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Egbert White - 25 Jun 2009 11:10 GMT
Sometime in the past many years, someone in AUE has brought up the
movie line "But dear, if we had waited till we could afford it, we
wouldn't even HAVE a piano."  Someone else has said, IIRC, it's from
"Palm Beach Story," spoken by Claudette Colbert. I recently watched
"Palm Beach Story" on TCM, but I never heard that line.

Is that really where the line is from, and has the version on TCM had
the line cut from it?  Or is it there and I missed it?  Or is it from
somewhere else?
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Hatunen - 25 Jun 2009 22:53 GMT
>Sometime in the past many years, someone in AUE has brought up the
>movie line "But dear, if we had waited till we could afford it, we
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>the line cut from it?  Or is it there and I missed it?  Or is it from
>somewhere else?

The Internet Movie Database doesn't show it as a Memorable Quote
in that movie.

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Egbert White - 26 Jun 2009 00:06 GMT
>>Sometime in the past many years, someone in AUE has brought up the
>>movie line "But dear, if we had waited till we could afford it, we
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>The Internet Movie Database doesn't show it as a Memorable Quote
>in that movie.

Thank you.  

Is there a way at the IMB (or anywhere else) to find out what movie it
*was* in?  
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Peter Brandt Nielsen - 26 Jun 2009 08:19 GMT
> Is there a way at the IMB (or anywhere else) to find out what movie it
> *was* in?  

I've tried to search for it (or variations of it) in IMDb (using
Google), but I don't think it's there. A few regular Google searches
didn't turn up anything either, though that doesn't mean the words
aren't there to be found somewhere.
CDB - 26 Jun 2009 13:42 GMT
>>> Sometime in the past many years, someone in AUE has brought up the
>>> movie line "But dear, if we had waited till we could afford it, we
>>> wouldn't even HAVE a piano."  Someone else has said, IIRC, it's
>>> from "Palm Beach Story," spoken by Claudette Colbert. I recently
>>> watched "Palm Beach Story" on TCM, but I never heard that line.

>>> Is that really where the line is from, and has the version on TCM
>>> had the line cut from it?  Or is it there and I missed it?  Or is
>>> it from somewhere else?

>> The Internet Movie Database doesn't show it as a Memorable Quote
>> in that movie.

> Thank you.

> Is there a way at the IMB (or anywhere else) to find out what movie
> it *was* in?

You may be thinking of a sig used in 2006 by Bob Cunningham:

"But, dear, if we lived within our income,
   We wouldn't even *have* a piano!"
         --Claudette Colbert to Joel McCrea
           Palm Beach Story

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usage.english/browse_thread/thread/ff38f1d1fe
90496a/da8757ba26b61c12?lnk=gst&q=+piano+Cunningham#da8757ba26b61c12


http://tinyurl.com/nqs85c

I couldn't find it in that form either, but I didn't look very hard.
Egbert White - 26 Jun 2009 18:27 GMT
>>>> Sometime in the past many years, someone in AUE has brought up the
>>>> movie line "But dear, if we had waited till we could afford it, we
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>          --Claudette Colbert to Joel McCrea
>            Palm Beach Story

IMMSMW, the background of that signature is that someone inquired in
AUE whether anyone knew where the line came from, and someone
responded that it was from Palm Beach Story, whereupon it was
trustingly used in a signature file with attribution to Palm Beach
Story, but that was probably not good information.  However, sometimes
the versions of movies that are offered by TCM have had stuff cut from
the original, so it's conceivable that that's what happened to the
funny line and Palm Beach Story.  It would be nice to know who gave
the response and what their source was for the information.

An example of cutting at TCM is in the version of Casablanca they're
now offering from time to time.  Casablanca used to close with an
airplane making a left turn without banking.  Current offerings stop
after the plane takes off but before it turns.

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CDB - 26 Jun 2009 20:47 GMT
>>>>> Sometime in the past many years, someone in AUE has brought up
>>>>> the movie line "But dear, if we had waited till we could afford
>>>>> it, we wouldn't even HAVE a piano."  Someone else has said,
>>>>> IIRC, it's from "Palm Beach Story," spoken by Claudette
>>>>> Colbert. I recently watched "Palm Beach Story" on TCM, but I
>>>>> never heard that line.

