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fl - 27 May 2009 21:48 GMT
Hi,
I see the following article on the web. Although I check the word
filibuster in a dictionary, I am still unclear its meaing in this
sentence at the end of this post. In the dictionary, the difinition of
filibuster is:

to try to delay action in Congress or another law-making group by
making very long speeches:

It seems that the meaning of filibuster in the article is different
from the dictionary. What is your opnion? Thanks.

WASHINGTON (AP) - The top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee
said Wednesday he doesn't foresee a filibuster against Supreme Court
nominee Sonia Sotomayor, even though he thinks her legal philosophy
should be closely examined.
Skitt - 27 May 2009 21:58 GMT
> Hi,
> I see the following article on the web. Although I check the word
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> nominee Sonia Sotomayor, even though he thinks her legal philosophy
> should be closely examined.

It has the meaning as shown in the dictionary.
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Mark Brader - 27 May 2009 23:31 GMT
Farhad L.:
> > In the dictionary, the difinition of filibuster is:
 
> >    to try to delay action in Congress or another law-making group by
> >    making very long speeches:

> > It seems that the meaning of filibuster in the article is different
> > from the dictionary. What is your opnion? Thanks.
> >
> >    WASHINGTON (AP) - The top Republican on the Senate Judiciary
> >    Committee said Wednesday he doesn't foresee a filibuster
> >    against Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor...

"Skitt":
> It has the meaning as shown in the dictionary.

Perhaps Farhad does not realize that in the US when the president
nominates someone for the Supreme Court, the Senate must vote to
consent to this choice before the person actually joins the court.
So if there was a filibuster in the Senate, it would delay this
action, exactly as the dictionary had it.
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Hatunen - 27 May 2009 23:50 GMT
>Farhad L.:
>> > In the dictionary, the difinition of filibuster is:
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>So if there was a filibuster in the Senate, it would delay this
>action, exactly as the dictionary had it.

This can be elaborated on. Once a Senator has the floor to speak
(filibusters are not possible in the House of Representatives) no
other business can be conducted. A filibusterer must retain
control of the floor so long that the rest of the Senate decides
they have more pressing matters than whatever the speaker
opposes. Stories of filibusters are legendary, with the speaker
reciting recipes, telling stories, etc. The speechifiers can
yield the floor to another filibusterer from time to time.

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Lars Eighner - 27 May 2009 22:02 GMT
In our last episode,
<3639a4a3-baf9-4fb7-aa4d-c062bfe1b31d@v4g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented fl
broadcast on alt.usage.english:

> Hi,
> I see the following article on the web. Although I check the word
> filibuster in a dictionary, I am still unclear its meaing in this
> sentence at the end of this post. In the dictionary, the difinition of
> filibuster is:

>  to try to delay action in Congress or another law-making group by
> making very long speeches:

> It seems that the meaning of filibuster in the article is different
> from the dictionary. What is your opnion? Thanks.

It seems to me it means exactly what the definition indicates.

> WASHINGTON (AP) - The top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee
> said Wednesday he doesn't foresee a filibuster against Supreme Court
> nominee Sonia Sotomayor, even though he thinks her legal philosophy
> should be closely examined.

He does not think Republicans will block confirmation of the by
(threatening) to speak until the nomination is withdrawn.

In truth, filibusters in the US Senate seldom actually occur.  The minority
simply anounce that they intend to filibuster.  The (majority) leadership
will then not bring the matter to floor so long as there is a real threat of
filibuster.

A filibuster in the US Senate can be defeated if the majority has 60 votes
(of 100) to limit debate.  In this case, Sotomayor's nomination has 60 votes
(because Democrats have 59 votes and 1 Republican has agreed to support the
nomination) so mention of a filibuster is an idle threat.

The "top Republican" does not predict a filibuster --- perhaps because
he knows he does not have the votes to sustain one.  He predicts he will not
do what he cannot do.

