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Does half a nation have one oxter?

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barkerplace@hotmail.com - 24 Jan 2009 18:25 GMT
This is a quote from the Irish Times:

'Nothing explains America’s confusion about itself better than that
nation’s insistence on staging the Super Bowl in late January or early
February, when half the nation is up to its oxter in snow.'

Usually, a person is said to be up to his oxters in whatever problem
assails him. So does half a nation have one oxter? Or none?
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com - 24 Jan 2009 19:00 GMT
On Jan 24, 11:25 am, "barkerpl...@hotmail.com"
<barkerpl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> This is a quote from the Irish Times:
>
> 'Nothing explains America’s confusion about itself better than that
> nation’s insistence on staging the Super Bowl in late January or early
> February, when half the nation is up to its oxter in snow.'

Nonsense.  The Super Bowl has always been played in the snow-free half
of the nation or in a covered stadium.

As an illustration of American confusion--whether "American's
confusion about itself" is a good phrase or not--one could say that
our football is traditionally played in the fall and winter, and
people sometimes say that games played in snow are "the way football
is supposed to be", so it's strange that the Super Bowl is always
played without snow.

> Usually, a person is said to be up to his oxters in whatever problem
> assails him. So does half a nation have one oxter? Or none?

I think it was clever of the writer to make it one.

Is it necessary to mention that "oxter" is pretty much unknown in
America, except to readers of Irish literature?

--
Jerry Friedman
Murray Arnow - 24 Jan 2009 19:19 GMT
Jerry Friedman wrote:

>As an illustration of American confusion--whether "American's
>confusion about itself" is a good phrase or not--one could say that
>our football is traditionally played in the fall and winter, and
>people sometimes say that games played in snow are "the way football
>is supposed to be", so it's strange that the Super Bowl is always
>played without snow.

But can that be also claimed for the World Series?
--
Proof that Merkins understand irony
tony cooper - 24 Jan 2009 19:24 GMT
>Is it necessary to mention that "oxter" is pretty much unknown in
>America, except to readers of Irish literature?

Or listeners to Irish folk music (5th verse):

Bryan O'Lynn

Bryan O'Lynn was a gentleman born
He lived at a time when no clothes they were worn,
But as fashion went out, of course Bryan walked in
"Whoo, I'll lead the fashions," says Bryan O'Lynn.

Bryan O'Lynn had no breeches to wear
He got him a sheepskin to make him a pair,
With the fleshy side out and the woolly side in,
"Whoo, they're pleasant and cool." says Bryan O'Lynn.

Bryan O'Lynn had no shirt to his back,
He went to his neighbor's and borrowed a sack
Then he puckered the meal bag up under his chin
"Whoo, they'll take them for ruffles," says Bryan O'Lynn.

Bryan O'Lynn had no hat to his head,
He thought that the pot would do him instead,
Then he murdered a cod for the sake of its fin,
"Whoo, 'twill pass for a feather." says Bryan O'Lynn.

Bryan O'Lynn was hard up for a coat
He borrowed a skin of a neighboring goat
With the horns sticking out from his oxters, and then
"Whoo, they'll take them for pistols,"  says Bryan O'Lynn.

Bryan O'Lynn had no stockings to  wear,
He bought him a rat's skin to make him a pair,
He then drew them on and they fitted his shin,
"Whoo, they're illegant wear,"  says   Bryan O'Lynn.

Bryan O'Lynn had no brogues to his toes,
He hopped on two crab shells to serve him for those,
Then he split up two oysters that matched just like twins,
"Whoo, they'll shine out like buckles," says Bryan O'Lynn.

Bryan O'Lynn had no watch to put on,
He scooped out a turnip to make him a one
Then he planted a cricket in under the skin
"Whoo, they'll think it's a-tickin,"  says Bryan O'Lynn.

Bryan O'Lynn to his house had no door,
He'd the sky for a roof and the bog for a floor,
He'd a way to jump out and a way to swim in,
"Whoo, it's very convanient," says Bryan O'Lynn.

Bryan O'Lynn, his wife, and wife's mother,
They all went home o'er the bridge together,
The bridge it broke down and  they all tumbled in,
"Whoo, we'll go home by water," says Bryan O'Lynn.

Brian O'Lynn and his wife's mother
Went under the bridge to piddle together
One piddled needles and one piddled pins
"That's mighty sharp piddling,"  says Bryan O'Lynn.

