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Hello: How does one call the type of (Western, cow-boy?) tie that Balanchine wears here: http://www.medaloffreedom.com/GeorgeBalanchineTime.jpg Thanks. Marius Hancu > Hello: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Thanks. > Marius Hancu It's a western bow tie or western style bow tie. http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&q=western+bow+tie&btnG=Search+Images On Jan 26, 11:55 am, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote: > It's a western bow tie or western style bow tie. Thanks. Great pics:-) Marius Hancu > Hello: > > How does one call the type of (Western, cow-boy?) tie that Balanchine > wears here: > > http://www.medaloffreedom.com/GeorgeBalanchineTime.jpg I had to look at the picture to see what you meant for sure. http://site.netopia.com/americanboot/boloties/ This site has "bolo ties", or what I call "string ties". But it also has "The Colonel" and "Doc Holiday" ties, which appear to be closer to the artist's or painter's ribbon ties that Balanchine is portrayed with, although those on the website are not as droopy as Balanchine's. And when I say "artist's" ties, I think I am really picturing the tie on the artist's smock. http://www.oasis-frontier.com/gambler_ties.html More varieties here. Pat >Hello: > >How does one call the type of (Western, cow-boy?) tie that Balanchine >wears here: > >http://www.medaloffreedom.com/GeorgeBalanchineTime.jpg I would call it a "string tie". http://tinyurl.com/dze4ep Some have said "bolo tie", but that - to me - a lanyard-type with sliding stay. Yours is a tie that is tied.  SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida > On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:38:20 -0800 (PST), Marius Hancu > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > -- > Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida To me, and the other woman I asked, the lanyard-type with sliding stay is a string tie. Terminology may change from place to place, though. Google Images: "string tie" and you get both ties! One image that uses a bow is called a "Western string tie." Do the same with "bolo tie" and all the pictures are of the lanyard type, or of the slider part. One of those images is labeled "string bolo tie"! On Jan 26, 11:39 am, tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:38:20 -0800 (PST), Marius Hancu > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > -- > Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida To me, and the other woman I asked, the lanyard-type with sliding stay is a string tie. Terminology may change from place to place, though. Google Images: "string tie" and you get both ties! One image that uses a bow is called a "Western string tie." Do the same with "bolo tie" and all the pictures are of the lanyard type, or of the slider part. One of those images is labeled "string bolo tie"! ========================================================================= My usage is the same as yours, a string tie is a string with a slider. >>Hello: >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Some have said "bolo tie", but that - to me - a lanyard-type with > sliding stay. Yours is a tie that is tied. A string tie is just that a string see here. http://i1.iofferphoto.com/img/item/164/683/62/o_MasonicStringTie.jpg >>>Hello: >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >see here. >http://i1.iofferphoto.com/img/item/164/683/62/o_MasonicStringTie.jpg Replace that slide with a steer's head and it's a bolo tie. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>>>Hello: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> > Replace that slide with a steer's head and it's a bolo tie. I've never heard bolo tie, it was always a string tie. >>> A string tie is just that a string >>> see here. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I've never heard bolo tie, it was always a string tie. You haven't mixed with the right people, then. SignatureSkitt (AmE) Round, round, get around, I get around, oo oo oo ... >>>> A string tie is just that a string >>>> see here. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You haven't mixed with the right people, then. New Englanders are the right people as I see it. On Jan 26, 6:28 pm, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>>> A string tie is just that a string > >>>> see here. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > New Englanders are the right people as I see it. I grew up in New England (southern Maine), and we called them bolo ties. Before reading this thread, I would have assumed that a speaker saying "string tie" was searching for a word he or she didn't know or had forgotten. I would have guessed that the term "bolo" would be pretty prevalent across the United States, as they're called by that name in the Boy Scouts of America uniform. For example: http://www.scoutstuff.org/BSASupply/default.aspx?cat01RTL&ctgy=PRODUCTS&c2=UNIFO RMS&c3=UNECKERCHIEFS&c4=&LV=3 I was never a member, but outside of western wear they're the only ones I've ever seen wearing the things, so the terminology in my life came from them. In article <46e5513c-c501-4692-b2a9-dbf118f3f814 @o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, sjdevnull@yahoo.com says... > I would have guessed that the term "bolo" would be pretty prevalent > across the United States, as they're called by that name in the Boy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ones I've ever seen wearing the things, so the terminology in my life > came from them. They sure make Boy Scouts different over your side. > In article <46e5513c-c501-4692-b2a9-dbf118f3f814 > @o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, sjdevnull@yahoo.com says... