhao [ hongyi.zhao AT gmail.com ] Free as in Freedom :. > See the following two examples: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Which is more in line with the rules of grammar? 1. "In line with" is non-standard usage. We say a sentence conforms to the rules of grammar or breaks them. 2. Both sentences are grammatically correct. Neither is "more correct" than the other. Neither is more idiomatic than the other. SignatureDon Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) >> Which is more in line with the rules of grammar? > >1. "In line with" is non-standard usage. Nonsense. It is entirely standard, although in a register that is not normally written. >We say a sentence conforms to the rules of grammar or breaks them. <sarcasm> You and your tapeworm? </sarcasm> *I* say that a sentence is or is not grammatical, unless of course we're talking formal language theory, in which case a string is or is not [in the language] accepted by the grammar. -GAWollman SignatureGarrett A. Wollman | The real tragedy of human existence is not that we are wollman@csail.mit.edu| nasty by nature, but that a cruel structural asymmetry Opinions not those | grants to rare events of meanness such power to shape of MIT or CSAIL. | our history. - S.J. Gould, Ten Thousand Acts of Kindness |
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