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Discussion Groups / English Usage / May 2009A different sort of "Arrgh"
Today's newspaper carried a short blurb on the selection of Carol Ann Duffy as Britain's poet laureate. She is described as "Duffy, 53, a lesbian single mother...". I don't know anything about Duffy or her work. I'm not a poetry fan and feel that whatever you read in the privacy of your own home is your own business. Not that there's nothing wrong with that. I can't imagine why it is necessary to point out that Duffy is a lesbian unless her poetry is known for lesbian references or alternative sexual inclinations. To me, that aspect of her life ranks right there with whether or not she likes anchovies on her pizza or drives a Volvo. In the same day's newspaper, there's an article about Miss California allegedly being relegated to second place in the Miss USA competition because of her comments against gay marriage. (Or, as she put it, marriage should be between "opposites") That article identified one of the judges - Perez Hilton - as being homosexual and a gay activist. That's a relevant observation because there is a connection. What is the relevancy about Duffy?  SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >Today's newspaper carried a short blurb on the selection of Carol Ann >Duffy as Britain's poet laureate. She is described as "Duffy, 53, a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >right there with whether or not she likes anchovies on her pizza or >drives a Volvo. It is mildly relevant as in Wikipedia's statement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Ann_Duffy She is the first woman, the first Scot and the first openly gay person to hold the position. To me, her gayness is no more or less relevant than her being Scottish or female. However: Duffy was almost appointed Poet Laureate in 1999 (after the death of previous Laureate Ted Hughes), but lost out on the position to Andrew Motion. According to the Sunday Times Downing Street sources stated unofficially that Prime Minister Tony Blair was "worried about having a homosexual poet laureate because of how it might play in middle England". Ah, that mythical beast, Middle England. She would have rejected the job anyway. [reasons] And: The Guardian has also stated that Duffy was reluctant to take up the role in 1999 as she was in a lesbian relationship at the time, and had a young daughter, so was reluctant to take up a position which would have put her so prominently in the public eye. >In the same day's newspaper, there's an article about Miss California >allegedly being relegated to second place in the Miss USA competition [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >What is the relevancy about Duffy? I think that Tony Blair would have been delighted to be the first UK Prime Minister to select a woman to be Poet Laureate, so her being a lesbian must have been an obstacle. It seems that it is relevant now because it is no longer seen as an obstacle. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >> Today's newspaper carried a short blurb on the selection of Carol Ann >> Duffy as Britain's poet laureate. She is described as "Duffy, 53, a [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > To me, her gayness is no more or less relevant than her being Scottish > or female. I didn't know that she was a lesbian until I read this thread. They didn't mention it on Radio 4. SignatureDavid >>> Today's newspaper carried a short blurb on the selection of Carol Ann >>> Duffy as Britain's poet laureate. She is described as "Duffy, 53, a [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >I didn't know that she was a lesbian until I read this thread. They >didn't mention it on Radio 4. There is an article today by Daisy Goodwin who has known Duffy for 16 years: http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/article6 210786.ece Carol Ann Duffy: The original good line girl Feisty, nosy and tough, the new laureate is a bisexual single mother who promises to be a poet of the family The thirdmost and secondmost paragraphs to the end are: There was a rumour that Tony Blair blocked her from becoming the laureate last time round because he felt middle England wouldnt accept a gay woman in the job. Carol Ann simply doesnt believe this. As she points out, this was the government that was brought to power by Peter Mandelson and introduced civil partnerships. I think middle England - far from finding Carol Ann too hot to handle - will be delighted by the new laureates family values, her respect for education and her innate modesty. And it will love her poems. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) [...] > There is an article today by Daisy Goodwin who has known Duffy for 16 > years: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Feisty, nosy and tough, the new laureate is a bisexual single > mother who promises to be a 'poet of the family' [...] If, in the near future, I see another woman described as "feisty", I may have to smash something. SignatureMike. [ ... ] > If, in the near future, I see another woman described as "feisty", I may > have to smash something. http://www.listentofeist.com/ I have never knowingly listened to her. SignatureBob Lieblich And what I don't know I don't know > [ ... ] > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I have never knowingly listened to her. Fie on't! It could have proved a feistfest, a fisticuff fiesta. SignatureMike. > > [ ... ] > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Fie on't! It could have proved a feistfest, a fisticuff fiesta. She