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Discussion Groups / English Usage / May 2009Opps, butterfingers - 'It really counts' 2
Your collected thoughts would be much appreciated on a paraphrase for the following, from a paper on football business management which I'm proofreading today (between moving carpets). "... Mitchell et al. (1997) proposed a model that sought to identify those stakeholders who really count." I know exactly what the writer means, but I don't think 'really count' is appropriate academic English. He's used similar structures several times in the same piece. DC -- >Your collected thoughts would be much appreciated on a paraphrase for >the following, from a paper on football business management which I'm [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >is appropriate academic English. He's used similar structures several >times in the same piece. Mitchell...proposed a model to identify the most significant stakeholders. It's time to call a halt to padding by seeking.  SignaturePaul > > Your collected thoughts would be much appreciated on a paraphrase > > for the following, from a paper on football business management [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Mitchell...proposed a model to identify the most significant > stakeholders. Yes, I think I need to go with something like that - I'd been thinking round 'significant' or 'important', and Peter's suggestion of 'core' also has legs. The paper is about 'stakeholder salience'. This actually means, apparently, the art of deciding which stakeholders in an organisation are important and which are less so. 'Those who really count' seems to be the exactly right phrase here, but I think 'most significant' is what I'm going to have to go for for the sake of correct register. Thanks DC -- >> > Your collected thoughts would be much appreciated on a paraphrase >> > for the following, from a paper on football business management [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >be the exactly right phrase here, but I think 'most significant' is >what I'm going to have to go for for the sake of correct register. "salient stakeholders"? SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) > >> > Your collected thoughts would be much appreciated on a paraphrase > >> > for the following, from a paper on football business management [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > > "salient stakeholders"? Possibly, and I think I might suggest that as a possibility to the client, thanks. I've just gone through and changed all the incidents of 'really count' to 'have particular significance'. DC -- >>>>> Your collected thoughts would be much appreciated on a paraphrase >>>>> for the following, from a paper on football business management [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > client, thanks. I've just gone through and changed all the incidents > of 'really count' to 'have particular significance'. A stakeholder (yukky word) may be salient for any of a great number of reasons. The same objection may, I think, apply to significance. Of course, that objection wouldn't stand if the relevant kind of significance has been defined earlier in the paper. Otherwise, how about making it specific? The stakeholders to be identified would, for example, have the greatest influence on the organization's decisions, or public image, or whatever. SignatureMike. >Your collected thoughts would be much appreciated on a paraphrase for >the following, from a paper on football business management which I'm [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >is appropriate academic English. He's used similar structures several >times in the same piece. I switched my brain into management goobledegook mode and came up with "core stakeholders". "... Mitchell et al. (1997) proposed a model that sought to identify core stakeholders." It seems that others got there before me: http://www.marcbowles.com/courses/adv_dip/module1/chapter6/amc1_ch6_eight.htm * Core or primary stakeholders are those who are directly involved in the process of delivering the outcomes being sought or will be positively or negatively affected by the outcomes being sought. * Non-core or secondary stakeholders are those who are indirectly involved in the process of achieving the outcomes or may be indirectly affected by the outcomes being sought. Core stakeholders are essential to the survival of the organisation. These stakeholders usually must be satisfied if the outcomes are to be achieved in a manner that may be considered successful. http://www.uua.org/aboutus/governance/boardtrustees/youthministry/stakeholders/1 5539.shtml Core Stakeholders The task force has identified eight stakeholder groups that are absolutely essential to this process. The task force will engage with these core stakeholder groups to tailor the conversation and visioning process to their needs. This uses a wide definition of the phrase: http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/mod/resource/view.php?id=198209 SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >Your collected thoughts would be much appreciated on a paraphrase for >the following, from a paper on football business management which I'm [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >is appropriate academic English. He's used similar structures several >times in the same piece. "Crucial" stakeholders? > > Your collected thoughts would be much appreciated on a paraphrase > > for the following, from a paper on football business management [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > "Crucial" stakeholders? Yes, that I like. -- Django Cat filted: >> > "... Mitchell et al. (1997) proposed a model that sought to identify >> > those stakeholders who really count." [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Yes, that I like. Still more vampire imagery?... With varying degrees of solemnity, I suggest "significant", "pertinent" and "relevant" stakeholders....r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? >> > Your collected thoughts would be much appreciated on a paraphrase >> > for the following, from a paper on football business management [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Yes, that I like. I'd draw a difference. A "crucial stakeholder" is one whose support is necessary, while a "stakeholder who really counts" is one whose support is worth worrying about. You can probably succeed with the support of two thirds of the significant stakeholders, but that level of support from the crucial ones would sink you. Or they wouldn't be crucial. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |The purpose of writing is to inflate 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |weak ideas, obscure poor reasoning, Palo Alto, CA 94304 |and inhibit clarity. With a little |practice, writing can be an kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com |intimidating and impenetrable fog! (650)857-7572 | Calvin http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ Django Cat set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time continuum: > Your collected thoughts would be much appreciated on a paraphrase for > the following, from a paper on football business management which I'm [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > is appropriate academic English. He's used similar structures several > times in the same piece. ". . . stakeholders who hold a big enough stake for us to actually notice, as distinct from the smallfry whom we shall be ignoring." Signatureξ:) Proud to be curly Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply > Django Cat set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time > continuum: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > ". . . stakeholders who hold a big enough stake for us to actually notice, > as distinct from the smallfry whom we shall be ignoring." "Key stakeholders" is the term I've come across. And despite 15 years or more of it, the term still makes me think of Van Helsing. SignatureOnline waterways route planner: http://canalplan.org.uk development version: http://canalplan.eu > Django Cat set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time > continuum: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > ". . . stakeholders who hold a big enough stake for us to actually notice, > as distinct from the smallfry whom we shall be ignoring." Maybe the two groups are "scary stakeholders" and "nominal stakeholders". -- Jerry Friedman > Django Cat set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time > continuum: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > ". . . stakeholders who hold a big enough stake for us to actually > notice, as distinct from the smallfry whom we shall be ignoring." Good stuff. -- >> Django Cat set the following eddies spiralling through the >> space-time continuum: >>> Your collected thoughts would be much appreciated on a paraphrase >>> for the following, from a paper on football business management >>> which I'm proofreading today (between moving carpets). >>> "... Mitchell et al. (1997) proposed a model that sought to >>> identify those stakeholders who really count." >>> I know exactly what the writer means, but I don't think 'really >>> count' is appropriate academic English. He's used similar >>> structures several times in the same piece. >> ". . . stakeholders who hold a big enough stake for us to actually >> notice, as distinct from the smallfry whom we shall be ignoring." > Good stuff. I don't think anyone's suggested "principal stakeholders". Lovely word, really: looks respectable and means whatever you want, within limits. > > > Django Cat set the following eddies spiralling through the > > > space-time continuum: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > word, really: looks respectable and means whatever you want, within > limits. I like that. I'll see if I can work it in... DC -- > Your collected thoughts would be much appreciated on a paraphrase for > the following, from a paper on football business management which I'm [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > DC In the very last thing I looked at this morning, the abstract, my client has provided his own, better, paraphrase: "stakeholders who really *matter* ". DC -- |
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