>>>>> Is that really where the line is from, and has the version on
>>>>> TCM had the line cut from it?  Or is it there and I missed it?
>>>>> Or is it from somewhere else?

>>>> The Internet Movie Database doesn't show it as a Memorable Quote
>>>> in that movie.

>>> Is there a way at the IMB (or anywhere else) to find out what
>>> movie it *was* in?

>> You may be thinking of a sig used in 2006 by Bob Cunningham:

>> "But, dear, if we lived within our income,
>>    We wouldn't even *have* a piano!"
>>          --Claudette Colbert to Joel McCrea
>>            Palm Beach Story

> IMMSMW, the background of that signature is that someone inquired in
> AUE whether anyone knew where the line came from, and someone
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> to know who gave the response and what their source was for the
> information.

Ah.  Swallowed by Googlegroups, apparently.  I mostly intended to
point the different form of the quotation; but IMDB pays no attention
to quotation marks: what's up with that?

> An example of cutting at TCM is in the version of Casablanca they're
> now offering from time to time.  Casablanca used to close with an
> airplane making a left turn without banking.  Current offerings stop
> after the plane takes off but before it turns.

Politically incorrect maneuver*?

*I hesitated over the spelling.  The BrE version, and therefore no
doubt the politically correct Canadian version, is "manoeuvre", but
when I see it written that way, I want to pronounce it / m&nWvr/.
Hatunen - 26 Jun 2009 22:37 GMT
>>>>>> Sometime in the past many years, someone in AUE has brought up
>>>>>> the movie line "But dear, if we had waited till we could afford
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>
>Politically incorrect maneuver*?

Physically impossible maneuver. You can't turn a plane without
banking.

I have a commercial DVD of Casablanca (not the TCM version) and I
just watched the ending. The plane flies straight into the clouds
and disappears. I also have a DVD I recorded off TCM; it has the
same ending.

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Egbert White - 27 Jun 2009 08:34 GMT
>>>>>>> Sometime in the past many years, someone in AUE has brought up
>>>>>>> the movie line "But dear, if we had waited till we could afford
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
>Physically impossible maneuver. You can't turn a plane without
>banking.

You can if it's a model hanging on strings and being manipulated by
human hands, which this one probably was.  It didn't look quite like a
real airplane.

>I have a commercial DVD of Casablanca (not the TCM version) and I
>just watched the ending. The plane flies straight into the clouds
>and disappears. I also have a DVD I recorded off TCM; it has the
>same ending.

About hanging on a string:  When we visited Old Tucson, they told us
about a scene they shot for a movie in which they hung a dirigible
from cables.  To minimize the visual intrusion of the cables, they
hung the dirigible upside down, then turned the picture over for the
movie.  Who's going to notice cables from the bottom of the dirigible?
I wouldn't be surprised to learn they used the same trick for the
Casablanca plane making its left turn without banking.
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Mark Brader - 27 Jun 2009 09:05 GMT
>>> Politically incorrect maneuver*?

>> Physically impossible maneuver. You can't turn a plane without
>> banking.

> You can if it's a model hanging on strings ...

Exactly.
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Hatunen - 27 Jun 2009 18:28 GMT
>>>>>>>> Sometime in the past many years, someone in AUE has brought up
>>>>>>>> the movie line "But dear, if we had waited till we could afford
[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
>human hands, which this one probably was.  It didn't look quite like a
>real airplane.

I'm sure it isn't. Now I'm wondering iif it was a physical object
or somehow animated. I'll ahve to look and see if there's any
change in perspective as it nmoves away from the camera.

>>I have a commercial DVD of Casablanca (not the TCM version) and I
>>just watched the ending. The plane flies straight into the clouds
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>I wouldn't be surprised to learn they used the same trick for the
>Casablanca plane making its left turn without banking.

Whetherit actually did so seems to be the whole point here. I
simply cannot see them shooting the whole scene twice, one with a
turn and one without. Is it possible the turn mentioned occurred
in one of the earlier airplane scenes?

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Egbert White - 27 Jun 2009 20:04 GMT
>>>>>>>>> Sometime in the past many years, someone in AUE has brought up
>>>>>>>>> the movie line "But dear, if we had waited till we could afford
[quoted text clipped - 70 lines]
>turn and one without. Is it possible the turn mentioned occurred
>in one of the earlier airplane scenes?

