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Discussion Groups / English Usage / February 2009Cadillac and 3-wheelers
I just wrote this: Trying to [...] while struggling with [...] felt like sitting in a Cadillac spinning its wheels in a mud hole, being outrun by squeaking 3-wheeled bikes with coffee-cup logos. Do 3-wheeled bikes squeak when not properly oiled? Is Cadillac a suitable brand for this metaphor, or is it an outdated brand you would frown at? Are you familiar with 3-wheeled bikes out there in the big world, or are they a geographically limited family? Does the word associate with the pre-school child vehicles I'm thinking of or does it make you think of rickshaws or delivery bikes? The "outrun" word is not what I intended, I just couldn't find an english word for the danish "overhale" - it's what you do when you're driving behind a car which goes slower than you want to go - you go in the next (inner or opposite) lane, speed up and and get past it. I assume there is a specific english word for that maneuvre, I just couldn't find it. Danish has an idiom, "give rear-wheels", for demonstratively "overhaling" someone, i.e. show him the back side of your car. I'll do that to the 3-wheelers in the next chapter, in my Cadillac. But what's the phrase to use? The coffee-cup logos refer to the Java programming language, which is mentioned elsewhere in the paper as one of my not so favorite things. >I just wrote this: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >with the pre-school child vehicles I'm thinking of or does it make >you think of rickshaws or delivery bikes? It makes me think of old people. The three-wheeler the pre-schooler pedals is a trike, not a bike. This <http://www.hylandbikes.com/images/3whl_torkertristar500.jpg > is what an older person would ride. >The "outrun" word is not what I intended, I just couldn't find an >english word for the danish "overhale" - it's what you do when >you're driving behind a car which goes slower than you want >to go - you go in the next (inner or opposite) lane, speed up >and and get past it. I assume there is a specific english word >for that maneuvre, I just couldn't find it. Overtaking, or - in your sentence - overtaken.  SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida > The three-wheeler the pre-schooler pedals is a trike, not a bike. <jens@alesia.dk> wrote: > [...] your toy is usually called a tricycle, at least in > Cadillac country. Would "kindergarten tricycle" or "nursery tricycle" or something like that be suitable? Here's an advert, showing a boy on one:: http://www.lillebi.dk/udeleg/ready-2-ride-trehjulet-cykel-fra-radio-flyer.ashx >> The three-wheeler the pre-schooler pedals is a trike, not a bike. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Would "kindergarten tricycle" or "nursery tricycle" or something > like that be suitable? It would not. A tricycle is a tricycle is a tricycle. I don't know about other dialects, but I've never heard "kindergarten tricycle" or "nursery tricycle" in the U.S. <http://www.lillebi.dk/udeleg/ready-2-ride-trehjulet-cykel-fra-radio-flyer.ashx> This is alt.usage.english. Shouldn't you link to a site in English? SignatureLew >>> The three-wheeler the pre-schooler pedals is a trike, not a bike. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >This is alt.usage.english. Shouldn't you link to a site in English? The photograph needs no translation. It's a child's tricycle. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> > A tricycle is a tricycle is a tricycle. Thanks - a tricycle it is, then. And the car is simply a sports car, to save me from worries about the popularity of car brands. > <http://www.lillebi.dk/udeleg/ready-2-ride-trehjulet-cykel-fra-radio-flyer.ashx> > > This is alt.usage.english. Shouldn't you link to a site in English? I tried - but this picture was far better than anything I could find in English. Ole Nielsby filted: >Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >I tried - but this picture was far better than anything I could find >in English. Better than this? http://remmeh.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/tricycle_2.jpg Or this, a three-wheeled vehicle suitable for an adult rider? http://www.powerandleisure.co.uk/acatalog/Tricycle%20Red%20side%20view%20600%20p ixel.jpg Motorized and with a cabin including passenger seating: http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00cMZtkTaBaEgAM/Tricycle-Tri-Motorcycle-J X200CC-.jpg Here's a variation, with two wheels in the front and one in the back: http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/PWO3777.jpg I see a lot of these in predominantly Hispanic neighborhoods, selling ice cream....r Signature"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" >> The three-wheeler the pre-schooler pedals is a trike, not a bike. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > http://www.lillebi.dk/udeleg/ready-2-ride-trehjulet-cykel-fra-radio-flyer.ashx Look at the bike at the top, it's a 3 wheel delivery bike. http://www.industrialbicycles.com/ >> The three-wheeler the pre-schooler pedals is a trike, not a bike. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >http://www.lillebi.dk/udeleg/ready-2-ride-trehjulet-cykel-fra-radio-flyer.ashx That's a tricycle or a trike (slang). The three-wheeled motorcycles are called "trikes" as a slang term. The tricycles that adults ride (as in the image I linked to) are called "adult tricycles". Without some additional context,the word "tricycle" or "trike" would taken to mean the children's tricycle. You don't need to add "kindergarten" or "nursery". For clarity, if I understand what you are trying to say, you might write: I felt like I was sitting in a Cadillac, spinning my wheels in a mudhole, and watching a child on a tricycle passing me by. I can't work in the Java thing because I have no idea what you mean by that. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida > >> The three-wheeler the pre-schooler pedals is a trike, not a bike. > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > mean the children's tricycle. You don't need to add "kindergarten" or > "nursery". Another example of loan words acquiring more specialized meanings. In Dutch and French a 'trike' (and perhaps other languages) is exclusively the big motorcycle. (and there is no other word for it) Jan tony cooper wrote, in part: > Ole Nielsby wrote, in part: >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > <http://www.hylandbikes.com/images/3whl_torkertristar500.jpg > is what > an older person would ride. Or something like this one: http://www.islandsportshop.com/Images/PAV.jpg or this one: http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/758/310796.JPG Note the seat (on both of the above) is not a bicycle seat. My neighbor has a three-wheeler that's similar, in some ways, to both. I offered to trade my bike for his trike. He laughed. I took that as a "no." SignatureMaria Conlon >>I just wrote this: >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Overtaking, or - in your sentence - overtaken. Delivery bicycles are common in NYC and many are three-wheelers supporting