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Raymond O'Hara - 24 Jan 2009 20:48 GMT
On Jan 24, 11:25 am, "barkerpl...@hotmail.com"
<barkerpl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> This is a quote from the Irish Times:
>
> 'Nothing explains America’s confusion about itself better than that
> nation’s insistence on staging the Super Bowl in late January or early
> February, when half the nation is up to its oxter in snow.'

Nonsense.  The Super Bowl has always been played in the snow-free half
of the nation or in a covered stadium.

As an illustration of American confusion--whether "American's
confusion about itself" is a good phrase or not--one could say that
our football is traditionally played in the fall and winter, and
people sometimes say that games played in snow are "the way football
is supposed to be", so it's strange that the Super Bowl is always
played without snow.

> Usually, a person is said to be up to his oxters in whatever problem
> assails him. So does half a nation have one oxter? Or none?

I think it was clever of the writer to make it one.

Is it necessary to mention that "oxter" is pretty much unknown in
America, except to readers of Irish literature?

--
Jerry Friedman

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The NFL wants the good weather for the ancillary events and not for the game
itself.
They played in a cold weather city once , Detroit, nobody was pleased going
there.
Before Katrina, New Orleans was the most common choice with Miami a close
second.
They like to pick good party towns.
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com - 25 Jan 2009 15:56 GMT
On Jan 24, 1:48 pm, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> <jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> is supposed to be", so it's strange that theSuperBowlis always
> played without snow.
...

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The NFL wants the good weather for the ancillary events and not for the game
> itself.
> They played in a cold weather city once , Detroit, nobody was pleased going
> there.

There have been two in Detroit (1982 and 2006--okay, the 1982 one was
in Pontiac) and one in Minneapolis.  The 2012 game is scheduled for
Indianapolis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl

I don't know who was or wasn't pleased, but they haven't given up on
cold-weather cities.

> Before Katrina, New Orleans was the most common choice with Miami a close
> second.
> They like to pick good party towns.

But they don't insist.

--
Jerry Friedman
barkerplace@hotmail.com - 25 Jan 2009 00:00 GMT
On Jan 24, 4:00 pm, "jerry_fried...@yahoo.com"
<jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 24, 11:25 am, "barkerpl...@hotmail.com"
>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> --
> Jerry Friedman

Let me apologize for Tom Humphries' poorly judged remark about the
Super Bowl. Perhaps he might have been better advised complaining
about the 2001-2002 AFC Divisional Playoff game instead.
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com - 26 Jan 2009 16:54 GMT
On Jan 24, 5:00 pm, "barkerpl...@hotmail.com"
<barkerpl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 24, 4:00 pm, "jerry_fried...@yahoo.com"
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> > is supposed to be", so it's strange that the Super Bowl is always
> > played without snow.
...

> Let me apologize for Tom Humphries' poorly judged remark about the
> Super Bowl.

No.  You may not apologize for his remark.  So there.

> Perhaps he might have been better advised complaining
> about the 2001-2002 AFC Divisional Playoff game instead.

As long as no one mentions the 1980-81 game.  Definitely don't mention
that game between the Browns and the Raiders.

--
Jerry Friedman is from Cleveland.
Chuck Riggs - 27 Jan 2009 14:38 GMT
>On Jan 24, 5:00 pm, "barkerpl...@hotmail.com"
><barkerpl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>As long as no one mentions the 1980-81 game.  Definitely don't mention
>that game between the Browns and the Raiders.

Don't tell me Cleveland lost.
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Chuck Riggs
Near Dublin, Ireland

barkerplace@hotmail.com - 25 Jan 2009 00:13 GMT
On Jan 24, 4:00 pm, "jerry_fried...@yahoo.com"
<jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 24, 11:25 am, "barkerpl...@hotmail.com"
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> --
> Jerry Friedman

That's about the size of it. My favourite oxter moment comes from At
Swim-Two-Birds:

'Till a man has accomplished twelve books of poetry, the same is not
taken for want of poetry but is forced away. No man is taken till a
black hole is hollowed in the world to the depth of his two oxters and
he put into it to gaze from it with his lonely head and nothing to him
but his shield and a stick of hazel.'
Chuck Riggs - 25 Jan 2009 14:49 GMT
>On Jan 24, 11:25 am, "barkerpl...@hotmail.com"
><barkerpl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Nonsense.  The Super Bowl has always been played in the snow-free half
>of the nation or in a covered stadium.