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Evan Kirshenbaum - 28 May 2009 04:48 GMT
> the lovely and talented fl broadcast on alt.usage.english:
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> (majority) leadership will then not bring the matter to floor so
> long as there is a real threat of filibuster.

According to Wikipedia (which agrees with my memory), they're not all
that rare:

   Filibusters have become much more common in recent decades. Twice
   as many filibusters took place in the 1991-1992 legislative
   session as took place in the entire nineteenth century.[16] ...

   The filibuster has tremendously increased in frequency of use
   since the 1960s. In the 1960s, no Senate term had more than seven
   filibusters. One of the most notable filibusters of the 1960s was
   when southern Democratic Senators attempted, unsuccessfully, to
   block the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by making a
   filibuster that lasted for 75 hours. In the first decade of the
   21st century, no Senate term had fewer than 49 filibusters. The
   1999-2002 Senate terms both had 58 filibusters.[21] The 110th
   Congress broke the record for filibuster cloture votes reaching
   112 at the end of 2008. [22] [23]

         http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster

One of the things that's apparently changed is that you no longer have
to actually speak in order to filibuster; you only have to declare
that you are filibustering.  Apparently the other side can require you
to actually speak, but presumably they don't because they know that
they'd be required to in retaliation when the shoe was on the other
foot.

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Mark Brader - 28 May 2009 08:49 GMT
Evan Kirshenbaum:
> One of the things that's apparently changed is that you no longer have
> to actually speak in order to filibuster; you only have to declare
> that you are filibustering...

Now imagine "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" remade with that rule!
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james - 27 May 2009 22:31 GMT
In message
<3639a4a3-baf9-4fb7-aa4d-c062bfe1b31d@v4g2000vba.googlegroups.com>, fl
<rxjwg98@gmail.com> writes
>Hi,
>I see the following article on the web. Although I check the word
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>It seems that the meaning of filibuster in the article is different
>from the dictionary. What is your opnion? Thanks.

The English parliament has the guillotine ever since the talented
member, Desmond Donnelly, used the filibuster.
--    JF
Garrett Wollman - 28 May 2009 04:01 GMT
>The English parliament has the guillotine ever since the talented
>member, Desmond Donnelly, used the filibuster.

The U.S. Senate has had cloture (note unusual consonant) for many
years.  The fraction of Senators present required to invoke it has
varied, and there's at least a one-day delay after cloture is invoked
before the matter is brought up again.  (One must remember that the
Senate, like many upper houses, handles nearly all of its routine
business on a unanimous-consent basis.  This includes the motions
necessary to bring a bill up for consideration.)[1]

The House of Representatives has always had time limits on debate, and
most bills with significant opposition are considered under special
rules that restrict amendments, waive points of order, and define how
the time is to be divided.  (An additional confounding factor is that
nearly all floor debate occurs in the grandly named Committee of the
Whole House on the State of the Union; rules generally provide that
when the Committee of the Whole rises, no further amendments are
permitted before the House votes on passage.)

-GAWollman

[1] Query: in Westminster, what happens if the House of Lords fails to
take up a bill passed by the Commons?  Is it treated for Parliament
Acts purposes the same as if the upper house actually voted the
measure down?
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Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 28 May 2009 11:14 GMT
>[1] Query: in Westminster, what happens if the House of Lords fails to
>take up a bill passed by the Commons?  Is it treated for Parliament
>Acts purposes the same as if the upper house actually voted the
>measure down?

I believe so.

The Parliament Act (PA) 1911 as amended by the PA 1949:
http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/briefings/snpc-00675.pdf

   2(3) A Bill shall be deemed to be rejected by the House of Lords if
   it is not passed by the House of Lords either without amendment or
   with such amendments only as may be agreed to by both Houses.

That would surely include a case where the Lords has not even discussed
the bill.