a box to hold the product. Ice cream and pretzel vendors use similar vehicles. http://www.industrialbicycles.com/ > On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:26:54 +0100, "Ole Nielsby" > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > -- > Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida Doesn't anyone else remember the song "Beep, Beep"? The Playmates, 1958: "While riding in my Cadillac, What to my surprise, A little Nash Rambler* was following me, About one-third my size. The guy must have wanted to pass me up..." http://www.lyricsdownload.com/the-playmates-beep-beep-lyrics.html *Nash Rambler -- a very small car for its time, when there were only a few Volkswagen Beetles in the country, and the compact car had not yet been offered. On 16 Feb 2009, Cece wrote > On Feb 14, 2:58 pm, tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > Doesn't anyone else remember the song "Beep, Beep"? The > Playmates, 1958: Yup; I responded to RH Draney's allusion to it yesterday in another part of this thread. SignatureCheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed > > On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:26:54 +0100, "Ole Nielsby" > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > "While riding in my Cadillac, > What to my surprise, Huh? > A little Nash Rambler* was following me, > About one-third my size. > The guy must have wanted to pass me up..." > > http://www.lyricsdownload.com/the-playmates-beep-beep-lyrics.html ... It was floating around in the cream soup I call my mind, especially "a Cadillac is not a car for sport", but getting mixed up with "Hot Rod Lincoln". -- Jerry Friedman >> Doesn't anyone else remember the song "Beep, Beep"? The Playmates, >> 1958: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Huh? That's what they sang. (I just checked on my iPod.) It never made much sense to me, either. >> A little Nash Rambler* was following me, >> About one-third my size. >> The guy must have wanted to pass me up..." >> >> http://www.lyricsdownload.com/the-playmates-beep-beep-lyrics.html The lyrics on that page appear to be correct except that both places that it says "pass me up", they actually sing "pass me out", which also seems weird. > It was floating around in the cream soup I call my mind, especially "a > Cadillac is not a car for sport", "... not a car to scorn", as I presume you realize. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |This isn't good. I've seen good, 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |and it didn't look anything like Palo Alto, CA 94304 |this. | MST3K kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ >>> Doesn't anyone else remember the song "Beep, Beep"? The Playmates, >>> 1958: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >that it says "pass me up", they actually sing "pass me out", which >also seems weird. That is what I remember from the UK-released version. It seemed wierd to me, too. SignatureDon Aitken Mail to the From: address is not read. To email me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com" > "jerry_fried...@yahoo.com" <jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> writes: > >> Doesn't anyone else remember the song "Beep, Beep"? The Playmates, [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ I owned the 45 and played it many times. I always heard it as "pass me up." >> "jerry_fried...@yahoo.com" <jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> writes: >>>> Doesn't anyone else remember the song "Beep, Beep"? The Playmates, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > I owned the 45 and played it many times. I always heard it as "pass > me up." Oh wow. Oh wow. Rush to http://www.spotify.com/en/ and install the player. You can listen to just about any recording you can think of. I'm listening to the Playmates' Beep Beep at the moment. It's free if you're prepared to listen to adverts, although I've been playing with it for 15 mins and I haven't head one yet. Oh, yes, there's one - once it's started you can't interrupt it. It is very clearly "pass me out". This is the US version with "Nash Rambler. I'm delving into my knowledge of obscure early composers. So far, the only one it hasn't found is the Portuguese, Antonio Teixeira. SignatureDavid meal-twit: http://twitter.com/omrud > Oh wow. Oh wow. Rush to http://www.spotify.com/en/ and install the > player. You can listen to just about any recording you can think of. Thanks for the thought, but it says: "Not available in your country yet." It doesn't even work via http://www.surfhawk.info/ . That gives a 404. Maybe it's only for UK surfers. SignatureRegards John for mail: my initials plus a u e at tpg dot com dot au >> Oh wow. Oh wow. Rush to http://www.spotify.com/en/ and install the >> player. You can listen to just about any recording you can think of. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Maybe it's only for UK surfers. I've been checking reviews - it seems that it's currently available in only a few European countries. I'm currently listening to a Josquin des Pres album. <grin> SignatureDavid >> On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:26:54 +0100, "Ole Nielsby" >> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >few Volkswagen Beetles in the country, and the compact car had not yet >been offered. They (or possibly somebody else) did another version for the international market, particularly places where broadcasters would not use records if the lyric contained trade names (the BBC had that rule then). "Cadillac" became "limousine" and "Nash rambler" became "bubble car". That version was a hit in the UK. I pestered my parents to buy it when I was about 11. Similarly, "Does your Spearmint lose its flavor ... " became "Does your chewing gum ..." in this country. SignatureDon Aitken Mail to the From: address is not read. To email me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com" Don Aitken wrote, re the song "Beep Beep": > They (or possibly somebody else) did another version for the > international market, particularly places where broadcasters would not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Similarly, "Does your Spearmint lose its flavor ... " became "Does > your chewing gum ..." in this country. It was "chewing gum" here, also -- at least in my part of the USA. SignatureMaria Conlon > Don Aitken wrote, re the song "Beep Beep": >> They (or possibly somebody else) did another version for the >> international market, particularly places where broadcasters would [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > It was "chewing gum" here, also -- at least in my part of the USA. Spearmint, as far as I recall. SignatureSkitt (in SF Bay Area) www.geocities.com/opus731/ Maria Conlon filted: >Don Aitken wrote, re the song "Beep Beep": > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >It was "chewing gum" here, also -- at least in my part of the USA. Ditto...if only this restriction could be made to explain how "I went to a dance just the other night/Everybody there went stag" became "Everybody there was there"....r Signature"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" > Don