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> > They sure make Boy Scouts different over your side. Vive la difference! Reckon she woggles? SignatureMike. >> In article <46e5513c-c501-4692-b2a9-dbf118f3f814 >> @o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, sjdevnull@yahoo.com says... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Vive la difference! Reckon she woggles? Apparently they don't woggle. They "neckerchief slide". I have a special metal woggle which I got at a jamboree when I was a cub, about 1965. I also met Chris Trace and Honey and got a half-second flash of myself on the Blue Peter report. SignatureDavid [ ... ] > I have a special metal woggle which I got at a jamboree when I was a > cub, about 1965. I also met Chris Trace and Honey and got a half-second > flash of myself on the Blue Peter report. Somebody reported that you had a blue peter? I think I'm missing something. SignatureBob Lieblich Ensnared in AmE >[ ... ] > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >I think I'm missing something. _Blue Peter_, a BBC children's TV show of almost cosmic influence (OK, that's slightly OTT): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Peter David met Christopher Trace, one of the first two presenters of the show, and appeared briefly in the televised report of the jamboree. Honey was a dog: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Peter_pets#Guide_dogs The programme has had a long association with guide dogs, which stretches back to 1964 captivating millions of viewers and helping to transform the lives of thousands of visually impaired people. The first Blue Peter guide dog puppy was Honey, whose training was charted by Valerie Singleton on the programme in 1964. Christopher Trace, Honey and Valerie Singleton: http://tinyurl.com/conq87 SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >> [ ... ] >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > _Blue Peter_, a BBC children's TV show of almost cosmic influence (OK, that's > slightly OTT): I'm not sure you exaggerate. The wide-reaching influence of Blue Peter over 50 years is considerable. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Peter > > David met Christopher Trace, one of the first two presenters of the show, and > appeared briefly in the televised report of the jamboree. ... After some ill-advised investments which made him bankrupt, Chris Trace dropped out of broadcasting and ended his working life as general manager of a small engineering company. It's my belief that the Blue Peter Gold Badge is the last remaining national honour of unquestioned value. Unless I miss my target, every Brit here would be overwhelmed to be given one and would flaunt it at every possible opportunity, which is just Not On for OBEs and the like. They gave one to the Queen, who isn't used to getting gongs she didn't sign herself. SignatureDavid > Omrud wrote: >> I have a special metal woggle which I got at a jamboree when I was a >> cub, about 1965. I also met Chris Trace and Honey and got a half-second >> flash of myself on the Blue Peter report. > Somebody reported that you had a blue peter? > I think I'm missing something. An affliction exclusive to males which spreads from elsewhere with age, especially advancing age. SignaturePurl Gurl -- This is to the native American poster who I believe to be a woman, but for some reason is gotten up like Groucho Marx: Excuse me? -- Margo Howard, 11/19/2008 >> Omrud wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >An affliction exclusive to males which spreads >from elsewhere with age, especially advancing age. That we miss some things or that our peters turn blue? SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland >> Omrud wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >An affliction exclusive to males which spreads >from elsewhere with age, especially advancing age. Hello. I am Peter. Although I am of advanced age no part of me has turned blue. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) > [ ... ] > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I think I'm missing something. OK, as a naval man, you can tell us what US mariners call the International Code flag for "P". (OT, I've always liked the order "All hands repair on board". It's nearly as good as "I am free from infectious diseases and request free pratique.") SignatureMike. [ ... ] > OK, as a naval man, you can tell us what US mariners call the > International Code flag for "P". In my day, us military mariners called it "Papa," accent on the first syllable. > (OT, I've always liked the order "All > hands repair on board". It's nearly as good as "I am free from > infectious diseases and request free pratique.") And the inevitable "Titivate ship." SignatureBob Lieblich Request permission to come