Wasn't an early Green Bay Packers Super Bowl played in the snow?

<snip>
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Regards,

Chuck Riggs
Near Dublin, Ireland

Raymond O'Hara - 25 Jan 2009 15:02 GMT
>>On Jan 24, 11:25 am, "barkerpl...@hotmail.com"
>><barkerpl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> <snip>

No, you are thinking of the NFL championship game vs Dallas for the right to
go to the S.B.
SB I was in the L.A. Coliseum
S.B II was in the Miami Orange Bowl.
Chuck Riggs - 26 Jan 2009 15:16 GMT
>>>On Jan 24, 11:25 am, "barkerpl...@hotmail.com"
>>><barkerpl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>No, you are thinking of the NFL championship game vs Dallas for the right to
>go to the S.B.

Perhaps I was. Thanks, Raymond.

> SB I was in the L.A. Coliseum
>S.B II was in the Miami Orange Bowl.
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Regards,

Chuck Riggs
Near Dublin, Ireland

R H Draney - 25 Jan 2009 15:31 GMT
Chuck Riggs filted:

>>On Jan 24, 11:25 am, "barkerpl...@hotmail.com"
>><barkerpl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Wasn't an early Green Bay Packers Super Bowl played in the snow?

Perhaps, but there's no reason it would have been necessary...while Green Bay is
famous for its snowy weather, no Super Bowl has ever been played in the home
stadium of either of the teams participating....r

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Chuck Riggs - 26 Jan 2009 15:15 GMT
>Chuck Riggs filted:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>famous for its snowy weather, no Super Bowl has ever been played in the home
>stadium of either of the teams participating....r

Ah-ha. True, of course, now that I think about it.
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Chuck Riggs
Near Dublin, Ireland

Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 24 Jan 2009 19:35 GMT
>Usually, a person is said to be up to his oxters in whatever problem
>assails him. So does half a nation have one oxter? Or none?

It depends on how the nation is halved.

If it is cleaved from head to crotch then each half has an oxter.

If it is chopped at the midriff into a top half and a bottom half then one
half has two oxters and the other none.

If the upper part of the nation considers itself too superior to have oxters
then decapitation is appropriate, leaving the lower portion with the oxters.

Oxters should not be confused with oxers. An oxer is type of jump used in show
jumping (equestrianism). If a horse performs a nicely judged refusal its rider
may fly over the horse's head and land up to the oxters in the oxer.

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Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

Raymond O'Hara - 24 Jan 2009 20:42 GMT
This is a quote from the Irish Times:

'Nothing explains America’s confusion about itself better than that
nation’s insistence on staging the Super Bowl in late January or early
February, when half the nation is up to its oxter in snow.'

Usually, a person is said to be up to his oxters in whatever problem
assails him. So does half a nation have one oxter? Or none?

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Being snowed in just means better TV ratings and actually we are quite able
to deal with snow.
Frank ess - 24 Jan 2009 20:56 GMT
> Being snowed in just means better TV ratings and actually we are
> quite able to deal with snow.

Turd in your pocket?
Raymond O'Hara - 24 Jan 2009 21:01 GMT
>> Being snowed in just means better TV ratings and actually we are
>> quite able to deal with snow.
>
> Turd in your pocket?

?
Is that supposed to be witty?
Frank ess - 24 Jan 2009 21:42 GMT
>>> Being snowed in just means better TV ratings and actually we are
>>> quite able to deal with snow.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> ?
> Is that supposed to be witty?

What do you think?
Raymond O'Hara - 25 Jan 2009 03:09 GMT
>>>> Being snowed in just means better TV ratings and actually we are
>>>> quite able to deal with snow.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> What do you think?

I think you'd need to double your prowess to achieve half-wit status.
Frank ess - 25 Jan 2009 06:03 GMT
>>>>> Being snowed in just means better TV ratings and actually we are
>>>>> quite able to deal with snow.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I think you'd need to double your prowess to achieve half-wit
> status.

Very nice. My standard response to your standard "wit" is the
standard, "Yes, and together we'll make a half-wit".

I apologize for the first question. It wasn't intended to be "witty";
as one obnoxious American to another, I wanted to suggest you not
speak for anyone other than yourself, unless there's been a vote.

I have since discovered the aue convention is to ask, "You and your
tapeworm?"

So, you and your tapeworm can handle the snow, eh?

Good job.

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