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Discussion Groups / English Usage / July 2009dislikes coldnes/hotness
Ladies and Gentlemen: I like to drink icy water and go heavy on the ice whenever ordering beverages or juices, because I dislike hotness. Is it idiomatic to say "I dislike hotness"? Are there more vivid or colloquial ways to describe a person who dislikes coldness or hotness? Best Wishes, Tacia > Ladies and Gentlemen: > > I like to drink icy water and go heavy on the ice whenever ordering > beverages or juices, Juices are beverages. > because I dislike hotness. > > Is it idiomatic to say "I dislike hotness"? Not really. It would be more common to say "I don't like my drinks warm" or "I don't like warm drinks". Note that what *is* idiomatic is to make a three-way distinction between "cold" (i.e., chilled), "warm" (i.e., room temperature) and "hot" (i.e., heated) beverages. (Yes, this is complicated by the fact that when a hot drink such as coffee or tea "becomes cold", it hasb really cooled down to (or near) room temperature.) If you say you don't like hot drinks, people will not take that as implying that you want ice in your water. Most Americans like their drinks either cold or hot, but not room temperature. > Are there more vivid or colloquial ways to describe a person who > dislikes coldness or hotness?  SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |The Society for the Preservation of 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |Tithesis commends your ebriated and Palo Alto, CA 94304 |scrutable use of delible and |defatigable, which are gainly, sipid kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com |and couth. We are gruntled and (650)857-7572 |consolate that you have the ertia and |eptitude to choose such putably http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ |pensible tithesis, which we parage. > > I like to drink icy water and go heavy on the ice whenever ordering > > beverages or juices, > > Juices are beverages. Roger that! > > Is it idiomatic to say "I dislike hotness"? > > Not really. It would be more common to say "I don't like my drinks warm" or "I don't like warm drinks". Hi. I did not give enough examples by "I dislike hotness." Actually, I also include other things besides beverages. I always avert something which would cause hotness in or on my body. Except in winter or during late fall, I like to wear a sleeveless T- shirt or a tank top when I am at home. As for a bamboo-cotton mattress, I always sleep on the bamboo side, rather than on the cotton side, because sleeping on the bamboo side is cooler. In Chinese, we have two phrases to mean the characteristics of disliking hotness or coldness. So, I was wondering whether there are corresponding phrases in English. Best Regards, Tacia > > > I like to drink icy water There's a fixed phrase, "ice water", meaning water with ice in it, or that has just been formed from melting ice, for drinking. "Icy water" usually refers to water that's not for drinking--"the icy water of the lake". (This may give one or two people a pleasant case of Stuck Tune Syndrome: "Lime and limpid green, the sound surrounds the icy waters underground.") > > > and go heavy on the ice whenever ordering > > > beverages or juices, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > rather than on the cotton side, because sleeping on the bamboo side is > cooler. ... The words you want are "heat" and "cold", not "hotness" and "coldness". You can say, "I dislike heat." In my experience, it's very common to state such preferences with stronger terms, maybe exaggerations: "I hate heat," or "I can't stand heat." Likewise "I can't stand being hot," etc. A colloquial American rephrasing of your sentence might be, "I always drink ice water and order drinks heavy on the ice, because I don't like being hot." You and my mother would get along, by the way. In summer, she uses the air conditioner all the time. If she's going to spend time outside, she fills a water bottle with tea the night before and puts it in the freezer. That way she has ice-cold tea to drink all day. -- Jerry Friedman doesn't have an air conditioner. > A colloquial American rephrasing of your sentence might be, "I always > drink ice water and order drinks heavy on the ice, because I don't > like being hot." I'm pretty sure that BrE would be "iced water". Of course, some like it hot. SignatureOnline waterways route planner: http://canalplan.org.uk development version: http://canalplan.eu > > > > I like to drink icy water > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > "Lime and limpid green, the sound surrounds the icy waters > underground.") Roger that, too, though more likely Syd. DC -- >> > Is it idiomatic to say "I dislike hotness"? "Hotness" is rarely used, except in current slang to mean sexual appeal. "Coldness" is less rare but still unusual. Both words normally refer to the state of an isolated thing or place. For describing general qualities or interactions, the usual nouns are "cold" and "heat." >I always avert something which would cause hotness in or on my body. You mean "avoid," but your mistake suggests this wording that's not uncommon: "I'm averse to heat," or maybe even "to warmth." The latter applies more logically to your preference for ice in drinks, but it could be misinterpreted as also referring figuratively to human relationships. ¬R "I love Blip just because it's the absolute opposite of fun" http://users.bestweb.net/~notr/travelog/19990710.html --Kibo > > Ladies and Gentlemen: > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Most Americans like their drinks either cold or hot, but not room > temperature. Does that include red wine, Evan? DC, back in the land of warm beer -- >> Note that what is idiomatic is to make a three-way distinction >> between "cold" (i.e., chilled), "warm" (i.e., room temperature) and >> "hot" (i.e., heated) beverages. > >DC, back in the land of warm beer [Warning: rant ahead] No, no, aargh aargh. You know better than that, Mr Cat! Stop reinforcing the stupid Leftpondian myth that Brits drink beer warm! Our beer is drunk at cellar temperature. That is not, repeat not, room temperature. It's around 12 degrees C, or 53 F. If Leftpondian rooms were that chilly I wouldn't be staying very long. What we don't do is drink beer that's so chilled that you can't taste it. That's because our beers have something real to taste. Of course, if I were drinking the stuff some other producers have the cheek to call beer, I'd want to chill the hell out of it so I didn't have to taste what it's really like. [rant off] Ahem. Thank you. Normal service will now be resumed. SignatureKaty Jennison spamtrap: remove the first two letters after the @ > > >> Note that what is idiomatic is to make a three-way distinction [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I'd want to chill the hell out of it so I didn't have to taste what > it's really like. Now I *am* thirsty. DC -- > > >> Note that what is idiomatic is to make a three-way distinction [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Ahem. Thank you. Normal service will now be resumed. In fact - and I know this is your sort of thing, Katy - I'm just back from Asturias, where a client gave me a bottle of 'La Xana' beer as a present. A Xana is a perilous Asturian fairy/water spirit, sort of a grumpy nymph. They take the form of beautiful young women with long blonde hair, though the fact they live in springs, pools and mountain streams means that their wet hair gives the perpetual impression they have just stepped out of the shower. Xanas leave changeling children with mortal mothers, as they themselves are unable to care for their children. The exact reason for this was explained to me by my Asturian informant, and so I have been able to update the relevant Wiki entry accordingly. My long-term Newsreader of choice is XanaNews. Spooky. DC -- >In fact - and I know this is your sort of thing, Katy - I'm just back >from Asturias, where a client gave me a bottle of 'La Xana' beer as a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Spooky. Ooh. Spook city, indeed. Reminds me a little of a rusalka, but not at all points. I confess I'd never heard of Asturias until now. Always good to chip away at the massive iceberg of ignorance. SignatureKaty Jennison spamtrap: remove the first two letters after the @ Wood Avens wrote... >>In fact - and I know this is your sort of thing, Katy - I'm just >>back from Asturias, where a client gave me a bottle of 'La Xana' [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > not at all points. I confess I'd never heard of Asturias until > now. Not many people have. I lived in Asturias for many of my formative years in the late 1950s - early 1960s; it was perhaps inevitable that I should get roaring drunk for the first time in my life on "sidra natural", the principality's fiendishly potent variety of rough cider. I hope DC didn't leave without sampling it. It is a beautiful part of the world: "Asturias, patria querida, Asturias de mis amores..." SignatureNoel Quoth "Ildhund" <jnllb@removemsn.com>, and I quote: >Wood Avens wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >"Asturias, patria querida, >Asturias de mis amores..." I've never been to Asturies (as they call it in Asturias, http://ast.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asturies) but I have CDs by two good Asturian folk bands, Llan de Cubel and Skitarna. http://www.asturshop.com/asturshop/infoprod.asp?idproducto=1215 The latter band are unfortunately named as they will never be able to tour in Scandinavia. With a name that means "The sh.ts" in Swedish, everybody would expect a punk band. SignatureJames > Quoth "Ildhund" <jnllb@removemsn.com>, and I quote: > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > I've never been to Asturies That, indeed, is the spelling in Asturianu. As is the case in so many regions of Europe, there's a move to cast the local dialect as a language in its own right... DC -- > Wood Avens wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > natural", the principality's fiendishly potent variety of rough > cider. I hope DC didn't leave without sampling it. But of course I wouldn't! Very nice too, especially with the marvellous local seafood. Do you remember the unique pouring technigue and drinking ritual? Means you don't drink all the cider you pay for... http://tinyurl.com/n6drcd DC -- > > In fact - and I know this is your sort of thing, Katy - I'm just > > back from Asturias, where a client gave me a bottle of 'La Xana' [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > all points. I confess I'd never heard of Asturias until now. Always > good to chip away at the massive iceberg of ignorance. I've just finished watching a TV programme about the dodgy circumstances surrounding the 1969 investiture of Prince Charles as Prince of Wales. Asturia is also a principality, and in the same way as with Wales in the UK, the Spanish Monarch's eldest son becomes Prince. The difference is that given that the Reconquista began in Asturias, the