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elanders - 24 Jan 2009 09:55 GMT
"The surgeon will attend to your brother and we'll commence
straight-away – My! This is a lovely bedchamber, is it not, Lady Ancaster?"

In the sentence above, the word "This" is capitalized after My!

Yet I've seen this construction:

"The surgeon will attend to your brother and we'll commence
straight-away – My! this is a lovely bedchamber, is it not, Lady Ancaster?"

Is the second one also correct?

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Appelation Controlee - 24 Jan 2009 10:15 GMT
> "The surgeon will attend to your brother and we'll commence
> straight-away – My! This is a lovely bedchamber, is it not, Lady Ancaster?"
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Is the second one also correct?

What is it with you and the aristocracy?

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elanders - 24 Jan 2009 10:48 GMT
>> "The surgeon will attend to your brother and we'll commence
>> straight-away – My! This is a lovely bedchamber, is it not, Lady Ancaster?"
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> What is it with you and the aristocracy?

What is it with you and the other a.sholes who keep spamming my posts?

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Appelation Controlee - 24 Jan 2009 18:44 GMT
>>> "The surgeon will attend to your brother and we'll commence
>>> straight-away – My! This is a lovely bedchamber, is it not, Lady Ancaster?"
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> What is it with you and the other a.sholes who keep spamming my posts?

Sorry, didn't realise that you were afflicted with a humour bypass.
As an aside, do you understand the consensus use of the word "spam"?

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elanders - 24 Jan 2009 18:51 GMT
>>>> "The surgeon will attend to your brother and we'll commence
>>>> straight-away – My! This is a lovely bedchamber, is it not, Lady Ancaster?"
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Sorry, didn't realise that you were afflicted with a humour bypass.
> As an aside, do you understand the consensus use of the word "spam"?

Do you know the consensus use of the word "a.shole"?

EG

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James Hogg - 24 Jan 2009 19:03 GMT
>>>>> "The surgeon will attend to your brother and we'll commence
>>>>> straight-away ¡V My! This is a lovely bedchamber, is it not, Lady Ancaster?"
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
>Do you know the consensus use of the word "a.shole"?

To establish the consensus use, we'd have to ask the whole
newsgroup. You might not get the answer you want.

James
Appelation Controlee - 25 Jan 2009 06:55 GMT
>>>>> "The surgeon will attend to your brother and we'll commence
>>>>> straight-away – My! This is a lovely bedchamber, is it not, Lady Ancaster?"
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Do you know the consensus use of the word "a.shole"?

Well, there you go - I'm now convinced.

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elanders - 24 Jan 2009 10:49 GMT
> "The surgeon will attend to your brother and we'll commence
> straight-away – My! This is a lovely bedchamber, is it not, Lady Ancaster?"
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Is the second one also correct?

While we're at it, I find myself doing this lately:

Another tap came on the window; it was the Duke; he was not happy.

Is the semicolon use alright?

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Don Phillipson - 24 Jan 2009 13:07 GMT
> Another tap came on the window; it was the Duke; he was not happy.
>
> Is the semicolon use alright?

1.  These semicolons are not right.  Full stops (periods) are
preferred.   This topic is discussed in the Chicago Manual of
Style and other works on punctuation.

2.  Correct English has no word "alright," all right?

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elanders - 24 Jan 2009 17:08 GMT
>> Another tap came on the window; it was the Duke; he was not happy.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> 2.  Correct English has no word "alright," all right?

I'm not sure I agree with your point about the semicolon use in the
sample sentence above and since you didn't supply a cite, I don't know
your logic.

Here's the sentence again:

"Another tap came on the window; it was the Duke; he was not happy."

My logic is  as follows:

We know this is correct:

"Another tap came on the window; it was the Duke."

And if it is correct, why wouldn't this be correct:

"Another tap came on the window; it was the Duke; he was not happy."

Each clause has a subject and verb and each is related to the clause
that precedes it.

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Finally, Don. You won't keep a lot of friends red-penciling posts for
grammar errors -- especially when the word in question is accepted in
some circles:

alright
One entry found.

Main Entry:
    al·right Listen to the pronunciation of alright
Pronunciation:
    \(ˌ)ȯl-ˈrīt, ˈȯl-ˌ\
Function:
    adverb or adjective
Date:
    1887

: all right
usage The one-word spelling alright appeared some 75 years after all
right itself had reappeared from a 400-year-long absence. Since the
early 20th century some critics have insisted alright is wrong, but it
has its defenders and its users. It is less frequent than all right but
remains in common use especially in journalistic and business
publications. It is quite common in fictional dialogue, and is used
occasionally in other writing <the first two years of medical school
were alright — Gertrude Stein>.