Aitken wrote, re the song "Beep Beep": > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > It was "chewing gum" here, also -- at least in my part of the USA. I learned it as "chewing gum" as well (Maine). Apparently the original was "spearmint", as Don notes, but I've never heard that version. Spearmint is the generic name of an herb used for flavoring. I would assume that when used as a flavor descriptor it wouldn't be trademark- able by itself, and there are many chewing gums of that flavor (Wrigley's Spearmint and Trident Spearmint are two of the more common ones over here). Turning to Google, apparently at one point Wrigley did try to claim "Spearmint" as a trademark. The court case at http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F1/0253/001/00000930.txt notes that: | "Spearmint" was counted on as a trade-mark and was charg- | ed to be infringed by "Peptomint." First. "Spearmint" is a common | noun, denoting flavor, and is therefore not susceptible of appropriation | as a trade-mark. ... >Spearmint is the generic name of an herb used for flavoring. ... Is "an herb" normal in places where the h is not pronounced? SignatureRichard Bollard Canberra Australia To email, I'm at AMT not spAMT. >> Spearmint is the generic name of an herb used for flavoring. > > ... > > Is "an herb" normal in places where the h is not pronounced? Of course. SignatureSkitt (AmE) >>> Spearmint is the generic name of an herb used for flavoring. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Of course. You'd think so but one can never tell with the haspirate. SignatureRichard Bollard Canberra Australia To email, I'm at AMT not spAMT. > On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:55:22 -0800 (PST), "sjdevn...@yahoo.com" > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Is "an herb" normal in places where the h is not pronounced? Yes. Incidentally, my GF is Australian and pronounces it with a silent h, but she's lived here long enough that I have no idea if this is a regional/accent difference in Oz (she's from Perth, but her father was in the army so she grew up all over the country) or a corruption from prolonged exposure to American accents. Thoughts? I also write and say "a historical", FWIW. On 14 Feb., 21:26, "Ole Nielsby" <ole.niel...@tekare-you- spamminglogisk.dk> wrote: > The "outrun" word is not what I intended, I just couldn't find an > english word for the danish "overhale" - it's what you do when > you're driving behind a car which goes slower than you want > to go - you go in the next (inner or opposite) lane, speed up > and and get past it. I assume there is a specific english word > for that maneuvre, I just couldn't find it. You are looking for "pass" or "overtake". Cadillacs generally require the use of "pass", while Rovers would be more likely to require "overtake". And your toy is usually called a tricycle, at least i Cadillac country. On 14 Feb., 21:26, "Ole Nielsby" <ole.niel...@tekare-you- spamminglogisk.dk> wrote: > Do 3-wheeled bikes squeak when not properly oiled? Is Cadillac > a suitable brand for this metaphor, or is it an outdated brand you > would frown at? Cadillac, the Rolls-Royce of automobiles, as the old jingle goes. Seriously, Cadillac would fit the bill in the U.S.; the presidential limousine is a custom-built Cadillac. On Feb 14, 4:11 pm, j...@alesia.dk wrote: > On 14 Feb., 21:26, "Ole Nielsby" <ole.niel...@tekare-you- > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cadillac, the Rolls-Royce of automobiles, as the old jingle goes. This may be an instance of things coming full circle, I'm not sure. IME, things that are best-of-breed are commonly called "the Cadillac of x". For instance, "Sub-Zero is the Cadillac of refrigerators", or "Rolex is the Cadillac of watches". Hence, the joke I've heard is precisely the opposite of yours: these days, Rolls Royce is the Cadillac of automobiles. >> Do 3-wheeled bikes squeak when not properly oiled? Is Cadillac >> a suitable brand for this metaphor, or is it an outdated brand you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Seriously, Cadillac would fit the bill in the U.S.; the presidential > limousine is a custom-built Cadillac. Not all presidential limousines have been Cadillacs, though. The car John Kennedy was riding in when he was assasinated was a Lincoln. (Does each President have more than one limousine? One for home, one for road trips?) Just asking, Maria Conlon > Not all presidential limousines have been Cadillacs, though. The car > John Kennedy was riding in when he was assasinated was a Lincoln. Seems like that was a bad omen. I should think superstitious Presidents would avoid riding in Lincolns or Fords. SignatureLew >> Not all presidential limousines have been Cadillacs, though. The car >> John Kennedy was riding in when he was assasinated was a Lincoln. > > Seems like that was a bad omen. I should think superstitious > Presidents would avoid riding in Lincolns or Fords. Which Presidents are/were superstitious? Any? Maria, Who is not at all superstitious (she says with fingers crossed). > >> Not all presidential limousines have been Cadillacs, though. The car > >> John Kennedy was riding in when he was assasinated was a Lincoln. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Which Presidents are/were superstitious? Any? Reagan was rumored to consult an astrologer on a regular basis. Both he and Nancy were reputed to put some faith in that superstition. That's the only commonly spoken of one I know of. There were rumors of seances in the Lincoln White House, but I've only ever heard of Mary Todd believing in them, not Abe. On Feb 14, 10:33 pm, "Maria Conlon" <conlonma...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Lew wrote: > > Maria Conlon wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Which Presidents are/were superstitious? Any? Reagan was rumored to consult an astrologer on a regular basis. Both he and Nancy were reputed to put some faith in that superstition. That's the only commonly spoken of one I know of. There were rumors of seances in the Lincoln White House, but I've only ever heard of Mary Todd believing in them, not Abe. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It was nancy who was into astrology not the traitor gipper. sjdevnull@yahoo.com filted: >> >> Not all presidential limousines have been Cadillacs, though. The car >> >> John Kennedy was riding in when he was assasinated was a Lincoln. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >of seances in the Lincoln White House, but I've only ever heard of >Mary Todd believing in them, not Abe. Carter saw a UFO.... And of course Nixon thought everyone was out to get him, but in time they actually were, so it stopped being a superstition....r Signature"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" > sjdevnull@yahoo.com filted: >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Carter saw a UFO.... A UFO is not nessessarily an ET space ship and ol'Jimmy never claimed it was one. R H Draney wrote >> Carter saw a UFO.... > A UFO is not nessessarily an ET space ship and ol'Jimmy never claimed it was > one. By definition it is not superstitious to describe an unidentified flying object that one has observed as a UFO. SignatureLew >sjdevnull@yahoo.com filted: >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Carter saw a UFO.... Not to mention a killer rabbit. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida sjdevnull wrote: >>>> Not all presidential limousines have been Cadillacs, though. The >>>> car John Kennedy was riding in when he was assasinated was a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Reagan was rumored to consult an astrologer on a regular basis. Both > he and Nancy were reputed to put some faith in that superstition. I don't think that's quite right. I think it was just Nancy. > That's the only commonly spoken of one I know of. There were rumors > of seances in the Lincoln White House, but I've only ever heard of > Mary Todd believing in them, not Abe. SignatureMaria Conlon > sjdevnull wrote: > >>>> Not all presidential limousines have been Cadillacs, though. The [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I don't think that's quite right. I think it was just Nancy. My memory is that both were into it, though Nancy was the more absorbed. Surfing for a bit, opinions seem split on whether it was just Nancy who was into it or whether Ronald was (albeit less enthusiastically) as well. The latter is my memory of how it was portrayed in the press at the time, but I was a mere 13 years of age in 1988 so I'll defer to others on the subject. > I just wrote this: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > with the pre-school child vehicles I'm thinking of or does it make > you think of rickshaws or delivery bikes? No: three-wheeled motorcycles are rare but familiar to N.American readers. They are usually big, high-powered bikes, thus likely to outrun a Cadillac, but they do not squeak so much as roar, and are more likely to sport Hell's Angels symbols rather than coffee brand logos. SignatureDon Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) Ole Nielsby: > > I just wrote this: > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > Do 3-wheeled bikes squeak when not properly oiled? ... "Bi-" means two, and in this case the etymology holds true. There are no 3-wheeled bicycles. > > Are you familiar with 3-wheeled bikes out there in the big world, > > or are they a geographically limited family? Does the word associate > > with the pre-school child vehicles I'm thinking of ..? Oh, you mean tricycles. Or "trikes" to some, but the long form is more familiar to me. I don't particularly associate them with squeaking. I suggest "being passed by children on tricycles". Don Phillipson: > No: three-wheeled motorcycles are rare but familiar to N.American > readers. They are usually big, high-powered bikes... Oh right, there are people who use "bike" to mean a motorcycle too. Very confusing to those of us who don't. But I've never heard of a 3-wheeled one of those before. SignatureMark Brader "I wonder why. I wonder why. Toronto I wonder why I wonder. msb@vex.net I wonder *why* I wonder why I wonder why I wonder!" -- Richard Feynman My text in this article is in the public domain. ... > Don Phillipson: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Very confusing to those of us who don't. But I've never heard of a > 3-wheeled one of those before. Usually seen with superannuated motorcyclists on them. The single wheel is in front, which I've been told is dangerous--more likely to roll when cornering fast than with the two wheels in front. -- Jerry Friedman >... > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >wheel is in front, which I've been told is dangerous--more likely to >roll when cornering fast than with the two wheels in front. Not really, down here. TOFs ride Gold Wings. Trikes are "bad". Trust me on this. Not only do I live in a state where motorcyclists are on the road 12 months a year, but I live 45 minutes from Daytona. While the bike traffic peaks during Bike Week, there's some motorcycle event in Daytona almost every month. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida > On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:14:26 -0800 (PST), "jerry_fried...@yahoo.com" > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Not really, down here. TOFs ride Gold Wings. Trikes are "bad". I don't want to give the impression that most older bikers here ride trikes. But I see them now and then, often with groups of two-wheeled motorcycles, so I don't think they're frowned on around here. They may even be "bad" in the other sense. > Trust me on this. Implicitly. > Not only do I live in a state where motorcyclists > are on the road 12 months a year, So do I. With a high of 48 today, probably few people will be riding motorcycles, but it's supposed to go up to 57 tomorrow. The south end of the state is warmer, and there can't be many days without motorcycles--not that that has anything to do with my knowledge of motorcycling. > but I live 45 minutes from Daytona. > While the bike traffic peaks during Bike Week, there's some motorcycle > event in Daytona almost every month. Around here there's only one rally a year that draws people from outside the area, and it's much smaller than I gather Bike Week is. (The Red River run, every Memorial Day, from Red River, N. M., to the first Vietnam memorial in the country, near Angel Fire. See http://www.1888pressrelease.com/25th-annual-red-river-rally-memorial-weekend-pr- 8p2b44bf1.html ) -- Jerry Friedman On Feb 15, 8:17 pm, "jerry_fried...@yahoo.com" <jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:14:26 -0800 (PST), "jerry_fried...@yahoo.co > > <jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > motorcycles, so I don't think they're frowned on around here. They > may even be "bad" in the other sense. From a uk perspective they had the attraction for some time - I don't know if it still holds - of being road-ridable without a helmet. On the other hand they are as wide, generally, as a small car and are thus not particularly effective in heavy traffic. I ride all year round. Generally motorcycles of the two-wheeled variety are more practical for this as they can be pushed a lot easier--even if the "pushing" takes the form of engaging 1st gear and walking alongside the machine as it idles when encountering a severely icy or un unploughed road. But, just as every custom bike is a chop and not every chop is a custom bike, there are plenty of people here building one-off machines that don't belong to any kind of club or organisation. > > Trust me on this. > > Implicitly. > > > Not only do I live in a state where motorcyclists > > are on the road 12 months a year, I didn't realise not every part of the US housed people who despatch for a living. One of the bigger despatch agencies here is called Pony Express, so perhaps that's the source of my incredulity. Or do those who need to work all year keep snowmoibles in the garage? > So do I. With a high of 48 today, probably few people will be riding > motorcycles, but it's supposed to go up to 57 tomorrow. The south end > of the state is warmer, and there can't be many days without > motorcycles--not that that has anything to do with my knowledge of > motorcycling. G DAEB COPYRIGHT (C) 2009 SIPSTON -- Mark Brader: >> Oh right, there are people who use "bike" to mean a motorcycle too. >> ...But I've never heard of a 3-wheeled one of those before. Jerry Friedman: > Usually seen with superannuated motorcyclists on them. The single > wheel is in front, which I've been told is dangerous--more likely to > roll when cornering fast than with the two wheels in front. Most airplanes today have a single landing gear assembly in front and one (the main gear) on or near each wing. This is called "tricycle" gear. The alternative, where the single gear is on the tail, was more common in the past, hence its name of "conventional" gear; informally, such a plane is a "taildragger". One of the advantages of tricycle gear is that, by putting the main gear behind the center of gravity, it makes the plane more stable on the ground. Also, you want the plane to be level while on the ground and nose-high when climbing or landing; with tricycle gear you can do this while also having the main wheels on the ground first and off the ground last. Conventional gear has advantages in some situations (such as when you *want* a plane that's nose-high on the ground), but these are generally less important today. SignatureMark Brader | "...there are lots of things that I don't remember, Toronto | but if you ask for an example, I can't remember any." msb@vex.net | --Michael Wares My text in this article is in the public domain. Mark Brader filted: >Ole Nielsby: >> > I just wrote this: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >I suggest "being passed by children on tricycles". Or by a little Nash Rambler....r Signature"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" On 15 Feb 2009, R H Draney wrote > Mark Brader filted: >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Or by a little Nash Rambler....r Damn things; no matter how fast you went, it was a devil to figure out how to get it into third... SignatureCheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed >Oh right, there are people who use "bike" to mean a motorcycle too. >Very confusing to those of us who don't. But I've never heard of a >3-wheeled one of those before. Very commonly seen down here. Harley and Honda make stock trikes as shown at http://www.badboyscustom.com/ I have no doubt that I could go out tomorrow and find one parked in front of a biker bar. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >> I just wrote this: >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >are more likely to sport Hell's Angels symbols rather than coffee >brand logos. The Hell's Angels would occasionally convert Harley Davidson motorcycles, aka "hogs", into three wheelers. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland >No: three-wheeled motorcycles are rare but familiar to N.American >readers. They are usually big, high-powered bikes, thus likely to There is no such word as "rare". - Dan SignatureDaniel G. McGrath Binghamton, New York e-mail: dmcg6174[AT]gmail[DOT]com >>No: three-wheeled motorcycles are rare but familiar to N.American >>readers. They are usually big, high-powered bikes, thus likely to > >There is no such word as "rare". Daniel, you keep insisting that there is no word such as "rare." If you ever gave an explanation for this, I missed it. You and I both know that "rare is in reputable English-dictionaries, so I think the weight of this claim is upon you to prove. Murray Arnow filted: >>>No: three-wheeled motorcycles are rare but familiar to N.American >>>readers. They are usually big, high-powered bikes, thus likely to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >"rare is in reputable English-dictionaries, so I think the weight of >this claim is upon you to prove. This coping mechanism may in part be Dan's response to my suggestion that there are *two* such words that just happen to be spelled and pronounced the same....r Signature"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" > Murray Arnow filted: >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > This coping mechanism may in part be Dan's response to my suggestion that there > are *two* such words that just happen to be spelled and pronounced the same....r After a recent more lucid discussion, I at least am persuaded that there are three. "A rare talent" means something more than "unusual". SignatureDavid meal-twit: http://twitter.com/omrud > After a recent more lucid discussion, I at least am persuaded that > there are three. "A rare talent" means something more than "unusual". It doesn't mean "unusual", but that doesn't make it a different word. It's another sense of the same word that means "unusual". Yet another is the one meaning "thin", as in air. It's not a distinct word as is the case with the "rare" that means "lightly cooked". That one has a separate etymology. Brian SignatureDay 20 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project >> After a recent more lucid discussion, I at least am persuaded that >> there are three. "A rare talent" means something more than "unusual". [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >the case with the "rare" that means "lightly cooked". That one has a >separate etymology. The "rare" that means "unusual" and the "rare" that refers to "thin air" are historically the same word, yes. And the "rare" that means "lightly cooked" is indeed historically different from those. But would this still be the way that the average English speaker would perceive all these "rare"s? In particular, is there not a curious correlation between the connotations of "thin" and "lightly cooked"? I've wondered about this since about February 2004, when I first started thinking of the two "rare"s as "the same word" in some sense. (My fixation on the word "rare" goes all the way back to September 2000, however. I was not thinking much at all about the cooking-related meaning at that time.) - Dan SignatureDaniel G. McGrath Binghamton, New York e-mail: dmcg6174[AT]gmail[DOT]com >>> After a recent more lucid discussion, I at least am persuaded that >>> there are three. "A rare talent" means something more than "unusual". [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > would this still be the way that the average English speaker would > perceive all these "rare"s? Yep. Honest. > In particular, is there not a curious correlation between the > connotations of "thin" and "lightly cooked"? I've wondered about this > since about February 2004, when I first started thinking of the two > "rare"s as "the same word" in some sense. (My fixation on the word > "rare" goes all the way back to September 2000, however. I was not > thinking much at all about the cooking-related meaning at that time.) No. I think that you are a human animal conditioned by evolution to find patterns in nature. This is how and why human brains grew, to process this complex pattern matching. You brain would perceives a pattern in the meanings, just as we can all see a face on Mars even though we know that it's just a formation of rocks and depressions in the surface: http://thesituationist.