locals feel they are very much at the heart of the Spanish nation, and don't see the Prince as a symbol of external domination, but as a recognition of their national significance. Nice area. In fact surprisingly like South Wales - landscape, seaside, post-industrial culture, slightly crappy weather. You can't imagine anywhere more different from the Costas. DC -- > Ooh. Spook city, indeed. Reminds me a little of a rusalka, but not at > all points. I confess I'd never heard of Asturias until now. Always > good to chip away at the massive iceberg of ignorance. I like the sound of 'the massive iceberg of ignorance' -- sounds like the sort of thing that appears at the end of 'I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue'. Although I confess to having been quite distressed by last week's 'the kitten of fate peering through the washing machine window of....something'. I'm sure we could come up with excellent names for the tools with which one chips away at the massive iceberg of ignorance. And just as I was reading this thread, up pops 'El Cid' on the telly, speaking of Asturias. Small world. cheers, Stephanie >>> Note that what is idiomatic is to make a three-way distinction >>> between "cold" (i.e., chilled), "warm" (i.e., room temperature) and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Our beer is drunk at cellar temperature. That is not, repeat not, > room temperature. It's around 12 degrees C, or 53 F. Room temperature in San Francisco in summer. SignatureRoland Hutchinson He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba," ... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy. --Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ ) Roland Hutchinson filted: >> Our beer is drunk at cellar temperature. That is not, repeat not, >> room temperature. It's around 12 degrees C, or 53 F. > >Room temperature in San Francisco in summer. And a purely mythical temperature in Phoenix....r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? > Roland Hutchinson filted: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And a purely mythical temperature in Phoenix....r That surprised me. I would have expected that with its height above sealevel and with even higher mountains surrounding it, that Phoenix would get pretty cold at night. SignatureRob Bannister Robert Bannister filted: >> Roland Hutchinson filted: >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >sealevel and with even higher mountains surrounding it, that Phoenix >would get pretty cold at night. Not surrounded; the really big mountains are only to the north....r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? > Robert Bannister filted: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Not surrounded; the really big mountains are only to the north....r I'd imagine that a city named after a mythical creature might experience mythical temperatures with some regularity. SignatureRoland Hutchinson He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba," ... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy. --Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ ) >> Most Americans like their drinks either cold or hot, but not room >> temperature. > > Does that include red wine, Evan? No, that's one of the only exceptions I can think of. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |First Law of Anthropology: 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 | If they're doing something you Palo Alto, CA 94304 | don't understand, it's either an | isolated lunatic, a religious kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com | ritual, or art. (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ >> Ladies and Gentlemen: >> >> I like to drink icy water and go heavy on the ice whenever ordering >> beverages or juices, > > Juices are beverages. Note that although "beverage" would be understood by most in BrE, it's very uncommon from the mouths of native speakers. SignatureDavid > > > Ladies and Gentlemen: > > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Note that although "beverage" would be understood by most in BrE, > it's very uncommon from the mouths of native speakers. Thank you for that report. DC -- >>>> Ladies and Gentlemen: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thank you for that report. However, to remember the reason for DC's comment, you need to be over 70. SignatureDavid >>>>> Ladies and Gentlemen: >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > However, to remember the reason for DC's comment, you need to be over 70. Rubbish. I'm under 70 and I got it straight away. SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) >>>> Note that although "beverage" would be understood by most in BrE, >>>> it's very uncommon from the mouths of native speakers. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Rubbish. I'm under 70 and I got it straight away. I'm under 70 and all at sea. SignatureOnline waterways route planner: http://canalplan.org.uk development version: http://canalplan.eu >>>>>> Ladies and Gentlemen: >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Rubbish. I'm under 70 and I got it straight away. Yes, indeed, I'm well under 70, and I also got it straight away. I reworded that several times and I clearly still didn't get it right. The report was written in 1943, and I was trying to indicate by "remember" that to have first-hand knowledge of it *from the time*, you would have to be over 70. SignatureDavid >>>>>>> Ladies and Gentlemen: >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > that to have first-hand knowledge of it *from the time*, you would have > to be over 70. I grew up with people talking about it. My father worked in the NHS from its inception. My mother in her later years blamed "Beveridge and the welfare state" for many modern problems. SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) >>>>>>>> Ladies and Gentlemen: >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > its inception. My mother in her later years blamed "Beveridge and the > welfare state" for many modern problems. One wonders whether Beverage drank too much. SignatureDavid >>>> Note that although "beverage" would be understood by most in BrE, >>>> it's very uncommon from the mouths of native speakers. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Rubbish. I'm under 70 and I got it straight away. <aol></aol> Katy (the other one) >>> Ladies and Gentlemen: >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Note that although "beverage" would be understood by most in BrE, it's > very uncommon from the mouths of native speakers. I was under the impression that "bevvy" had recently become an "in" word in certain circles. SignatureRob Bannister >>>> Ladies and Gentlemen: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >I was under the impression that "bevvy" had recently become an "in" word >in certain circles. Not just recently. I'd say at least 20 years. >in 251187 20090706 012755 Robert Bannister <robban1@bigpond.com> wrote: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Not just recently. I'd say at least 20 years. A man on an exit course from the RAF used it in my hearing in March 1979. SignaturePaul >> in 251187 20090706 012755 Robert Bannister <robban1@bigpond.com> wrote: >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > A man on an exit course from the RAF used it in my hearing in March 1979. Indeed, it sounds like armed forces slang to me. SignatureDavid Tacia filted: >Ladies and Gentlemen: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Are there more vivid or colloquial ways to describe a person who >dislikes coldness or hotness? When referring to your preference for climate or room temperature, it's common to say "I'm warm-blooded" or "I'm cold-blooded", which indicate that you're more comfortable in warm or cool temperatures respectively.... This can't be extended to preference in beverages, though....r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? > Tacia filted: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > to say "I'm warm-blooded" or "I'm cold-blooded", which indicate that you're more > comfortable in warm or cool temperatures respectively.... ... They also indicate the opposite. This is from a discussion on wetsuits: Person 1: 'I'll want a 3mm because I'm warm blooded (meaning I get cold easily).' Person 2: 'Actually, I use "warmblooded" to mean just the opposite of the way you're using it. 'In other words, to me "warmblooded" means that I don't get cold easily (because my blood is "warm") so I tend to go thinner wetsuit- wise. Relative to me, my wife is "coldblooded," meaning she gets chilled easily (because her blood is already "cold")so she tends to use a thicker wetsuit.' http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/exposure-suits/289543-what-wetsuit-should-i-buy -tropics-2.html If you do use these terms, Tacia, you should use them only when the context is clear. "Warm-blooded" and "cold-blooded" can also mean you're emotionally "warm" or "cold". And "cold-blooded" can make people think of "cold-blooded" animals, such as fish and snakes. (Would the Chinese equivalent to snakes be turtles?) -- Jerry Friedman [...] > (Would the Chinese equivalent to snakes be turtles?) Moved by this to look up "turtle" in Wikipedia, I found the following AUE-relevant paragraphs: "Although the word turtle is widely used to describe all members of the order Testudines, it is also common to see certain members described as terrapins, tortoises or sea turtles as well. Precisely how these alternative names are used, if at all, depends on the type of English being used. * British English normally describes these reptiles as turtles if they live in the sea; terrapins if they live in fresh or brackish water; or tortoises if they live on land. However, there are exceptions to this where American or Australian common names are in wide use, as with the Fly River turtle. * American English tends to use the word turtle for all freshwater species, as well as for certain land-dwelling species (e.g. box turtles). Oceanic species are usually referred to as sea turtles, and tortoise is restricted to members of the true tortoise family, Testudinidae. The name terrapin is typically reserved only for the brackish water diamondback terrapin, Malaclemys terrapin; the word terrapin being derived from the Algonquian word for this animal.[11] * Australian English uses turtle for both the marine and freshwater species but tortoise for the terrestrial species." <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle#Turtle.2C_tortoise.2C_or_terrapin.3F> SignatureLes (BrE) > * American English tends to use the word turtle for all freshwater >species, as well as for certain land-dwelling species (e.g. box turtles). More confusingly, we may generically call the box turtle a tortoise--but in my (limited) experience here in the Hudson Valley almost never a "box tortoise," although "painted tortoise" seems fairly common. ¬R Blather, Rinse, Repeat. http://users.bestweb.net/~notr/telecom.html |
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