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the Omrud - 24 Jan 2009 10:51 GMT
> "The surgeon will attend to your brother and we'll commence
> straight-away – My! This is a lovely bedchamber, is it not, Lady Ancaster?"
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Is the second one also correct?

I don't know about correct, but I don't object to it.  It gives the
feeling of a continued sentence while retaining the exclamation point.

However, I'm more bothered by the hyphen in "straight-away", and by the
capitalisation of "My" after a dash.

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elanders - 24 Jan 2009 11:03 GMT
>> "The surgeon will attend to your brother and we'll commence
>> straight-away – My! This is a lovely bedchamber, is it not, Lady
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> However, I'm more bothered by the hyphen in "straight-away", and by the
> capitalisation of "My" after a dash.

Agreed on straight away, but as to the capitalization of "My" in the
following sentence, I'll wait for more feedback:

"A momentary delay," Lady Hamilton said to the bewildered girl. "The
surgeon will attend to your brother and we'll commence straight away –
My! This is a lovely bedchamber, is it not, Lady Ancaster?"

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Robert Lieblich - 24 Jan 2009 15:42 GMT
> >> "The surgeon will attend to your brother and we'll commence
> >> straight-away – My! This is a lovely bedchamber, is it not, Lady
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> >
> Agreed on straight away,

[Since this thread addresses issues of usage, I feel entitled to
respond seriously to it.]

Not "straight away," please.  There's an adverb "straightaway" (no
space; no hyphen) that means "without hesistation or delay."  See, for
example, <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/straightaway>,.
The other two forms (straight-away; straight away) may be sanctioned
somewhere, but when you have a single, unhyphenated word that is
generally accepted, you should go with that.

> but as to the capitalization of "My" in the
> following sentence, I'll wait for more feedback:
>
> "A momentary delay," Lady Hamilton said to the bewildered girl. "The
> surgeon will attend to your brother and we'll commence straight away –
> My! This is a lovely bedchamber, is it not, Lady Ancaster?"

The capital letter following the dash is unusual, but I'd say it fits
in the particular context, where the dash is followed by a change of
topic.  As it happens, that's the form used by court reporters in
transcripts when a witness breaks off one sentence and starts a new
one.

Is the character "Lady Hamilton" Lord Nelson's mistress, a deliberate
allusion to her, or just a coincidence?

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elanders - 24 Jan 2009 16:34 GMT
>>>> "The surgeon will attend to your brother and we'll commence
>>>> straight-away – My! This is a lovely bedchamber, is it not, Lady
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
> Is the character "Lady Hamilton" Lord Nelson's mistress, a deliberate
> allusion to her, or just a coincidence?

Hmm, well, I really don't like the way "straightaway" looks at all.
"Straight away" looks much better and I'm wondering if I can get away
with it?

Opinions ...?

As to the "My!" I used it because again, it looked better.

Can I get some more feedback on this, please?

The point, once again, is whether a capital "My!" can replace the one below.

"The surgeon will attend to your brother and we'll commence straight
away – my! This is a lovely bedchamber, is it not, Lady Ancaster?"

Lady Hamilton and Lord Nelson? I don't know anything about them.

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Alan Jones - 24 Jan 2009 11:17 GMT
> "The surgeon will attend to your brother and we'll commence
> straight-away – My! This is a lovely bedchamber, is it not, Lady
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Is the second one also correct?

Was "My!" used in the period of your story?

Alan Jones
elanders - 24 Jan 2009 11:36 GMT
>> "The surgeon will attend to your brother and we'll commence
>> straight-away – My! This is a lovely bedchamber, is it not, Lady
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Alan Jones

I have no idea what you're asking.

The question is whether a word beginning with a capital is permitted
after a dash.

The question is a generic one.

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kenny - 24 Jan 2009 12:10 GMT
> I have no idea what you're asking.

A few moments thought in this direction might prove beneficial.
elanders - 24 Jan 2009 16:29 GMT
>> I have no idea what you're asking.
>
> A few moments thought in this direction might prove beneficial.

Hey, a.shole, out of the thread, ok?

thanks

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kenny - 25 Jan 2009 09:33 GMT
> >> I have no idea what you're asking.
> >
> > A few moments thought in this direction might prove beneficial.
>
> Hey, a.shole, out of the thread, ok?