gained some fame when her song "1234" was featured in an Apple ad. Goggle indicates that it was for the iPod Nano. Brian SignatureDay 92 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project >>> [ ... ] >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > She gained some fame when her song "1234" was featured in an Apple ad. > Goggle indicates that it was for the iPod Nano. The glad tidings didn't reach these shores, or at any rate not my minor inlet. I'll ask my young if they've ever heard of the broad. SignatureMike. > [...] >> There is an article today by Daisy Goodwin who has known Duffy for 16 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > If, in the near future, I see another woman described as "feisty", I may > have to smash something. Yeah, men never get called feisty, do they? Interesting how a relatively innocuous word can accumulate all that patronising baggage. SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) LFS filted: >>> Carol Ann Duffy: The original good line girl >>> Feisty, nosy and tough, the new laureate is a bisexual single [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Yeah, men never get called feisty, do they? Interesting how a relatively >innocuous word can accumulate all that patronising baggage. It's only slightly worse than "spry"...what's the cutoff age for that one now, eighty?...r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? > LFS filted: >>>> Carol Ann Duffy: The original good line girl [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > It's only slightly worse than "spry"...what's the cutoff age for that one now, On Saturday I was privileged to be in a room with Bernard Lovell, who is 95. Spry, he is not. But he is still entirely possessed of his mental faculties. SignatureDavid >> LFS filted: >>>>> Carol Ann Duffy: The original good line girl [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> It's only slightly worse than "spry"...what's the cutoff age for that >> one now, But both men and women are described as spry: I have yet to come across a man described as feisty (I resisted the temptation to shorten that to a feisty man, for fear of the consequences.) > On Saturday I was privileged to be in a room with Bernard Lovell, who is > 95. Spry, he is not. But he is still entirely possessed of his mental > faculties. I have always thought that there is something very pleasing aurally about the linking of the two names Lovell and Jodrell SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) >>> LFS filted: >>>>>> Carol Ann Duffy: The original good line girl [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >I have always thought that there is something very pleasing aurally >about the linking of the two names Lovell and Jodrell Much more pleasant than calling him a Jodrell Banker. SignatureJames >>>> LFS filted: >>>>>>> Carol Ann Duffy: The original good line girl [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Much more pleasant than calling him a Jodrell Banker. Which would be inappropriate. Lovell's Jodrell Bank resources were well Husbanded. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Husband SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >>>>> LFS filted: >>>>>>>> Carol Ann Duffy: The original good line girl [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Husband Typically, it doesn't say anything about Mrs Husband. SignatureJames >>>>>> LFS filted: >>>>>>>>> Carol Ann Duffy: The original good line girl [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Typically, it doesn't say anything about Mrs Husband. It doesn't say much about him, either. Signatureathel >Mike Lyle wrote: >> [...] [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Yeah, men never get called feisty, do they? Interesting how a >relatively innocuous word can accumulate all that patronising baggage. I couldn't avoid it any longer, and had to look the word up in my dictionary to see if my interpretation was right. I learned there that it comes from feist or fist, a lapdog, in turn derived from 'fisting cur', and that the verb 'fist' meant 'break wind'. So 'feisty' means 'farting like a lapdog'. I hadn't quite got that angle on it before, though I was close. But is this in the job description of Poet Laureate? SignaturePaul >>Mike Lyle wrote: >>> [...] [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >angle on it before, though I was close. But is this in the job >description of Poet Laureate? I suppose that in some sense the Poet Laureate has a "lapdog" relationship with the Queen. This should not be taken too literally. The corgis might object. The PL is expected to utter poetic effusions, or to effuse poetic utterances. If one of these were to be rancid it might be called a fart. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >> If, in the near future, I see another woman described as "feisty", >> I may have to smash something. > > Yeah, men never get called feisty, do they? Interesting how a > relatively innocuous word can accumulate all that patronising > baggage. I dunno, I see over a thousand Google hits for "feisty old man". SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |Never ascribe to malice that which 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |can adequately be explained by Palo Alto, CA 94304 |stupidity. kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ >>> If, in the near future, I see another woman described as "feisty", >>> I may have to smash something. