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Discussion Groups / English Usage / July 2009Teacher : Student :: Tutor : ???
Hi All, In a context in which a tutor teaches only one student, is it common, if correct, to call the student as a "private student"? And if the tutor teaches a small group of students in their home, is it common, if correct, to refer to the class as a "semi-private class"? If the tutor also teaches in schools, is it common, if correct, to refer to his classes in school as his "public classes"? Many thanks, Farhad >Hi All, > >In a context in which a tutor teaches only one student, is it common, >if correct, to call the student as a "private student"? No, it depends on whether the tutor is employed by an institution where the student is registered. At university I used to read essays to my college tutor, just the two of us, but I paid the fees to the university, not to him. >And if the tutor teaches a small group of students in their home, is >it common, if correct, to refer to the class as a "semi-private >class"? Only if the students pay the tutor directly.  SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Many thanks, > Farhad Teacher : Student Tutor : Pupil? > > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Teacher : Student > Tutor : Pupil? Teacher : Pupil for primary school (roughtly ages 6-13) in Canada. Actually I think this is an old usage but it may still be used John Kane, Kingston ON Canada [...] > Teacher : Student > Tutor : Pupil? Tutor : Tutee [tu'ti:] Signature~~~ Reinhold {Rey} Aman ~~~ > [...] > >> Teacher : Student >> Tutor : Pupil? > > Tutor : Tutee [tu'ti:] That's what we called them when I tutored back in the '80s, but it was seen as something of a jocular construction. I think if I had been in a formal context, I would have called them "clients". SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |So when can we quit passing laws and 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |raising taxes? When can we say of Palo Alto, CA 94304 |our political system, "Stick a fork |in it, it's done?" kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com | P.J. O'Rourke (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ >> [...] >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > seen as something of a jocular construction. I think if I had been in > a formal context, I would have called them "clients". They are still so called in these parts: in my role as personal tutor, I am responsible for the pastoral care of a group of students who are known as my personal tutees. SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) LFS filted: >>> [...] >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >am responsible for the pastoral care of a group of students who are >known as my personal tutees. If it's pastoral care you provide, shouldn't they be a "flock" of students?...r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? >LFS filted: >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >If it's pastoral care you provide, shouldn't they be a "flock" of students?...r Sometimes referred to as "My flocking students"? SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) BrE filted: >>LFS filted: >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Sometimes referred to as "My flocking students"? Shearly that's not news to you?...r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? > LFS filted: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > If it's pastoral care you provide, shouldn't they be a "flock" of students?...r No, they should be parishioners. >> Tutor : Tutee [tu'ti:] > That's what we called them when I tutored back in the '80s, but it > was seen as something of a jocular construction. I think if I had > been in a formal context, I would have called them "clients". A tooter who tooted the flute Tried to tutor two tooters to toot. Said the two to the tutor, "Is it easier to toot, or To tutor two tooters to toot?" It would seem that the tootee, if anything, would be the flute. Thumbing thru my mother's Latin dictionary, I find that "tutor" is from "tueor" (to guard) & meant guardian; it was a deponent verb, which puts one on one's guard; but its participle "tutus" was used to mean "guarded", and so one might import it into the modern meaning as well, and make the tutored one a tutus (m.) or tuta (f.); plural, tuti & tutae, respectively. Or, of course, within English, one could take the verb "tutor" as primary, and call the tutor a tutorer, and the object of his or her efforts a tutoree. Signature--- Joe Fineman joe_f@verizon.net ||: When scared of the dark, it may help to close your eyes. :|| >>> Tutor : Tutee [tu'ti:] > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > It would seem that the tootee, if anything, would be the flute. Of course. The tootee was the flute. One of the tooters was a tutor and two of the tooters were tutees. A royal flute instructor in the sixteenth century might have been known as a Tudor tooter tutor. > Thumbing thru my mother's Latin dictionary, I find that "tutor" is > from "tueor" (to guard) & meant guardian; it was a deponent verb, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > primary, and call the tutor a tutorer, and the object of his or her > efforts a tutoree. But, interestingly, that's not what appears to be done. I'll note that the OED cites "tutee", defined as "a pupil of a private tutor" to 1927. Google Books pushes it back a bit: [Attn Jesse Sheidlower: OED antedating] As soon as a student begins to take courses other than the introductory one offered in each department he is assigned to a tutor. The latter is expected to meet his "tutee" at regular intervals of about two weeks, oversee his studees in the Division, ... Edmond Lincoln, "The Tutorial System in the Division of History, Government, and Economics of Harvard University", _The American Oxonian_, January, 1918 There's also a 1921 hit from Harvard, so that may well be where the word was coined. >A royal flute instructor in the sixteenth century might have been >known as a Tudor tooter tutor. And, if he lived in the vicinity of Balham and Earlsfield, on a diet on beans on toast, he'd be Tooting's tooting Tudor tooter tutor. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida > I'll note that the OED cites "tutee", defined as "a pupil of a private > tutor" to 1927. Google Books pushes it back a bit: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > There's also a 1921 hit from Harvard, so that may well be where the > word was coined. Also worth noting that this usage doesn't _quite_ square with the "pupil of a private tutor" definition, as a tutor at Harvard was (and, I believe, is) a salaried employee of the University. SignatureRoland Hutchinson He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba," ... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy. --Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ ) Arcadian Rises filted: >Teacher : Student >Tutor : Pupil? I am now recalling my twelfth-grade physics teacher who once referred to the class as "my pupils", paused, and added "I call you pupils because 'students' would imply that you study"....r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? >Arcadian Rises filted: >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >class as "my pupils", paused, and added "I call you pupils because 'students' >would imply that you study"....r The current politically-correct term is "learners". Though it implies that they actually learn, in many cases it is a purely aspirational description. SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk >Teacher : Student >Tutor : Pupil? Certainly in the legal sense, where tutor=guardian. SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk > Hi All, > > In a context in which a tutor teaches only one student, is it common, > if correct, to call the student as a "private student"? Not in my experience, but you could refer to private lessons. A tutor who works for only one family is a private tutor. > And if the tutor teaches a small group of students in their home, is > it common, if correct, to refer to the class as a "semi-private > class"? Seems reasonable. Or "semi-private lessons". > If the tutor also teaches in schools, is it common, if correct, to > refer to his classes in school as his "public classes"? I've never heard that. I've been a tutor and a teacher in all these situations, in America. If I need to make a distinction, it would be "classes" or "school classes" or "college classes" versus "tutoring". Like Evan, I see "tutee" as jocular. I usually refer to "a student who I tutor", "one of the kids who I tutor", etc. Unlike Evan, I wouldn't think of "client". -- Jerry Friedman Jerry Friedman wrote in response to the following question: > > If the tutor also teaches in schools, is it common, if correct, to > > refer to his classes in school as his "public classes"? > I've never heard that. I've been a tutor and a teacher in all these > situations, in America. If I need to make a distinction, it would be > "classes" or "school classes" or "college classes" versus "tutoring". How about "group classes"? Does that sound acceptable to you and other native English speakers? Farhad > Jerry Friedman wrote in response to the following question: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > How about "group classes"? Does that sound acceptable to you and other > native English speakers? A class is normally a group, if it refers to students. Otherwise, it is the subject matter being studied. Based on your responses, I thought the best answers to my questions are as follows. Still, your comments are so welcome. > In a context in which a tutor teaches only one student, is it common, > if correct, to call the student as a "private student"? A (private/personal) tutee. > And if the tutor teaches a small group of students in their home, is > it common, if correct, to refer to the class as a "semi-private > class"? Semi-private class/lesson. > If the tutor also teaches in schools, is it common, if correct, to > refer to his classes in school as his "public classes"? School/College/University classes. Conclusion: Terms like "private students" and "public classes" are not heard or used by native English speakers. Farhad > In a context in which a tutor teaches only one student, is it common, > if correct, to call the student as a "private student"? How about a one-to-one student? Is this acceptable, and common, among native English speakers? Farhad >> In a context in which a tutor teaches only one student, is it common, >> if correct, to call the student as a "private student"? > > How about a one-to-one student? Is this acceptable, and common, among > native English speakers? To me, that implies a peer-to-peer relationship, and involves individuals on both sides. It is the "ratio" of one student to another. If you are referring to a tutor working with a single student, then "one-on-one" is the usual (US) style. A tutor* may work with a teacher in a class, and may take one student out for a one-on-one session for remedial work, for example. Or he may take two or more students aside from the class as a whole for "small group" work. *When I was teaching, the schools were just then beginning to bring in "teacher aides" and "teaching assistants or assistant teachers" (But the term "Teaching assistants" has long-standing use in University course work, in which non-degreed instructors help the professors by working with students in seminars.) |
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