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Discussion Groups / English Usage / May 2009"club" as /klUb/
In which British accent(s) is the word "club" pronounced /klUb/? An example would be the guy who voices the teases[1] for "The Comedy Club" on BBC R7. -GAWollman [1] I believe BrE (or at least BBC-E) uses a different word for this but I don't recall it. "Trails", maybe?  SignatureGarrett A. Wollman | The real tragedy of human existence is not that we are wollman@csail.mit.edu| nasty by nature, but that a cruel structural asymmetry Opinions not those | grants to rare events of meanness such power to shape of MIT or CSAIL. | our history. - S.J. Gould, Ten Thousand Acts of Kindness >In which British accent(s) is the word "club" pronounced /klUb/? An >example would be the guy who voices the teases[1] for "The Comedy >Club" on BBC R7. Here's the map from An Atlas of English Dialects. The pronunciation is indicated by "oo": http://tinyurl.com/og873e SignatureJames >In which British accent(s) is the word "club" pronounced /klUb/? An >example would be the guy who voices the teases[1] for "The Comedy >Club" on BBC R7. I'd lump them all together as northern English. I can't bring to mind what the Scotch varieties are. >[1] I believe BrE (or at least BBC-E) uses a different word for this >but I don't recall it. "Trails", maybe? Yes. They used to be "trailers" years ago in cinemas, in the "coming next week" slot after the newsreel. Then one day I woke up to the use of the short form "trails" by the Beeb. SignaturePaul > Garrett Wollman <woll...@bimajority.org> wrote>In which British accent(s) is the word "club" pronounced /klUb/? An > >example would be the guy who voices the teases[1] for "The Comedy [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > next week" slot after the newsreel. Then one day I woke up to the use of > the short form "trails" by the Beeb. Which is a curiosity in itself. Normally, things trail _behind_ other things. A trailer is towed behind a car. So why is the thing that comes _before_ the programme a "trail"? Seems odd. Mike M >> Garrett Wollman <woll...@bimajority.org> wrote>In which British >> accent(s) is the word "club" pronounced /klUb/? An [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > So why is the thing that comes _before_ the programme a "trail"? Seems > odd. Perhaps by analogy with a banner being trailed behind an aeroplane to announce a coming event. SignatureLes (BrE) >> Garrett Wollman <woll...@bimajority.org> wrote>In which British accent(s) is the word "club" pronounced /klUb/? An >> >example would be the guy who voices the teases[1] for "The Comedy [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >So why is the thing that comes _before_ the programme a "trail"? Seems >odd. I wonder whether the meaning has been transferred from that of a advertising trailer towed by a vehicle or, perhaps in earlier times, a horse: http://www.armitagetrailers.com/images/banneradweb_001.jpg I have no idea when such trailers were first used. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >> Garrett Wollman <woll...@bimajority.org> wrote>In which British accent(s) is the word "club" pronounced /klUb/? An >> >example would be the guy who voices the teases[1] for "The Comedy [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >So why is the thing that comes _before_ the programme a "trail"? Seems >odd. Someone put precisely that question to The Straight Dope and received this answer: "According to Paramount executive Lou Harris, as quoted in the Los Angeles Times of October 25, 1966, the first trailer was screened at Rye Beach, a New York-area amusement park, in 1912: One of the concessions hung up a white sheet and showed the serial "The Adventures of Kathlyn." At the end of the reel Kathlyn was thrown in the lion's den. After this "trailed" a piece of film asking Does she escape the lion's pit? See next week's thrilling chapter! Hence, the word "trailer," an advertisement for a coming picture. ... A few points here: One, if the coming attraction happens to be the next installment in a serial, of course you'd show an ad for it after the preceding episode, not before. And two, Harris seems to suggest that the word trailer refers less to when the clip was screened within the sequence of the program than to how the actual piece of film was used - it was stuck on the end of the main attraction and thus trailed behind." SignatureJames [...] >> So why is the thing that comes _before_ the programme a "trail"? >> Seems odd. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > actual piece of film was used - it was stuck on the end of the > main attraction and thus trailed behind." Thus neatly matching the "leader", which is a strip stuck on the front. (See also leading and trailing edges of aerofoils.) Easy enough to see the advertising function being so firmly attached to the word "trailer" as to detach it from any idea of position. SignatureMike. >> Garrett Wollman <woll...@bimajority.org> wrote>In which British >> accent(s) is the word "club" pronounced /klUb/? An [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > So why is the thing that comes _before_ the programme a "trail"? Seems > odd. Do you want to get a stray cat/dog (or an untrained new one) to follow you home? You put a bait on a string and trail it behind you, but it comes in front of the animal being tempted. You trail your bait out of a boat. Of course, only a couple of weeks ago, we conversed about "trolling". The idea is the same. The trailers are bait for the next fish to bite. |
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