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I dunno, I see over a thousand Google hits for "feisty old man". And I see over two thousand for "feisty old woman". SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) >>>> If, in the near future, I see another woman described as "feisty", >>>> I may have to smash something. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > And I see over two thousand for "feisty old woman". That would seem to indicate that both are described that way, women more often. Hardly "men never get called feisty". SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |When correctly viewed, 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 | Everything is lewd. Palo Alto, CA 94304 |I could tell you things | about Peter Pan, kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com |and the Wizard of Oz-- (650)857-7572 | there's a dirty old man! | Tom Lehrer http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ >>>>> If, in the near future, I see another woman described as "feisty", >>>>> I may have to smash something. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > That would seem to indicate that both are described that way, women > more often. Hardly "men never get called feisty". Indeed, it might. But I have yet to hear a man called feisty. I don't count our dear departed cat, although he was so described once by a neighbour who saw him square up to a fox three times his size. SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) >>>>>> If, in the near future, I see another woman described as "feisty", >>>>>> I may have to smash something. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >count our dear departed cat, although he was so described once by a >neighbour who saw him square up to a fox three times his size. I'm fairly sure that when I first met "feisty" it was used to describe a man. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) > LFS wrote: >>>>> LFS writes: >>>>>>> If, in the near future, I see another woman described as >>>>>>> "feisty", I may have to smash something. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I'm fairly sure that when I first met "feisty" it was used to > describe a man. That's true for me too, but is usually was a small man -- small but feisty. SignatureSkitt (AmE) > >> If, in the near future, I see another woman described as "feisty", > >> I may have to smash something. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I dunno, I see over a thousand Google hits for "feisty old man". Try it without "old" in there. "feisty man" - 1,370 "feisty woman" - 16,800 Quite a big difference there. And this link might interest Laura: http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=women_on_the_verge SignatureLinz Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford My accent may vary >> >> If, in the near future, I see another woman described as >> >> "feisty", I may have to smash something. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Quite a big difference there. Men tend to have to be either old or short for assertiveness to be described as "feisty". But when they are, it is. I'd say that the "patronizing baggage" isn't in the word but rather in the expectation that women won't be assertive, so that when they are, they get described using the same term used to describe men who aren't expected to be assertive. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |"Algebra? But that's far too 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |difficult for seven-year-olds!" Palo Alto, CA 94304 | |"Yes, but I didn't tell them that kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com |and so far they haven't found out," (650)857-7572 |said Susan. http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ >>>>If, in the near future, I see another woman described as "feisty", >>>>I may have to smash something. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > And this link might interest Laura: > http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=women_on_the_verge Thanks, it did. (And I was delighted to see Harrison Ford in the sidebar.) SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) > In article <63ghndhj....@hpl.hp.com>, kirshenb...@hpl.hp.com says... > > >> If, in the near future, I see another woman described as "feisty", > > >> I may have to smash something. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > "feisty man" - 1,370 > "feisty woman" - 16,800 "feisty sheep" - 1,480 -- VB Vinny Burgoo filted: >> In article <63ghndhj....@hpl.hp.com>, kirshenb...@hpl.hp.com says... >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >"feisty sheep" - 1,480 From www.googlism.com: feisty is a killer of birds feisty is largley independant feisty is changing too quickly for dictionaries to keep up with – and it remains to be seen what the accepted meaning will eventually be feisty is an eighty feisty is a fun word feisty is a ferret with mixed luck feisty is that she wants every human she meets to rub her belly feisty is a valkyrie in a 21st century life feisty is my mommy's guild feisty is a fitness class that will provide a variety of exercises designed to increase muscular strength feisty is very particular and prefers to help wash artuloth's big head and will fight with any flits that try to take that spot away from him feisty is a wonderfully tempered sable fellow who tolerates the abuse of younger ferrets feisty is exactly what you will get if you own a mexican red feisty is 'cause he doesn't need to work tonight feisty is a brown sable feisty is feisty is trying to be v feisty is also 16 years older and much more aggressively seeking retirement than lulu feisty is derived from a middle english word meaning to break wind