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/face-on-mars.jpg SignatureDavid meal-twit: http://twitter.com/omrud > The "rare" that means "unusual" and the "rare" that refers to "thin > air" are historically the same word, yes. And the "rare" that means [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > "rare" goes all the way back to September 2000, however. I was not > thinking much at all about the cooking-related meaning at that time.) As a result of your postings I was musing on just this today. And I think you are right - there's a similarity in that "rare (lightly cooked)" suggests that limited heat has been used, just as "rare (thin air)" suggests that limited air is available. It's not obvious, unless you delve into the etymology, which two of "hard to find", "thinned out" and "lightly cooked" are related and which is the odd-one-out. Just a coincidence of course (although I do wonder if that slight suggestion of similarity helped the words converge on the same spelling and pronunciation). Somehow talking about this in this way makes me think of the Major General and the Pirate King. SignatureOnline waterways route planner: http://canalplan.org.uk development version: http://canalplan.eu >> The "rare" that means "unusual" and the "rare" that refers to "thin >> air" are historically the same word, yes. And the "rare" that means [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >cooked)" suggests that limited heat has been used, just as "rare (thin >air)" suggests that limited air is available. Maybe that too, but I was thinking in terms of the relative "density" of cooked meat. It's not all that hard to imagine someone who was familiar with the term "rare air" and tried to take a guess as to what "rare meat" was. And they wouldn't be *that* far off. >It's not obvious, unless you delve into the etymology, which two of >"hard to find", "thinned out" and "lightly cooked" are related and which >is the odd-one-out. Right. I am not convinced that the average person would still sense "hard to find" and "thinned out" as the same "word" in some way, but "lightly cooked" as a different word. >Just a coincidence of course (although I do wonder >if that slight suggestion of similarity helped the words converge on the >same spelling and pronunciation). I've wondered that too. After all, I do know that in Early Modern English, "rare" as a cooking term was usually spelled "rear", and presumably pronounced that way as well. (The Old English word was /hre:r/ with /e:/, so this word could at first look like an "exception" to the Great Vowel Shift, if you know what I mean.) - Dan SignatureDaniel G. McGrath Binghamton, New York e-mail: dmcg6174[AT]gmail[DOT]com >> Murray Arnow filted: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >After a recent more lucid discussion, I at least am persuaded that there >are three. "A rare talent" means something more than "unusual". Again, I'm not convinced there. How is "a rare talent" different from "an unusual talent"? I see them as being the same. - Dan SignatureDaniel G. McGrath Binghamton, New York e-mail: dmcg6174[AT]gmail[DOT]com >>> Murray Arnow filted: >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Again, I'm not convinced there. How is "a rare talent" different from > "an unusual talent"? I see them as being the same. Not so much different from "unusual" as from "uncommon". It's a very subtle extra meaning which gives a feeling of approval to the talent; it's not just that there are few people with this talent, but also that the talent is in some way special. SignatureDavid meal-twit: http://twitter.com/omrud > Not so much different from "unusual" as from "uncommon". It's a very > subtle extra meaning which gives a feeling of approval to the talent; it's > not just that there are few people with this talent, but also that the > talent is in some way special. "Unusual" would be posting this in a coin NG. Maybe "clueless" is a synonym then. >> Again, I'm not convinced there. How is "a rare talent" different from >> "an unusual talent"? I see them as being the same. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >it's not just that there are few people with this talent, but also that >the talent is in some way special. Sorry. I see "rare" and "uncommon" as having the same meaning in that context. To me, anything that can be called an "uncommon talent" can also be called a "rare talent". - Dan SignatureDaniel G. McGrath Binghamton, New York e-mail: dmcg6174[AT]gmail[DOT]com >>> Again, I'm not convinced there. How is "a rare talent" different from >>> "an unusual talent"? I see them as being the same. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > context. To me, anything that can be called an "uncommon talent" can > also be called a "rare talent". Fair enough - that won't cause any misunderstandings. SignatureDavid >Murray Arnow filted: >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >This coping mechanism may in part be Dan's response to my suggestion that there >are *two* such words that just happen to be spelled and pronounced the same....r So you mean, when you referred to "two words" you were merely *suggesting* that I think of "rare" that way? Actually, I probably *did* think of "rare" as more or less two different words for several years. Until Feb. 2004, that is. It was then that I discovered that several correlations existed between "rare" (< L. "rarus") and "rare" (< OE "hrer"). And, because of this, I began to think of these as the same word -- I mentally married them, so to speak. But I guess I'm no longer sure whether those correlations make sense to me, and that's why I've been having trouble with "rare". I certainly don't want to divorce the two "rare"s, though. - Dan SignatureDaniel G. McGrath Binghamton, New York e-mail: dmcg6174[AT]gmail[DOT]com Dan McGrath filted: >>Murray Arnow filted: >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >So you mean, when you referred to "two words" you were merely >*suggesting* that I think of "rare" that way? Pretty much...it's possible to think of it as either two words with convergent spelling or one word with two origins...I thought it might help ease your discomfort over the situation to train your mind to prefer the former perspective...a sort of verbal Necker-cube illusion.... >Actually, I probably *did* think of "rare" as more or less two >different words for several years. Until Feb. 2004, that is. It was [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >with "rare". I certainly don't want to divorce the two "rare"s, >though. Perhaps a trial separation is in order?...r Signature"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" On Feb 14, 9:26 pm, "Ole Nielsby" <ole.niel...@tekare-you- spamminglogisk.dk> wrote: > I just wrote this: > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > I'll do that to the 3-wheelers in the next chapter, in my Cadillac. > But what's the phrase to use? "Show them your tail lights" or "Make them eat dust" are two possibilities. Yendrick On Feb 14, 1:26 pm, "Ole Nielsby" <ole.niel...