Just trying to help a guy seeking help in a public forum but I'n not
sure if there's help for a tin ear.
elanders - 25 Jan 2009 11:01 GMT
>>>> I have no idea what you're asking.
>>> A few moments thought in this direction might prove beneficial.
>> Hey, a.shole, out of the thread, ok?
>>
> Just trying to help a guy seeking help in a public forum but I'n not
> sure if there's help for a tin ear.

Judging from your posts you wouldn't know how to pour piss out of your
boot if there were instructions on the heel, so my call for help was not
intended for you.

EG

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Lew - 26 Jan 2009 01:49 GMT
elanders@zoomtown.com says...
>>>> I have no idea what you're asking.

>>> A few moments thought in this direction might prove beneficial.

elanders@zoomtown.com says...
>> Hey, a.shole, out of the thread, ok?

> Just trying to help a guy seeking help in a public forum but I'n not
> sure if there's help for a tin ear.

Or for a potty mouth.

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Don Phillipson - 24 Jan 2009 16:28 GMT
Alan Jones

> > Was "My!" used in the period of your story?

> I have no idea what you're asking.

AJ asked whether 18th century aristocrats used "My!" as
an expression of surprise and delight (as in context of
the OP's reported speech.)   (But the OP posted earlier
that he does not plan to correct anachronisms.)

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elanders - 24 Jan 2009 17:17 GMT
>  Alan Jones
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> the OP's reported speech.)   (But the OP posted earlier
> that he does not plan to correct anachronisms.)

They probably used phrases like "Jesus f.cking Christ" and "Sonofabitch!".

So should I change all the "My!s" to "Jesus f.cking Christ" and
Sonofabitch!"?

eg

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James Hogg - 24 Jan 2009 16:46 GMT
>> "The surgeon will attend to your brother and we'll commence
>> straight-away – My! This is a lovely bedchamber, is it not, Lady
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Was "My!" used in the period of your story?

Yes. The earliest example in the OED is from 1707.

James
elanders - 25 Jan 2009 00:33 GMT
> "The surgeon will attend to your brother and we'll commence
> straight-away – My! This is a lovely bedchamber, is it not, Lady Ancaster?"
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Is the second one also correct?

And here's something else I'd like to do:

"I'll pay triple – in gold!"

"Will that be first class or steerage, Sir?"

See how I capitalize Sir?
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Can I get away with it?

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tony cooper - 25 Jan 2009 01:40 GMT
>And here's something else I'd like to do:
>
>"I'll pay triple – in gold!"

What other medium of exchange was there in the period?  You say "in
gold!" as if there was some other way to pay.

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Murray Arnow - 25 Jan 2009 01:56 GMT
>>And here's something else I'd like to do:
>>
>>"I'll pay triple – in gold!"
>
>What other medium of exchange was there in the period?  You say "in
>gold!" as if there was some other way to pay.

Silver has long been used that way. I think there's story about 30
silver pieces.
Skitt - 25 Jan 2009 02:10 GMT
>>> And here's something else I'd like to do:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Silver has long been used that way. I think there's story about 30
> silver pieces.

Did it have anything to do with crossing palms?

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R H Draney - 25 Jan 2009 03:57 GMT
Skitt filted:

>>>> And here's something else I'd like to do:
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Did it have anything to do with crossing palms?

That was the previous weekend....r

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elanders - 25 Jan 2009 03:58 GMT
>> And here's something else I'd like to do:
>>
>> "I'll pay triple – in gold!"
>
> What other medium of exchange was there in the period?  You say "in
> gold!" as if there was some other way to pay.

What the hell are you talking about, you blockhead?

How about pound Sterling, shilling, groat, crown (all silver), bank
draft, jewels -- hell even coppers? For that matter, what about a French
livre or ecu? Not to mention a Spanish Real or Peso.

Is that enough for you, stupid?

See, Tony, there are some members of this newsgroup who actually ask
intelligent questions and give good advice -- but not you.

You conistently provide bad advice and ask questions so brain-numbing
stupid, it's a wonder you actually type them yourself.

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tony cooper - 25 Jan 2009 04:23 GMT
>>> And here's something else I'd like to do:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>draft, jewels -- hell even coppers? For that matter, what about a French
>livre or ecu? Not to mention a Spanish Real or Peso.

You're right.  Paying by bank draft never occurred to me.

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elanders - 25 Jan 2009 11:11 GMT
>>>> And here's something else I'd like to do:
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> You're right.  Paying by bank draft never occurred to me.

What subtle point do you think you're making now, Jackass?

Bank notes were around in England since the early 1700s, possibly longer.

EG

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