My memory keeps telling me that the funny left turn was the very last
thing in the movie.

One possible scenario would be that after the plane entered the clouds
and the other things happened, the plane later emerged from the clouds
and made its left turn.  That avoids the suggestion of a multiple
shoot.

If it will set your mind at ease to assume that I dreamed or imagined
the event, that's okay with me, but I will continue to think it's a
genuine memory.


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Evan Kirshenbaum - 28 Jun 2009 16:22 GMT
> My memory keeps telling me that the funny left turn was the very last
> thing in the movie.
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> the event, that's okay with me, but I will continue to think it's a
> genuine memory.

I poked around a little on Google and Google Books, and I can't find
anybody else who appears to have mentioned it--including in two
searchable books on the movie, which seems strange for something like
that in a movie like that.

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Mark Brader - 27 Jun 2009 09:04 GMT
Dave Hatunen:
> I have a commercial DVD of Casablanca (not the TCM version) and I
> just watched the ending. The plane flies straight into the clouds
> and disappears. ...

Would you mind comparing the run time of this DVD, and the ending, with
the details I posted in another branch of the subthread?
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Hatunen - 27 Jun 2009 18:30 GMT
>Dave Hatunen:
>> I have a commercial DVD of Casablanca (not the TCM version) and I
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Would you mind comparing the run time of this DVD, and the ending, with
>the details I posted in another branch of the subthread?

I've already removed your earlier post, but I can check the run
times of both the commercial DVD and my TCM copy.

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Mark Brader - 26 Jun 2009 21:40 GMT
>>>>> Sometime in the past many years, someone in AUE has brought up the
>>>>> movie line "But dear, if we had waited till we could afford it, we
>>>>> wouldn't even HAVE a piano."  Someone else has said, IIRC, it's
>>>>> from "Palm Beach Story," spoken by Claudette Colbert. I recently
>>>>> watched "Palm Beach Story" on TCM, but I never heard that line.

>> You may be thinking of a sig used in 2006 by Bob Cunningham:
>>
>>"But, dear, if we lived within our income,
>>    We wouldn't even *have* a piano!"
>>          --Claudette Colbert to Joel McCrea
>>            Palm Beach Story

> IMMSMW, the background of that signature is that someone inquired in
> AUE whether anyone knew where the line came from, and someone
> responded that it was from Palm Beach Story, whereupon it was
> trustingly used in a signature file ...

Makes sense.

> However, sometimes the versions of movies that are offered by TCM have
> had stuff cut from the original, so it's conceivable that that's what
> happened to the funny line and Palm Beach Story.

Not in this case: it'd be out of character.  She's the one who's
*concerned* about money -- so much so that she leaves the husband
she loves, in the hope of improving *his* financial position, and
thus setting the main story in motion.

> An example of cutting at TCM is in the version of Casablanca they're
> now offering from time to time.  Casablanca used to close with an
> airplane making a left turn without banking.  Current offerings stop
> after the plane takes off but before it turns.

On Christmas (Bogart's birthday) in 2008, TCM ran several Bogart movies
and I taped it then.  The copy I taped runs 1:42:22 From the black
screen before Warner Brothers to the black screen after The End, give
or take a second, and the takeoff sequence shows the plane disappearing
into the clouds *without* turning.  The left wing disappears slightly
before the right, which may create a slight illusion of a turn.
Specifically, I have this sequence of shots between cuts:

1:41:12 Rapid closeup pan downward as the bottle is dropped into
       the wastebasket, then to the feet as it's kicked, then upward
       to faces.
1:41:18 The plane taking off, seen from near the runway.
1:41:22 The plane taking off, seen from further away, behind the two
       men's heads as they look straight ahead at it.  It rises out
       of frame at the end of the shot.
1:41:24 Closeup of their faces, now turned to watch the plane.
1:41:26 The plane seen from behind.  It disappears into the clouds at
   the end of the shot.
1:41:33 The two men standing watching it.  They begin walking and talking.
1:41:39 Closer view as they continue.
1:41:50 Back to the first viewpoint as they continue.

