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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2009Mine or his?
I'm cornfused. Is this "my address" or the "President's address"? http://www.whitehouse.gov/president-obama-delivers-your-weekly-address/  SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland It could be either. It's his from the standpoint of origin (he gave it), but it's yours from the standpoint of possession (you view it). Think of advertising-- A car dealer might say, "We have your car, whatever you want, right here on our lot!" or something like that. > I'm cornfused. Is this "my address" or the "President's address"? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Chuck Riggs > Near Dublin, Ireland >It could be either. It's his from the standpoint of origin (he gave >it), but it's yours from the standpoint of possession (you view it). [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> http://www.whitehouse.gov/president-obama-delivers-your-weekly-address/ I know, but there must be a better way to word it. Were you aware, prpr, that top-posting is frowned upon by the AUE gurus? I believe the subject is covered in the FAQ. There are good and simple reasons for the censure, if you'd like me to explain them. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland > I'm cornfused. Is this "my address" or the "President's address"? > > http://www.whitehouse.gov/president-obama-delivers-your-weekly-address/ Definitely his; I doubt you own the whiehouse.gov domain, Chuck. SignatureRegards John for mail: my initials plus a u e at tpg dot com dot au >> I'm cornfused. Is this "my address" or the "President's address"? >> >> http://www.whitehouse.gov/president-obama-delivers-your-weekly-address/ > > Definitely his; I doubt you own the whiehouse.gov domain, Chuck. It's your address, given to you by your President - it's a gift. It's his in that he orated it; it comprises his words and ideas. The marketing-speak that has it "your" address assumes your acceptance of the gift, and is designed to instill in you, the listener, a sense of identification with and ownership of the ideals and goals that Our Glorious Leader presented. He is your President, of the people, by the people, and for the people, so everything he does as the representative of the people is ours in that sense as well. And of course, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW, Washington, DC, is really our address - it's not like the President owns the place. It's more like your boss insists that you sleep at work and can't go home for at least four years. SignatureLew > And of course, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW, Washington, DC, is really our > address - it's not like the President owns the place. It's more like your > boss insists that you sleep at work and can't go home for at least four > years. Which very conveniently for the President qualifies the housing as tax-free to the employee, since the arrangement is for the convenience of the employer. SignatureRoland Hutchinson Will play viola da gamba for food. NB mail to my.spamtrap [at] verizon.net is heavily filtered to remove spam. If your message looks like spam I may not see it. >> And of course, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW, Washington, DC, is really our >> address - it's not like the President owns the place. It's more like your [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >to the employee, since the arrangement is for the convenience of the >employer. The President, like any other householder, does pay for his own groceries. Unless it's a State Dinner, the President and his family pay for their own meals in the White House. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>> And of course, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW, Washington, DC, is really our >>> address - it's not like the President owns the place. It's more like [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > groceries. Unless it's a State Dinner, the President and his family > pay for their own meals in the White House. At least they get the State Dinners free (and tax-free), rather than having to take half the cost of them as deductable expenses. Employer-benefit rule applies again, I think. SignatureRoland Hutchinson Will play viola da gamba for food. NB mail to my.spamtrap [at] verizon.net is heavily filtered to remove spam. If your message looks like spam I may not see it. >>>> And of course, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW, Washington, DC, is >>>> really our address - it's not like the President owns the place. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > having to take half the cost of them as deductable expenses. > Employer-benefit rule applies again, I think. That's interesting for an underlying assumption. In British etc systems, elected national functionaries, if that's the right word, are self-employed. (Footnote: As I understand it, though I may be corrected, Church of England parish priests and such have until very recently been discriminated against in employment law because their employer is God.) SignatureMike. >Roland Hutchinson wrote: >>> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 00:56:22 -0500, Roland Hutchinson [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >England parish priests and such have until very recently been >discriminated against in employment law because their employer is God.) There's much to be said for a cast-iron, copper-bottomed, gold-plated, index-linked pension guaranteed to last for all eternity (or your money back). SignaturePaul [...] >> (Footnote: As I understand it, though I may be corrected, Church of >> England parish priests and such have until very recently been [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > index-linked pension guaranteed to last for all eternity (or your > money back). Good to see your mercurial mind is on its mettle, as usual. SignatureMike. >[...] >>> (Footnote: As I understand it, though I may be corrected, Church of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Good to see your mercurial mind is on its mettle, as usual. Was that irony? SignatureRobin (BrE) Herts, England >On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:25:48 -0000, "Mike Lyle" ><mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Was that irony? Your silver tongue cannot hide a leading question. SignaturePaul >> [...] >>>> (Footnote: As I understand it, though I may be corrected, Church of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Was that irony? What lead you to that idea? SignatureMike. >>> [...] >>>>> (Footnote: As I understand it, though I may be corrected, Church of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >What lead you to that idea? After discussing pensions I felt a little anti-money. SignatureRobin (BrE) Herts, England >>>> [...] >>>>>> (Footnote: As I understand it, though I may be corrected, Church [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > After discussing pensions I felt a little anti-money. Wel dear me, you'll just have to solder on. SignatureMike. >>>>> [...] >>>>>>> (Footnote: As I understand it, though I may be corrected, Church [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Wel dear me, you'll just have to solder on. Ho ho! You're alloy unto yourself. Cesium and desistium. SignatureRobin (BrE) Herts, England >>>>> And of course, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW, Washington, DC, is >>>>> really our address - it's not like the President owns the place. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > elected national functionaries, if that's the right word, are > self-employed. Never having held high political office myself, I have to confess that I was guessing. For all I know the President may be treated for tax purposes as an independent contractor. SignatureRoland Hutchinson Will play viola da gamba for food. NB mail to my.spamtrap [at] verizon.net is heavily filtered to remove spam. If your message looks like spam I may not see it. >>>>> And of course, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW, Washington, DC, is >>>>> really our address - it's not like the President owns the place. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >elected national functionaries, if that's the right word, are >self-employed. MPs are self-employed. Members of the government are employees of the Crown. >(Footnote: As I understand it, though I may be corrected, Church of >England parish priests and such have until very recently been >discriminated against in employment law because their employer is God.) Against in some ways, in favor of in others. Parish incumbents appointed before a certain date still have the "parson's freehold", which means they *own* their jobs. SignatureDon Aitken Mail to the From: address is not read. To email me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com" >>>>>> And of course, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW, Washington, DC, is >>>>>> really our address - it's not like the President owns the place. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > MPs are self-employed. Members of the government are employees of the > Crown. We have had members of Congress who regarded their office as a sort of self-employment -- at least until they got caught at it. SignatureRoland Hutchinson Will play viola da gamba for food. NB mail to my.spamtrap [at] verizon.net is heavily filtered to remove spam. If your message looks like spam I may not see it. >>> I'm cornfused. Is this "my address" or the "President's address"? >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >address - it's not like the President owns the place. It's more like your >boss insists that you sleep at work and can't go home for at least four years. Terrific, Lew. You gave me my best laugh in several days. Thank you. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland Chuck Riggs filted: >>And of course, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW, Washington, DC, is really our >>address - it's not like the President owns the place. It's more like your >>boss insists that you sleep at work and can't go home for at least four years. > >Terrific, Lew. You gave me my best laugh in several days. Thank you. Can't go home?...I just heard that Dubya spent an aggregate of three of his eight years "on vacation", most of it on his ranch in Crawford....r Signature"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" > >> I'm cornfused. Is this "my address" or the "President's address"? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > It's your address, given to you by your President - it's a gift. It's his in > that he orated Please don't. Will. |
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