@tekare-you- spamminglogisk.dk> wrote: > I just wrote this: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > a suitable brand for this metaphor, or is it an outdated brand you > would frown at? ... > The coffee-cup logos refer to the Java programming language, > which is mentioned elsewhere in the paper as one of my not so > favorite things. I'm not clear on what you're trying to suggest. Cadillacs are associated with luxury and ostentation. They're admired by some, who consider them the most impressive American cars, and looked down on by others, who associate them with people who try to impress others with their cars. At present, according to Wikipedia, the Lexus is the most popular luxury brand in the U.S. The second-most popular is a German brand-- BMW? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac#Competition_with_Lincoln_-_Escalade If you want to suggest speed, which seems to fit your image of being passed by tricycles, there are much better choices, such as Ferrari. -- Jerry Friedman On Feb 14, 8:28 pm, "jerry_fried...@yahoo.com" <jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I just wrote this: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > luxury brand in the U.S. The second-most popular is a German brand-- > BMW? What's a luxury brand? BMW, Merceds, Audi, and Porsche are the ones that come to mind as possibilities. If they qualify as luxury, your guess of BMW seems to me to be the most popular of the 4. >On Feb 14, 8:28 pm, "jerry_fried...@yahoo.com" ><jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >that come to mind as possibilities. If they qualify as luxury, your >guess of BMW seems to me to be the most popular of the 4. I'd call the Porsche a sports car, but not a "luxury" car or brand. They handle beautifully and they're expensive but even the 911 isn't comfortable enough to make it into the luxury class, even if owning one is a luxury for many people. Cadillacs, Mercedes, Rolls Force and Lincolns are examples of luxury cars. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland > I just wrote this: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Do 3-wheeled bikes squeak when not properly oiled? Quite possible. > Is Cadillac > a suitable brand for this metaphor, or is it an outdated brand you > would frown at? Who (except Americans) would want to own a Cadillac anyway? And over here a three-wheeled bike would be the kiddies/elderly one. The fast powered one would be a trike, Jan [...] > And over here a three-wheeled bike > would be the kiddies/elderly one. > The fast powered one would be a trike, Having skimmed the thread, I don't think anybody's mentioned "quad bikes", much used by farmers and hobby off-roaders. The contradiction in terms is barely noticed. SignatureMike. > [...] >> And over here a three-wheeled bike [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > bikes", much used by farmers and hobby off-roaders. The contradiction > in terms is barely noticed. Using a term in a particular environment would bring out the need to specify "ATVs". All terrain vehicles come as quads or as trikes (my friends call them three-wheelers, but I have heard "trikes"). There is a new fitness/transportation machine called a "Trikke". That is a brand name, but it is also called a kick-trike, or a "carving trike or carving scooter". It is two scooters with a single front wheel, and the width between the "scooters (boards)" can vary. It is human-powered in a knee-pumping, side-to-side motion. I see one fellow on it during my morning constitutionals, and I have seen him negotiate some minor slopes. But I don't know how he would handle a steep or extended slope. I can see, though, that it would be simple to collapse the thing and to lug it over one's shoulder up stairs, etc, so could really get one to work rather neatly. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22trikke%22&aq=f&oq= Oh, one blurb on the page lists a "Three-wheel, cambering transit". The search word "trikke" brings up 569,000 hits, but I believe the first page refs deal with the machine I am talking about. Oh, I don't think one would call it an ATV, though. > [...] >> And over here a three-wheeled bike [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > bikes", much used by farmers and hobby off-roaders. The contradiction in > terms is barely noticed. Has anyone mentioned the invalid tricycle? My mother's best friend used one for decades, and referred to it as her "Noddy car". http://www.disabilitynow.org.uk/latest-news2/politics-1/the-great-dla-swindle Fran > Has anyone mentioned the invalid tricycle? My mother's best friend used > one for decades, and referred to it as her "Noddy car". Are three-wheeled invalid vehicles still made? They are much more likely to tip over than are four-wheeled ones (as my mother used in England a decade ago) so one would expect three-wheelers to be withdrawn as unsafe. SignatureDon Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) Don Phillipson filted: >> Has anyone mentioned the invalid tricycle? My mother's best friend used >> one for decades, and referred to it as her "Noddy car". [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >used in England a decade ago) so one would expect three-wheelers >to be withdrawn as unsafe. Three-wheeled vehicles, however, can always have all wheels on the most uneven of ground (barring an extreme "high-center" situation) and are therefore demonstrably safer than tetracycles where one wheel is virtually guaranteed to be riding in the air....r Signature"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" [...] > Three-wheeled vehicles, however, can always have all wheels on the most > uneven of ground (barring an extreme "high-center" situation) and are > therefore demonstrably safer than tetracycles where one wheel is virtually > guaranteed to be riding in the air....r When I bought my first motorcycle in the UK in 1960 (or thereabouts), those who had not yet passed their driving test were limited to a maximum engine capacity of 250 cc -- unless the bike had a sidecar attached. I therefore chose a (used) 600 cc Norton with sidecar, intending to take the sidecar off as soon as I got my licence. I'd never ridden a motorcycle before and, having handed over my hard-earned thirty quid, drove off happily in learning-by-doing mode. Tackling the first left-hand curve with considerable panache, I was surprised to find myself on two wheels with the sidecar up in the air beside me. I later found this was easy to achieve even if a passenger was sitting in the sidecar, though some passengers didn't see the funny side. Note that in the UK, one drives on the left and the sidecar is attached to the left side of the bike. In countries where one drives on the right, the sidecar is attached to the right side of the bike and tends to lift off during right-hand bends. The YouTube video below includes both variations; when the sidecar is on the inside of the bend, you can see the passenger leaning as far as possible inwards in order to keep all three wheels in contact with the ground. