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Marius Hancu - 31 Jan 2009 15:16 GMT
Hello:

Would:
"be about as an independent person"
work for
"exist as an independent person?"

I found this:
--------
No, not to me, because I sort of claim to be about as decentralized
minded person as anyone who exists, because I have faith in the people
down there. ...

Independent Offices Appropriation Bill for 1949: Hearings Before
the ...‎
by United States Congress.
--------

Thanks.
Marius Hancu
James Hogg - 31 Jan 2009 15:37 GMT
>Hello:
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>the ...ý
>by United States Congress.

The idiom here is what you would find in:
"I'm ((just) about) as liberal as the next man."

The sentence is strange because it lacks an indefinite article
(and a hyphen):

"I sort of claim to be about as decentralized-minded a person as
anyone who exists."

James
(BrE with a distinctly septentrional flavour)
Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 31 Jan 2009 16:06 GMT
>>Hello:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>"I sort of claim to be about as decentralized-minded a person as
>anyone who exists."

Yes. Even so, "decentralized-minded" is odd. It suggests that the speaker has
a decentralized mind. "decentralization-minded" might be better.

"I sort of claim to be about as decentralization-minded a person as anyone who
exists."

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Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

James Hogg - 31 Jan 2009 16:38 GMT
>>>Hello:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>"I sort of claim to be about as decentralization-minded a person as anyone who
>exists."

Yes, it could certainly be improved. This is a transcript of what
someone said, thinking as he went along. I wonder how much
liberty secretaries took/take in correcting sentences like this
when turning them into written language in court records,
Hansard, etc.

James
(BrE with a distinctly septentrional flavour)
Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 31 Jan 2009 17:23 GMT
> I wonder how much
>liberty secretaries took/take in correcting sentences like this
>when turning them into written language in court records,
>Hansard, etc.

I think court records have to be exact. From time to time in AUE we have had
requests for assistance from someone whose job was to produce transcripts of
audio recordings of court proceedings. She would hear spoken sounds that she
didn't recognise as words. She would give the context and an indication of the
sounds. Often someone here would recognise the word.

I believe that Hansard scribes are more active in making the incoherent
coherent.

For many years I was secretary to a university committee. I had the essential
assistance of a shorthand taker. The transcripts from the shorthand taker were
direct speech but I used them as the basis for the minutes which were written
in indirect speech. Very occasionally a member would insist on being quoted
verbatim but most of the time members were happy with my summarisation of
their discussions. There was one occasion when a heated argument broke out.
The chairman allowed it to continue for about three-quarters of an hour. After
a few minutes the shorthand taker looked at me pleadingly. I told her to stop
taking notes until the argument was over. I made a few longhand notes. The
minute of that item was one of the briefest I have written for a discussion:

   A said ....
   B disagreed, saying ....
   A lively debate ensued.
   No agreement was reached.

At the next meeting the minutes were approved without discussion.

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Robert Lieblich - 31 Jan 2009 15:57 GMT
> Hello:
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> the ...ý
> by United States Congress.

I think you've missed the meaning of this usage, Marius.  It's an
idiomatic usage, intended to indicate that the person making the claim
is superior to most others.  The speaker is saying that few people are
as "decentralized minded" (strange phrase) as he is.  If I say "I'm
about as funny a poster as you'll find in AUE" (not necessarily true,
but it's an example), what I'm saying is that very few AUE posters are
funnier than I am.  The critical phrase in the example sentence starts
with "about" and ends with "exists."  (You can delete "as exists" and
the meaning won't change.)

Without the comparison to others, the phrase would have no meaning.
This sentence: "I'm about as decentralized minded" is nonsense without
something to complete it. The comparison doesn't have to be explicit ;
"I'm about as decentralized minded as you can get."  You can also omit
"about": "I'm as decentralized inded as anyone."  It claims
superiority over or equality with everyone, whereas the addition of
"about" allows for exceptions.

I fear I have failed the elanders brevity test once again, but perhaps
this will be of some assistance.

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Bob Lieblich
About as longwinded as anyone in AUE

Frank ess - 31 Jan 2009 17:59 GMT
>> Hello:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>> minded person as anyone who exists, because I have faith in the
>> people down there. ...

It's missing an "a", I think: " ... I sort of claim to be about as
decentralized
minded _a_ person as anyone ... "

[ ... ]

> I think you've missed the meaning of this usage, Marius.  It's an
> idiomatic usage, intended to indicate that the person making the
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> I fear I have failed the elanders brevity test once again, but
> perhaps this will be of some assistance.

elanders who?

The idea in "about as xxx a yyy as you want to meet" is that xxx
embodies an approximation of xxx-ness of as great or greater intensity
than ordinary yyys would be expected to exhibit.

That's about as lucid an explanation as you'll get from me.

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