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Egbert White - 26 Jun 2009 22:47 GMT
>>>>>> Sometime in the past many years, someone in AUE has brought up the
>>>>>> movie line "But dear, if we had waited till we could afford it, we
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>before the right, which may create a slight illusion of a turn.
>Specifically, I have this sequence of shots between cuts:

No illusion; the plane quite clearly made a left turn without banking.
In the foolish left-turn scene, it seemed clear that they were
shooting it with a model, not with a real airplane.  When I first
watched Casablanca a number of years ago, the bad left turn was there.
I've recorded it twice in recent months because I wanted to show the
left turn to give a laugh to a friend who's a pilot.  Both times it
was missing.

>1:41:12 Rapid closeup pan downward as the bottle is dropped into
>        the wastebasket, then to the feet as it's kicked, then upward
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Your turn.
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Mark Brader - 27 Jun 2009 09:02 GMT
>> On Christmas (Bogart's birthday) in 2008, TCM ran several Bogart movies
>> and I taped it then.  The copy I taped runs 1:42:22 From the black
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> before the right, which may create a slight illusion of a turn.
>> Specifically, I have this sequence of shots between cuts:

> No illusion; the plane quite clearly made a left turn without banking.
> In the foolish left-turn scene, it seemed clear that they were
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> left turn to give a laugh to a friend who's a pilot.  Both times it
> was missing.

So, do you still have that recording?  I say again:

>> 1:41:12 Rapid closeup pan downward as the bottle is dropped into
>>         the wastebasket, then to the feet as it's kicked, then upward
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>>
>> Your turn.
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Egbert White - 27 Jun 2009 10:00 GMT
>>> On Christmas (Bogart's birthday) in 2008, TCM ran several Bogart movies
>>> and I taped it then.  The copy I taped runs 1:42:22 From the black
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>So, do you still have that recording?  

I never had a recording.  It was probably a VCR tape I rented from
Blockbuster.  We were in a short-lived process of viewing all of the
movies on a list of the 100 best movies of the past 100 years, or some
such.  (Citizen Kane, the top of the list IIRC, was a great
disappointment. Birth of a Nation was ridiculous.)

I doubt that Blockbuster still has any VCR tapes.  They were phasing
them out a year or three ago, the last time I visited Blockbuster.

>I say again:
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>>>
>>> Your turn.

Yes, that all agrees with what I see on a current download from TCM.
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Hatunen - 27 Jun 2009 19:14 GMT
Good. I can use this one.

TheWarner Brothers shield emerges from black at 0:00:03 on the
commercial disc.

>>> 1:41:12 Rapid closeup pan downward as the bottle is dropped into
>>>         the wastebasket, then to the feet as it's kicked, then upward
>>>         to faces.

I get 1:41:17

>>> 1:41:18 The plane taking off, seen from near the runway.
>>> 1:41:22 The plane taking off, seen from further away, behind the two
>>>         men's heads as they look straight ahead at it.  It rises out
>>>         of frame at the end of the shot.

1:41:23

>>> 1:41:24 Closeup of their faces, now turned to watch the plane.
>>> 1:41:26 The plane seen from behind.  It disappears into the clouds at
>>>     the end of the shot.

1:41:31
>>> 1:41:33 The two men standing watching it.  They begin walking and talking.

1:41:38

>>> 1:41:39 Closer view as they continue.

1:41:49

>>> 1:41:50 Back to the first viewpoint as they continue.

I wasn't sure what this one was.

I did the timings from the DVD player's clock by slow-stepping
through each point and noting the time of the actual jump cut.

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Mark Brader - 29 Jun 2009 11:15 GMT
Dave Hatunen:
> TheWarner Brothers shield emerges from black at 0:00:03 on the
> commercial disc.

Mark Brader:
>>>> 1:41:12 Rapid closeup pan downward as the bottle is dropped into
>>>>         the wastebasket, then to the feet as it's kicked, then upward
>>>>         to faces.

> I get 1:41:17

>>>> 1:41:18 The plane taking off, seen from near the runway.
>>>> 1:41:22 The plane taking off, seen from further away, behind the two
>>>>         men's heads as they look straight ahead at it.  It rises out
>>>>         of frame at the end of the shot.

> 1:41:23

>>>> 1:41:24 Closeup of their faces, now turned to watch the plane.
>>>> 1:41:26 The plane seen from behind.  It disappears into the clouds at
>>>>     the end of the shot.