The following document describes the situation where the Lords start
discussing a bill but do not complete the stages of consideration within
the time allowed:
http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/briefings/snpc-00675.pdf

   3. Rejection of a bill
   The Parliament Acts set out the procedures which are available
   should the House of Lords “reject” a bill; and section 2(3) of the
   1911 Act states that for this purpose a bill is deemed to
   be rejected by the House of Lords “if it is not passed by that House
   either without amendment or with such amendments only as may be
   agreed to by both Houses”. The clearest case is when the House of
   Lords declines to give a bill a second reading, (as with the
   European Parliamentary Elections Bill 1998-99). With the War Crimes
   Bill 1990-91 (the Bill presented in the second session) the Lords
   agreed an amendment that delayed the bill being read a second time
   by six months (as it happened, beyond the prospective end of the
   session.) Amendments such as this are tantamount to rejection in
   both Houses,[1] and a Speaker’s statement was made the following day
   which indicated that what had been done in the Lords was regarded as
   rejection of the Bill. The Lords took the same action with the
   Criminal Justice (Mode of Trial) (No 2) Bill 1999-2000.

[1] The statement "Amendments such as this are tantamount to rejection
in both Houses" is potentially ambiguous. It means "An amendment such as
this is tantamount to rejection by the House which makes it".

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Steve Hayes - 28 May 2009 05:41 GMT
>Hi,
>I see the following article on the web. Although I check the word
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> to try to delay action in Congress or another law-making group by
>making very long speeches:

Which came first - the making of long speeches or people who raid into
neighbouring countries,

The classic filibuster was Leander Starr Jameson.

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Evan Kirshenbaum - 28 May 2009 06:23 GMT
>>Hi, I see the following article on the web. Although I check the
>>word filibuster in a dictionary, I am still unclear its meaing in
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Which came first - the making of long speeches or people who raid into
> neighbouring countries,

The latter, although that's not quite how the OED describes it:

 2. a. One of a class of piratical adventurers who pillaged the
       Spanish colonies in the West Indies during the 17th c.

That's cited to 1792.  There's a second subsense of

    b. A member of any of those bands of adventurers who between 1850
       and 1860 organized expeditions from the United States, in
       violation of international law, for the purpose of
       revolutionizing certain states in Central America and the
       Spanish West Indies.

cited to 1854, but the legislative sense (as a verb) of

 2. To obstruct progress in a legislative assembly; to practise
    obstruction.

is cited to 1853, so both the extension and the transferred sense
appear to have happened at about the same time.

I did come across a slight antedating for the legislative sense:

   [Attn Jesse Sheidlower: OED antedating]

   Mr. CARTTER.  I am ready to acquiesce in any reasonable humbug for
   the benefit of the West, [laughter,] any plausible humbug; but
   when you come to talk about light-houses upon the Ohio river I am
   ready to filibuster.

                          _The Congressional Globe, 8/4/1852

There are also antedatings for the "excursion sense", though without
looking closely at them, I'm not sure which ones are talking about the
earlier sense and which an extended sense.

There also appears to be a somewhat earlier medical sense.  I was
surprised to see

   The picture-book that seems to have been our first, was about one
   Mr.  Filibuster (in the medical profession, we presume, from the
   name),

But then I started to see things like

   We never cured a case of prolapsus by the pessary, or of
   long-standing leucorroea, connected with inflammatory or
   ulcerative disease of the cervix, by constitutional treatment and
   the ordinary local appliances.
      Such _fillibustering_ [sic] may succeed in recent and trivial
   cases, but when the disease is more strongly intrenched, it can
   only be dislodged by a superior force operating directly and
   systematically upon it.

                   _Ohio Medical and Surgical Journal_, July, 1853

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J. J. Lodder - 28 May 2009 13:42 GMT
> >>Hi, I see the following article on the web. Although I check the
> >>word filibuster in a dictionary, I am still unclear its meaing in
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> is cited to 1853, so both the extension and the transferred sense
> appear to have happened at about the same time.

And before that it is supposed to be from French 'flibustier',
from Spanish 'filibustero',
which is supposed to have been derived from Dutch 'vrijbuiter'
(who in the 17th were pirates with a licence, freebooters)

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