feisty is my favorite michelle character trait feisty is another term to have feisty is an adjective denoting determination feisty is the word feisty is a warm dark red that isn't so dramatic that it overtakes your face color feisty is one of her favourite words feisty is no longer with us feisty is the most athletic and adventurous of the babies feisty is she? feisty is a word that comes to mind if i was describing janice feisty is an older male cat feisty is a cute girl that likes to keep her girlish figure feisty is our featured pet feisty is word used to describe us all the time feisty is fun feisty is jorge feisty feisty is as feisty does … and nobody does it better feisty is a good word to describe me feisty is cleverly evades this fate feisty is a good word to describe this little one feisty is not the word for the filipino feisty is hardly the word when psychopathic is far closer to reality for this woman feisty is faster feisty is the organised member of the squad feisty is 300 also feisty is a 3yr old female stafford shire pit bull terrier feisty is doing very well feisty is a word that can easily describe sashi feisty is that feisty is not one for the faint of heart feisty is an americanism? english has gathered in new words where it found them feisty is hardly the word when psyche feisty is simply seen as too high feisty is a good description for today’s energies feisty is not a superstar feisty is feisty feisty is kevin feisty is the word most often used to describe terriers feisty is a fixed male cat that needs a nice home feisty is one word that comes to mind feisty is a good sign most of the time feisty is lewis? he feisty is the best way to describe his baseline assault feisty is one of our best sellers when in stock feisty is the best way to describe this on feisty is the best description for these water ....r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? >> [...] >>> There is an article today by Daisy Goodwin who has known Duffy for [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Yeah, men never get called feisty, do they? Interesting how a > relatively innocuous word can accumulate all that patronising baggage. Like catholics are all devout and libraries are always dusty. SignatureMike. > Yeah, men never get called feisty, do they? Interesting how a relatively > innocuous word can accumulate all that patronising baggage. It's right up there with 'articulate', I think. Possibly higher on the patronometer. atb, S in B >> [...] >>> There is an article today by Daisy Goodwin who has known Duffy for [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Yeah, men never get called feisty, do they? Interesting how a > relatively innocuous word can accumulate all that patronising baggage. I've been watching for the word since reading this thread. Granted that five instances is a small sample, but it tends to confirm an impression I had. The five examples comprised one print, two on radio, one on television and one in RL. One was in reference to a man, and four to women. But all the usages were _by_ women. And you can add the example quoted above to that. I'm not sure quite what the significance of that is. Could it be partly because it is usually women reporters who are given the human interest stories to cover? Or is it something of a women's word? If it is a word most often used by women about women, can it be considered patronising, or even matronising? Or is it just admiring, which is the sense I mostly get from it? Whichever it is, it has as Mike says become a bit of a cliche. SignatureRegards John for mail: my initials plus a u e at tpg dot com dot au >>> [...] >>>> There is an article today by Daisy Goodwin who has known Duffy for [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Whichever it is, it has as Mike says become a bit of a cliche. Interesting. I too have been watching out for it but have only encountered one example so far, in "The Girl who played with fire" by Stieg Larsson (a man). At one point the central female character is described as feisty. As she is one of the most alarming and frightening fictional characters one could ever meet on the page, this seems like something of an understatement. Presumably the translator thought it apt: I have no idea what the Swedish word might have been. SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) [ ... ] > Ah, that mythical beast, Middle England. Do the people of Middle England speak Middle English? SignatureBob Lieblich You never know > [ ... ] > >> Ah, that mythical beast, Middle England. > > Do the people of Middle England speak Middle English? Yeth. SignatureDavid > > [ ... ] > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Yeth. Or, possibly, Yodh. sjm >>> [ ... ] >>>> Ah, that mythical beast, Middle England. >>> Do the people of Middle England speak Middle English? >> Yeth. > > Or, possibly, Yodh. Middle English you speak? SignatureDavid On 2 May, 17:58, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net> wrote: > Duffy was almost appointed Poet Laureate in 1999 (after the death of > previous Laureate Ted Hughes), but lost out on the position to > Andrew Motion. According to the Sunday Times Downing Street > sources stated unofficially that Prime Minister Tony Blair was > "worried about having a homosexual poet laureate because of how it > might play in middle England". I cannot believe that even "middle England" really gives a flying f.ck about the Poet Laureate anymore. Mike M >On 2 May, 17:58, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >I cannot believe that even "middle England" really gives a flying f.ck >about