> 1:41:31

>>>> 1:41:33 The two men standing watching it.  They begin walking and talking.

> 1:41:38

>>>> 1:41:39 Closer view as they continue.

> 1:41:49

>>>> 1:41:50 Back to the first viewpoint as they continue.

> I wasn't sure what this one was.

> I did the timings from the DVD player's clock by slow-stepping
> through each point and noting the time of the actual jump cut.

I'm not sure how you intend your posting to be read.  It looks to me
as though your times agree with mine to within measurement error, but
that you've interpolated your time *before* the corresponding entries
in my posting.  (For example, your 1:41:17 corresponds to the start of
the first shot of the plane taking off.)  You haven't shown the start
of the vertical-panning shot with the bottle being dropped (where it
cuts from the static shot of the bottle in hand).  And you also haven't
shown the start of the second shots with the plane taking off, even
though your time sequence otherwise agrees with mine, so I guess you just
missed that one.  Have I interpreted correctly?
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Hatunen - 30 Jun 2009 17:05 GMT
>Dave Hatunen:
>> TheWarner Brothers shield emerges from black at 0:00:03 on the
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
>though your time sequence otherwise agrees with mine, so I guess you just
>missed that one.  Have I interpreted correctly?

Pretty much. although without knowing the puropose of the timings
I can't say what the significance is.

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Mark Brader - 30 Jun 2009 19:50 GMT
Mark Brader:
> > Have I interpreted correctly?

Dave Hatunen:
> Pretty much. although without knowing the puropose of the timings
> I can't say what the significance is.

An earlier poster wrote:

| An example of cutting at TCM is in the version of Casablanca they're
| now offering from time to time.  Casablanca used to close with an
| airplane making a left turn without banking.

(That would be physically impossible, thus revealing that it was a
model shot.)

He or she also claimed that to have "recorded the movie twice in recent
months" and that both times it proved to be a version edited to remove
this alleged goof:

| Current offerings stop after the plane takes off but before it turns.

I described the version I recorded from TCM in Christmas, which did not
"stop after the plane takes off", and did not contain this impossible
turn.  I invited the earlier poster to compare this description with
the recording he or she had made, but he or she then said:

# I never had a recording.  It was probably a VCR tape I rented from
# Blockbuster.

By confirming the sequence of shots and the timing, you have confirmed
that the DVD version of the scene is the same as the one I taped from TCM.
Nobody has produced confirmation of the alleged edited version shown on
TCM -- although, of course, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Hatunen - 30 Jun 2009 22:36 GMT
>>Sometime in the past many years, someone in AUE has brought up the
>>movie line "But dear, if we had waited till we could afford it, we
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>The Internet Movie Database doesn't show it as a Memorable Quote
>in that movie.

I doubt that a left turn would have taken more than two seconds
of film, meaning that if you're looking for lost time you'd
really need a DVD player with frame counting, what with the half
second or so precision of using even the player's timer.

I personally doubt the turn ever existed. It would have cost a
little more SFX money and really would have done nothing for the
film.

imdb.com says, under Trivia,

"Because the film was made during WWII they were not allowed to
film at an airport after dark for security reasons. Instead they
used a sound stage with a small cardboard cutout airplane and
forced perspective. To give the illusion that the plane was
full-sized, they used little people to portray the crew preparing
the plane for take-off. Years later the same technique was used
in the film Alien (1979), with director Ridley Scott's son and
some of his friends in scaled down spacesuits."

The Trivia is a fun read for Casablanca afficianados.

The real irony was that a number of the actors were actually
refugees from Europe, including manuy of the German soldiers. PBS
recently had a documentary relating much of this. Fortunately I
recorded it.

Triva also says:

"In the famous scene where the "Marseillaise" is sung over the
German song "Watch on the Rhine", many of the extras had real
tears in their eyes; a large number of them were actual refugees
from Nazi persecution in Germany and elsewhere in Europe and were
overcome by the emotions the scene brought out."

I believe the girl with the guitar singing the "Marseillaise" was
also a refugee.

Ah. Further down it says:

"Madeleine Lebeau, who plays Yvonne, and Marcel Dalio, who plays
croupier Emil, were husband and wife at the time of filming. They
had not long before escaped the Nazis by fleeing their native
France."