aboard > [ ... ] > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > In my day, us military mariners called it "Papa," accent on the first > syllable. OK, here, too, of course. But was there a time when the flag /was/ called "the blue Peter" in US bottoms? (I've always wanted to use that expression. I remember back at school we had to do a speech of Demosthenes in a case involving what we were delighted to learn was called "bottomry".) >> (OT, I've always liked the order "All >> hands repair on board". It's nearly as good as "I am free from >> infectious diseases and request free pratique.") > > And the inevitable "Titivate ship." SignatureMike. >> [ ... ] >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >had to do a speech of Demosthenes in a case involving what we were >delighted to learn was called "bottomry".) According to Basil Fawlty, the Greeks invented that. James (BrE) >> In article <46e5513c-c501-4692-b2a9-dbf118f3f814 >> @o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, sjdevnull@yahoo.com says... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Vive la difference! Reckon she woggles? Probably. And she will be prepared. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >>>> A string tie is just that a string >>>> see here. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >You haven't mixed with the right people, then. Yeah, right. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland >>>>>Hello: >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >I've never heard bolo tie, it was always a string tie. I've heard both terms. I think one is much like the other. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland >>>>Hello: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >Replace that slide with a steer's head and it's a bolo tie. It doesn't matter what the slide is, it's a bolo tie. Bolo ties have the metal ferrules on the ends of the "strings", too. Useless trivia of the day: The bolo tie is the official state neckwear of Arizona. Signature************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * >>Hello: >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Some have said "bolo tie", but that - to me - a lanyard-type with >sliding stay. Yours is a tie that is tied. Doesn't a "lanyard", in this context but not the sailing one, hold a whistle, charm or something of that nature? SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland > Hello: > > How does one call the type of (Western, cow-boy?) tie that Balanchine > wears here: > > http://www.medaloffreedom.com/GeorgeBalanchineTime.jpg <loudly> Here, tie! Here, tie! ;-) Others have answered more seriously. SignatureSkitt (AmE) >Hello: > >How does one call the type of (Western, cow-boy?) tie that Balanchine >wears here: > >http://www.medaloffreedom.com/GeorgeBalanchineTime.jpg Nobody from the UK has responded (up to this point). I've heard it called a 'bootlace tie', along the lines of Tony's 'string tie'. SignatureRobin (BrE) Herts, England >>Hello: >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >Nobody from the UK has responded (up to this point). I would hope not. Surely, the British have better fashion sense than to adopt such a thing. >I've heard it >called a 'bootlace tie', along the lines of Tony's 'string tie'. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>>Hello: >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>I've heard it >>called a 'bootlace tie', along the lines of Tony's 'string tie'. Only cowboys and boy scouts wear string ties as far as I know. >>>>Hello: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Only cowboys and boy scouts wear string ties as far as I know. Don't forget coon hunters. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland >> Only cowboys and boy scouts wear string ties as far as I know. > > Don't forget coon hunters. And a lot of oil drillers. Those I've met, mostly from Texas and Oklahoma, called them string ties. I haven't heard of bolo ties before. It might be an interesting question for that dialect map project. SignatureRegards John for mail: my initials plus a u e at tpg dot com dot au >>> Only cowboys and boy scouts wear string ties as far as I know. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Oklahoma, called them string ties. I haven't heard of bolo ties before. >It might be an interesting question for that dialect map project. I've seen them for sale in New Mexico. I associate them with Dime Store Cowboys, but I believe the real thing still wear them. More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolo_tie SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland >>>>Hello: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Only cowboys and boy scouts wear string ties as far as I know. If you mean bolo ties they're worn somewhat often in Arizona, generally in connection with some western-style clothing. I doubt if any self-respecting cowboy would wear a tie of any type at all. Here in Tucson we almost all have western outfits in our closet that we dutifully drag out and wear during Rodeo Week. I do see quite a few bolos at that time, but mostly on the holiday "cowboys". "If you get an outfit you can be a cowboy, too." Signature************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * >>> Hello: >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I would hope not. Surely, the British have better fashion sense than > to adopt such a thing. I have one in a drawer,somewhere, which I wore when playing in the band for "Calamity Jane". SignatureRay UK She enjoyed the performance. >>>Hello: >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I would hope not. Surely, the British have better fashion sense than >to adopt such a thing. Shitfire, they have better sense even in Virginia. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland >>>Hello: >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I would hope not. Surely, the British have better fashion sense than > to adopt such a thing. Not a bit of it. They used to be called teddy-boy, bootlace or cowboy ties, and you can still get them: <http://www.fastfancydress.co.uk/Accessories/FancyDressAccessories/\\ CowboysandIndians/BootlaceTeddyBoyorCowboytie.html> <http://tinyurl.com/c9j8kk> You can read about Teddy Boys (or "Teds") here: <http://www.retrowow.co.uk/retro_style/50s/teddy_boy.html> [quote] Teds wore drainpipe trousers and narrow ties, often with horizontal stripes. Sometimes they wore an American style bootlace tie as an alternative. Thick crepe-soled suede shoes, known as brothel creepers completed the outfit. [...] The Teddy Boy was the first modern youth cult. Teds are associated with Rock'n'Roll, but the style came before the music. Rock'n'Roll was adopted by the Teds from 1955 when the film, Blackboard Jungle, was first shown in cinemas in the UK. They ripped up seats and danced to Bill Haley's music, which was played at the end of the film. [endquote] The "narrow ties" were known as slim jims. Maybe some of the ex-Teds contributing to this newsgroup will be able to fill us in. >>I've heard it >>called a 'bootlace tie', along the lines of Tony's 'string tie'. SignatureLes (BrE) >>Hello: >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Nobody from the UK has responded (up to this point). I've heard it > called a 'bootlace tie', along the lines of Tony's 'string tie'. What I've found interesting is everybody is calling them ties, not neckties. Is it just the bare "tie" that doesn't work in AmE and any qualifier will do, with "neck" being a default? SignatureOnline waterways route planner: http://canalplan.org.uk development version: http://canalplan.eu >>> Hello: >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > neckties. Is it just the bare "tie" that doesn't work in AmE and any > qualifier will do, with "neck" being a default? A bare "tie" for neckwear works just fine in AmE, unless there's a need to specify its type. SignatureSkitt (AmE) >>>> Hello: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > A bare "tie" for neckwear works just fine in AmE, unless there's a > need to specify its type. As "kerchief" for "handkerchief" or "neckerchief" (I /did/ see that somewhere here, didn't I?)? Skitt wrote on Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:32:16 -0800: >>>> Hello: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> work in AmE and any qualifier will do, with "neck" being a >> default? > A bare "tie" for neckwear works just fine in AmE, unless > there's a need to specify its type. Not a word I find much use for. I don't think I need a whole hand to count the number of times I have used a tie (or necktie) in the last year. I admit that, looking in my closet, I do own five of them. SignatureJames Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not >>>>> How does one call the type of (Western, cow-boy?) tie that >>>>> Balanchine wears here: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > count the number of times I have used a tie (or necktie) in the last > year. I admit that, looking in my closet, I do own five of them. I have at least a dozen in my closet, plus a couple of string ties, but I don't remember having worn a tie in the last several years. The last time I wore one was either at a wedding or a funeral. SignatureSkitt (AmE) used to tie one on more often than wear one >>>>>> How does one call the type of (Western, cow-boy?) tie that >>>>>> Balanchine wears here: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >don't remember having worn a tie in the last several years. The last time I >wore one was either at a wedding or a funeral. Your tie could have done double duty on October 17, 1964. Our church wedding was delayed while a funeral mass was conducted. Come early, stay late, and enjoy both. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida > >>Hello: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > neckties. Is it just the bare "tie" that doesn't work in AmE and any > qualifier will do, with "neck" being a default? Necktie to me carries the implication of a standard modern long tie, though it can (much more rarely) be used to mean any sort of tie worn about the neck. If my bow tie (or bolo tie) was loose, it'd sound odd for someone to say "your necktie is undone." I've certainly never heard constructions like "bow necktie". Something like "a bow tie is a kind of necktie" would be okay, but "we sell bow ties and neckties" is also fine and uses necktie in the more common sense. AmE, Maine, Pittsburgh, Virginia |
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