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPEp5N-PpNQ&feature=related> I couldn't find pictures of anyone doing this sort of stuff in an invalid carriage. SignatureLes (BrE) >> Has anyone mentioned the invalid tricycle? My mother's best friend used >> one for decades, and referred to it as her "Noddy car". [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >used in England a decade ago) so one would expect three-wheelers >to be withdrawn as unsafe. This 1998 press release said that they would be pahsed out by 2003 (in England): http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publicationsandstatistics/Pressreleases/DH_4024591 Transcript of a BBC Radio 4 programme in 2005: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/youandyours/yy_20050113.shtml ...Francesca Panetta has been to Norwich, to the headquarters of the Disabled Drivers Association, where that very last invalid trike is now on exhibition, to speak to Jim Rawlings of the DDA and to former trike drivers Enid Williams and Marion Webb. WEBB It had been sitting on my front garden for a few days waiting to be collected and it was a mixture of emotions really when it was loaded up on the breakdown lorry. It had been part of my life for so long - it's 55 years that I'd had various types of trike - so it really was a bit of life that went. I took photographs of it, thinking well I will never see it again probably. .... Images of the "Invacar": http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=invacar&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2 SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >>> Has anyone mentioned the invalid tricycle? My mother's best friend used >>> one for decades, and referred to it as her "Noddy car". [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >England): >http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publicationsandstatistics/Pressreleases/DH_4024591 There seem to be some 3-wheel scooters for the disabled still on sale. https://www.ukmobilityforu.co.uk/Scooters/ SignatureRobin (BrE) Herts, England >>>> Has anyone mentioned the invalid tricycle? My mother's best friend used >>>> one for decades, and referred to it as her "Noddy car". [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >There seem to be some 3-wheel scooters for the disabled still on sale. >https://www.ukmobilityforu.co.uk/Scooters/ Yes. It was the Invacar style vehicle that was phased out. They had top speeds in the range of 50 to 70 mph. The scooters for the disabled are legally limited to 4 mph on a footway (AmE: sidewalk, BrE: footpath, pavement) and 8 mph on a road. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) > Are three-wheeled invalid vehicles still made? They are much > more likely to tip over than are four-wheeled ones (as my mother > used in England a decade ago) so one would expect three-wheelers > to be withdrawn as unsafe. My father (aged 86) has one, and it's newish, no more than a few years old. Three-wheeled invalid vehicles (strange term; as a vehicle it's perfectly valid) seem to be the norm in the Netherlands. Irina Signature"Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?" --Albus Dumbledore http://www.valdyas.org/foundobjects/index.cgi Latest: 11-Feb-2009 >> Has anyone mentioned the invalid tricycle? My mother's best friend used >> one for decades, and referred to it as her "Noddy car". > >Are three-wheeled invalid vehicles still made? Whoo! Still made? Medicare paid for something like US$ 4 billion (right, billion) three-wheeled scooters for Americans last year. Not all are three-wheeled like <http://www.ezpickscooter.com/files/1791499/uploaded/Spirit2.JPG> but many are. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>> Has anyone mentioned the invalid tricycle? My mother's best friend used >>> one for decades, and referred to it as her "Noddy car". [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] ><http://www.ezpickscooter.com/files/1791499/uploaded/Spirit2.JPG> but >many are. I think Fran was talking about one of these, a three wheeled car, not a scooter: http://www.virtualgaz.com/ic17.jpg Inside: http://www.virtualgaz.com/ic9.jpg Images taken from one third of the way down this page: http://www.virtualgaz.com/invacarpage.htm Three-wheeled "mobility scooters" are still in use in the UK. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) On Feb 16, 5:18 pm, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net> wrote: > On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:57:07 -0500, tony cooper > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I think Fran was talking about one of these, a three wheeled car, not a > scooter:http://www.virtualgaz.com/ic17.jpg I was going to post something akin to what Tony did, but thankfully the pictures of three-wheeled invalid vehicles came up in this thread before I did. I've never heard that phrase before, but it seemed likely to mean exactly what you call "mobility scooters". AmE, Maine->Pittsburgh->Virginia >>>> Has anyone mentioned the invalid tricycle? My mother's best friend used >>>> one for decades, and referred to it as her "Noddy car". [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >scooter: >http://www.virtualgaz.com/ic17.jpg Why would that be an "invalid vehicle"? That like a Messerschmitt Fend, isn't it I assume we're talking about "invalid" in the physical disability sense and not the not valid sense. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>>>> Has anyone mentioned the invalid tricycle? My mother's best friend used >>>>> one for decades, and referred to it as her "Noddy car". [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >I assume we're talking about "invalid" in the physical disability >sense and not the not valid sense. We are. That vehicle was designed specifically for disabled people. It has a single seat with space at each side for a folded wheelchair. http://www.virtualgaz.com/ic8.jpg A coworker of mine had one. He had had arthritis since childhood. He did not use a wheelchair, but had very limited mobility. Obviously, not every disabled person could use one of those cars. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >>>>> Has anyone mentioned the invalid tricycle? My mother's best friend used >>>>> one for decades, and referred to it as her "Noddy car". [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I assume we're talking about "invalid" in the physical disability > sense and not the not valid sense. They were provided for people with severe disabilities, to allow them to maintain relatively normal lives: "Powered tricycles may be provided to those persons who suffer from amputation of both legs with one or both above the knee, paraplegia, or other disablements causing total or almost total loss of the use of both legs. Slightly less severely disabled persons who nevertheless have severe impairment of walking ability may be provided with a machine to help them to get to and from work" http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1961/may/19/invalid-tricycle-mr-j-a-l ushington My mother's friend had severe hip problems, and needed sticks to walk. With the little vehicle, she was able to hold a job, and also served on the local parish council. Fran |
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