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Egbert White - 30 Jun 2009 22:56 GMT
>>>Sometime in the past many years, someone in AUE has brought up the
>>>movie line "But dear, if we had waited till we could afford it, we
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>really need a DVD player with frame counting, what with the half
>second or so precision of using even the player's timer.

I never thought nor suggested that the turn was cut from the film for
economy reasons.  I've assumed that it was cut because people came to
realize how laughably absurd it was.  Meanwhile it managed to remain
in some distribution copies, one of which was the one I viewed years
ago.

>I personally doubt the turn ever existed. It would have cost a
>little more SFX money and really would have done nothing for the
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>had not long before escaped the Nazis by fleeing their native
>France."

Thank you for the truly interesting background stuff.
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Hatunen - 01 Jul 2009 01:08 GMT
>>>>Sometime in the past many years, someone in AUE has brought up the
>>>>movie line "But dear, if we had waited till we could afford it, we
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>I never thought nor suggested that the turn was cut from the film for
>economy reasons.  

It woudln't have saved money because it was already made. I'm
suggesting it might never have been filmed.

>I've assumed that it was cut because people came to
>realize how laughably absurd it was.  Meanwhile it managed to remain
>in some distribution copies, one of which was the one I viewed years
>ago.

OK.

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Egbert White - 30 Jun 2009 23:13 GMT
>>>Sometime in the past many years, someone in AUE has brought up the
>>>movie line "But dear, if we had waited till we could afford it, we
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>>The Internet Movie Database doesn't show it as a Memorable Quote
>>in that movie.

In case anyone is mystified by the weird non sequitur here, Mr Hatunen
gave very interesting and informative comments on a thread that was
entirely different from the one he quoted from.  He commented on the
left-turn-with-no-bank absurdity but he preceded it by quotes from the
wouldn't-even-have-a-piano thread.

>I doubt that a left turn would have taken more than two seconds
>of film, meaning that if you're looking for lost time you'd
>really need a DVD player with frame counting, what with the half
>second or so precision of using even the player's timer.

<Remainder of informative discussion snipped, but I've quoted it in
full in another post.>

By the way, I've written "Mr Hatunen" and used male pronouns to refer
to that person, but it was a shot in the dark.  I have no way to know
if that person is male or female.  If I guessed wrong, I apologize to
her.
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Egbert White - 30 Jun 2009 23:30 GMT
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>By the way, I've written "Mr Hatunen" and used male pronouns to refer
>to that person, but it was a shot in the dark.  I have no way to know
>if that person is male or female.  If I guessed wrong, I apologize to
>her.

Oops.  After I posted that, I noticed "Dave Hatunen" in the signature.
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Robin Bignall - 01 Jul 2009 21:57 GMT
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>
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>
>Oops.  After I posted that, I noticed "Dave Hatunen" in the signature.

In this case you're right but I wouldn't bet on the possibility of
there being no women in America named "Dave".
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Egbert White - 01 Jul 2009 22:15 GMT
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>>
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>In this case you're right but I wouldn't bet on the possibility of
>there being no women in America named "Dave".

Me neither, come to think about it. There's a Davina in a list of
women's names on the Web.
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Skitt - 01 Jul 2009 22:34 GMT
>> Egbert White wrote:
>>> Egbert White wrote and wishes he hadn't:
 
>>>> By the way, I've written "Mr Hatunen" and used male pronouns to
>>>> refer to that person, but it was a shot in the dark.  I have no
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> Me neither, come to think about it. There's a Davina in a list of
> women's names on the Web.

There was a Davida on the tube yesterday.
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tony cooper - 30 Jun 2009 23:35 GMT
>By the way, I've written "Mr Hatunen" and used male pronouns to refer
>to that person, but it was a shot in the dark.  I have no way to know
>if that person is male or female.  If I guessed wrong, I apologize to
>her.

You are Bob Cunningham and ICMFP.

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Egbert White - 01 Jul 2009 22:50 GMT
>>By the way, I've written "Mr Hatunen" and used male pronouns to refer
>>to that person, but it was a shot in the dark.  I have no way to know
>>if that person is male or female.  If I guessed wrong, I apologize to
>>her.
>
>You are Bob Cunningham

Thanks for the compliment, I think.

>and ICMFP.

"I called Ma for proof"?
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