Discussion Groups / English Usage / July 2009

1 & 2 are correct but open to misunderstanding, I would not use them
without clarification.  3 & 4 are good.  I do not like the placement of
"anymore" in 5; I would put it after "club."  6 is slightly redundant,
and I would move "anymore" as with 5.  7 is too redundant for my taste.
8 is fine.

--Jeff

It's acceptable.

Better than 1.

Understandable, but I wouldn't say it.

I don't like this because "starting" indicates a beginning, whereas you
are describing an ending.

No - "anymore" is unnecessary and clumsy.

Same as 5, but could be reworded as:
- I won't be coming to the club any more after the 7th of July.

Clumsy.

It's OK, but definitely not with "anymore".

How about:

- After 7th July I will no longer come to the club.
- After 7th July I will stop coming to the club.

Small consideration. But I'm having difficulty in explaining it;

"Coming" suggests a continued connection.

As of and from July 8th that relationship will have ended, so should
that termination be recognised?

As in : As of and from July 8th I will no longer be going to the club.
Note; "going", not "coming"

The reason I chose "As of and from..." is because  "... wont be coming
to the club from the 8th of July on (onwards?) could mean after the
8th, or after a point in time during the 8th.

This is curious:  nine variations are offered, but all uniform in that
they present the two clauses in the same order.   Many people say,
"From the 8th of July, I won't be coming to the club again"
"After the 7th of July, I won't be coming to the club again"
or something similar.  (There are probably as many more variants.)

It seems unreasonable to this E1L speaker to ask for preferences
among such a long list.   In real situations when we articulate
preferences, we are used to choosing between only perhaps three
(different in more details than among any of the first nine.)  This
habit seems to reflect the language's flexibility (or lack of
prescriptive rules.)

I'm resigning from (quitting)  the club as of the 8th of July.

Marius Hancu asks about:

In 5 and 6, "anymore" is misplaced; it should be after "club".
With that change, I'd consider 3, 5, and 6 best.  1 is possible
but a slightly odd way to say it.  4 is slightly more odd, although
it would be okay if the "starting on..." phrase was moved to the
front (and set off by a comma).

In 7, "anymore" is misplaced in the same way, but is not wanted in
eny case, since the "after" part conveys that meaning.  The use of
a preposition combination "after and including" is rather formal,
and if you do want to be that formal, "on or after" would be more
natural than "after and including".  (The conjunction is "or" because
of the negative polarity "I won't".)

8 with "anymore" is wrong.  8 without "anymore" is ambiguous; it
might mean the same as the others, or it might mean that July 8
is the date of your last visit.

This is likewise ambiguous.

(Incidentally, this sort of ambiguity is a perennial problem affecting
people writing about the history of railways.  If you read in a book
that a station "closed on Monday, July 5", it may mean either that the
last scheduled train was on July 4 ["last day of service"] or July 5
["first day of no service"].  Or if the station only had trains on
weekdays, it might also mean that the last one was on July 2!  To avoid
the problem, careful writers are forced to avoid simple expressions like
"closed on" or Marius's similar constructs.)

It's not "'as' with no additives" in 1, it's "as of".  I'm not sure
what you're distinguishing 1 from when you write "expected to continue".

To my ear, it seems wrong to use "as of" to indicate when the action in
the statement it modifies occurs.  It should indicate when the statement
itself is determined:

 * As of yesterday, he won't be coming to the club after tonight.

or becomes effective:

 * As of tomorrow, he's no longer welcome here.

¬R

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I prefer this one, because it is terse and clear.
You can omit "anymore".