the Poet Laureate anymore. I must gently query that last statement. "Anymore"? Did "middle England" ever give a flying f.ck about the Poet Laureate? SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) On 7 May, 11:01, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net> wrote: > On Thu, 7 May 2009 02:46:19 -0700 (PDT), Mike Mooney > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > "Anymore"? Did "middle England" ever give a flying f.ck about the Poet > Laureate? Good point. Mike M >>On 2 May, 17:58, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net> >>wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > "Anymore"? Did "middle England" ever give a flying f.ck about the Poet > Laureate? Perhaps in the Victorian period: Alfred Austin was appointed because Swinburne, the obvious choice, was too scandalous (and William Morris turned it down). AA gave us immortal lines like the following, on the sickness of the Prince of Wales: "Along the wires the electric message came: 'He is no better: he is much the same'" Peter Groves >>>On 2 May, 17:58, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net> >>>wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >"Along the wires the electric message came: >'He is no better: he is much the same'" Ah, yes. Not up to the standards of the immortal, ineffable and incomparable William McGonagall. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >Today's newspaper carried a short blurb on the selection of Carol Ann >Duffy as Britain's poet laureate. She is described as "Duffy, 53, a [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >What is the relevancy about Duffy? The relevancy is to the editors. You remind me of a complaint my nephew made to the Wall Street Journal. The Journal had a habit of mentioning that a if person accused of wrong-doing happened have a Jewish heritage, it was relevant--it was the only heritage that had the distinction of being consistently relevant. The Journal no longer sees the relevancy in mentioning such facts. >> Today's newspaper carried a short blurb on the selection of Carol Ann >> Duffy as Britain's poet laureate. She is described as "Duffy, 53, a [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > being consistently relevant. The Journal no longer sees the relevancy in > mentioning such facts. I don't notice this type of thing much in newspapers, but I was mildly irritated while reading a couple of recent novels where characters were described, in my opinion unnecessarily, as "black". Had it been "West Indian" or even "East African", it is possible that the adjective might have added something to my understanding of the scene, but "black" covers so many different types of people that it is meaningless. SignatureRob Bannister > Today's newspaper carried a short blurb on the selection of Carol Ann > Duffy as Britain's poet laureate. She is described as "Duffy, 53, a [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > What is the relevancy about Duffy? JFK once said something to the effect that interviews usually boil down to one question, "What's he like?" And that includes personal information. If this celebrity chef is married to an actress and they have four kids, or that race car driver is dating a movie star, that will probably be included. In most "human interest" stories there usually a few snippets of personal information. Almost every newspaper routinely prints a person's age - and whenever I'm interviewed for publication I always decline to give it. Not relevant to the story. So if the poet laureate is a lesbian and a mother it may not inform her work, but it does inform the public's *curiosity*. Signature"The fox knows many things - the hedgehog, one big one." Archilochus > Today's newspaper carried a short blurb on the selection ofCarolAnnDuffyas Britain's poet laureate. She is described as "Duffy, 53, a > lesbian single mother...". > > I don't know anything aboutDuffyor her work. I'm not a poetry fan > and feel that whatever you read in the privacy of your own home is > your own business. Not that there's nothing wrong with that. [...] > What is the relevancy about Duffy? That line inspired me to write a poem. Thank you, Tony. What did the elephant say about Cloughie? by Vinny Burgoo So. C. Jarvis Thribby is the new poet Laureate. Has anybody told her the Queen Likes poems that rhyme? And, what's more, that what rhymes at Windsor doesn't Always rhyme elsewhere? Your new job is certainly A plum, Duffy. But it's also a toughie. Being a leftie luvvie queerie might not Be enough, Dearie, this time. Moooo! I thenk you. -- VB >> Today's newspaper carried a short blurb on the selection ofCarolAnnDuffyas Britain's poet laureate. She is described as "Duffy, 53, a >> lesbian single mother...". [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >I thenk you. All right, how many more genius poets lurking in here? Crikey. SignatureKaty Jennison spamtrap: remove the first two letters after the @ > All right, how many more genius poets lurking in here? Crikey. Don't look at me. I haven't written a poem since it was an 8th-grade class assignment. SignatureJohn Varela Trade NEWlamps for OLDlamps for email John Varela filted: >> All right, how many more genius poets lurking in here? Crikey. > >Don't look at me. I haven't written a poem since it was an >8th-grade class assignment. Nor at me...Brian was the lyricist; I set 'em to music....r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? >> All right, how many more genius poets lurking in here? Crikey. > >Don't look at me. I haven't written a poem since it was an >8th-grade class assignment. That's rare genius, that is. SignatureRichard Bollard Canberra Australia To email, I'm at AMT not spAMT. [ ,,, ] > >Don't look at me. I haven't written a poem since it was an > >8th-grade class assignment. > > That's rare genius, that is. Indeed. I prefer to describe myself as a producer of doggerel. At worst I elicit agreement, and occasionally someone will actually say something like "Aw, you're not quite that bad." Hey, even faint praise is praise. Mr. Hogg, who competes in another league, is for real. SignatureBob Lieblich Has anyone seen my Positive Reinforcer? > All right, how many more genius poets lurking in here? Crikey. Genius I don't think, but my last published poem entitled "Creative Accounting" appeared in Critical Perspectives on Accounting (Volume 9, Issue 3, June 1998, Page 376) Not to be outdone, Prof Page achieved publication in the same journal a little later with a poem entitled "Valediction" (Critical Perspectives on Accounting, Volume 12, Issue 6, December 2001, Page 796) We were both disappointed when our work was not included in an anthology drawn from this journal - see http://www.accaglobal.com/pubs/publicinterest/activities/research/publications/t ech-pa-001.pdf SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) >> All right, how many more genius poets lurking in here? Crikey. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >drawn from this journal - see >http://www.accaglobal.com/pubs/publicinterest/activities/research/publications/t ech-pa-001.pdf Its editors must be philistines. Does copyright permit you to post the poems here? SignatureKaty Jennison spamtrap: remove the first two letters after the @ >>> All right, how many more genius poets lurking in here? Crikey. >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Its editors must be philistines. Does copyright permit you to post > the poems here? Probably not but that wouldn't prevent me if I could find mine... (Can't speak for the learned prof who is no doubt pottering on his allotment and not reading aue at the moment) SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) >> Today's newspaper carried a short blurb on the selection ofCarolAnnDuffyas Britain's poet laureate. She is described as "Duffy, 53, a >> lesbian single mother...". [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >I thenk you. There appears to be a contest for AUE Poet Laureate. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >On Sat, 2 May 2009 12:50:19 -0700 (PDT), Vinny Burgoo >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>What did the elephant say about Cloughie? >>by Vinny Burgoo [Mickwickian snip for postal economy] >>I thenk you. > >There appears to be a contest for AUE Poet Laureate. Would an unofficial laureate be another Pirate Bay? The judge who heard that case is accused of bias because he is in favour of copyright. <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8014626.stm> for those few who will care enough to enquire further and wish to know the opinions of Rick Falkvinge, leader of the Swedish Pirate Party. Utterly off topic but included for the sake of completeness. SignaturePaul On May 2, 2:50 pm, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net> wrote: ... > There appears to be a contest for AUE Poet Laureate. Which we could shorten to "Poet Lauereate". I have a suggestion for the traditional butt of sherry: http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/04/06/sherrybritton_narrowweb__300x559,0.jpg -- Jerry Friedman On 4 May, 22:05, jerry_fried...@yahoo.com wrote: > On May 2, 2:50 pm, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/04/06/sherrybritton_narrowweb__30... I wasn't thinking of applying But that prize might get me trying Mike M >On 4 May, 22:05, jerry_fried...@yahoo.com wrote: >> On May 2, 2:50 pm, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >I wasn't thinking of applying >But that prize might get me trying Yet that fundament of Sherry'd Leave you cold -- she's dead and buried. SignatureJames >> Today's newspaper carried a short blurb on the selection ofCarolAnnDuffyas Britain's poet laureate. She is described as "Duffy, 53, a >> lesbian single mother...". [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >I thenk you. Very good. By the way, did John Betjeman ever actually start a poem with "So"? Or was that just Private Eye? SignatureJames > On Sat, 2 May 2009 12:50:19 -0700 (PDT), Vinny Burgoo [...] > >I thenk you. > > Very good. By the way, did John Betjeman ever actually start a > poem with "So"? Or was that just Private Eye? I think it was just Private Eye, but I'm no poetry expert (in case you hadn't guessed). -- VB > Today's newspaper carried a short blurb on the selection of Carol > Ann Duffy as Britain's poet laureate. She is described as "Duffy, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > What is the relevancy about Duffy? I guess it's relevant to her; in the account/interview I read, it seems to me she brought it up. SignatureFrank ess >> Today's newspaper carried a short blurb on the selection of Carol >> Ann Duffy as Britain's poet laureate. She is described as "Duffy, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >I guess it's relevant to her; in the account/interview I read, it >seems to me she brought it up. That's completely different. What I'm referring to is a two-column-inch blurb in a newspaper...an announcement of an appointment. What you are referring to is an interview where she participated and she set the storyline. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |
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