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Discussion Groups / English Usage / July 2009Ouch!
There was a news item on a British TV channel about a young woman who had applied for tickets for the Michael Jackson Memorial Service in Los Angeles. She was realistic about her low probability of getting them. We were shown her rear view. She had the MJ monogram tattooed on her lower neck and upper back. The reporter described it as having been "engraved".  SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >There was a news item on a British TV channel about a young woman who >had applied for tickets for the Michael Jackson Memorial Service in Los [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >lower neck and upper back. The reporter described it as having been >"engraved". The reporter obviously thinks that MJ is a heavy metal artist. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>There was a news item on a British TV channel about a young woman who >>had applied for tickets for the Michael Jackson Memorial Service in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > The reporter obviously thinks that MJ is a heavy metal artist. That's worth a groan, Tony. (And a little chuckle.) SignatureMaria Conlon Quoth "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <mail@peterduncanson.net>, and I quote: >There was a news item on a British TV channel about a young woman who >had applied for tickets for the Michael Jackson Memorial Service in Los [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >lower neck and upper back. The reporter described it as having been >"engraved". Charles Wesley wrote the following lines in a hymn in 1738: "Engraven with an iron pen My name upon Thy hands is seen: Lord, with Thy love's acutest dart Engrave Thy name upon my heart." That's based on Isaiah 49:16, which I quote from memory: "Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; my God it hurt like hell." SignatureJames James wrote on Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:16:37 +0200: >> There was a news item on a British TV channel about a young >> woman who had applied for tickets for the Michael Jackson [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> on her lower neck and upper back. The reporter described it >> as having been "engraved". > Charles Wesley wrote the following lines in a hymn in 1738: > "Engraven with an iron pen > My name upon Thy hands is seen: > Lord, with Thy love's acutest dart > Engrave Thy name upon my heart." > That's based on Isaiah 49:16, which I quote from memory: > "Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; > my God it hurt like hell." More or less! However, both Isaiah and Charles must have been masochists! SignatureJames Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not Quoth "James Silverton" <not.jim.silverton@verizon.net>, and I quote: > James wrote on Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:16:37 +0200: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >More or less! However, both Isaiah and Charles must have been >masochists! Which brings us back to Michael Jackson fans like the one Peter introduced us to. I've heard that there has been a wave of suicides among MJ fans, evidently keen to join him in that great Neverland in the sky, forever blowing bubbles. SignatureJames >Quoth "James Silverton" <not.jim.silverton@verizon.net>, and I >quote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >evidently keen to join him in that great Neverland in the sky, >forever blowing bubbles. One of them: http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/07/01/michael-jackson-death-has-caused- fans-to-committ-suicide-as-rev-jesse-jackson-urges-them-not-to-kill-themselves-s ee-video-115875-21486663/ or http://tinyurl.com/mvjr29 ...Russian Jacko impersonator Pável Talaláyev slit his wrists. Pável survived, but said after: "I dont know why the doctors saved me. I want to be with Michael, and I will kill myself anyway." That man needs therapy: slapped forcefully on the cheeks and having it impressed on his addled brain that the opportunities for Jacko impersonators have increased and that it is clearly his duty to MJ to perform tributes to him. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) BrE filted: > ...Russian Jacko impersonator Pável Talaláyev slit his wrists. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >impersonators have increased and that it is clearly his duty to MJ to >perform tributes to him. In light of the comparisons that have already been made, I note that the number of Michael Jackson impersonators I saw or heard of before his death is far in excess of the number of Elvis Presley impersonators I saw or heard of before *his* death.... Not that I didn't know the latter existed before August 1977, but the real employment boom came after....r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? > In light of the comparisons that have already been made, I note that the number > of Michael Jackson impersonators I saw or heard of before his death is far in > excess of the number of Elvis Presley impersonators I saw or heard of before > *his* death.... Maybe because Jackson offered equal job opportunities to blacks and whites. >BrE filted: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Not that I didn't know the latter existed before August 1977, but the real >employment boom came after....r I don't recall the details of Elvis's later career, but MJ seems to ceased giving public performances on any scale (touring, for example) many years ago. This might have created suitable conditions for impersonators to thrive. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) > I don't recall the details of Elvis's later career, but MJ seems to > ceased giving public performances on any scale (touring, for example) > many years ago. This might have created suitable conditions for > impersonators to thrive. I don't know about impersonators, but until the last couple of days, I hadn't heard a single Jackson song, or if I had, I must have thought it was a female singer. At the moment, it seems no radio station can go longer than 10 minutes without mentioning his name. SignatureRob Bannister Robert Bannister wrote, in <7bi9dvF245t56U2@mid.individual.net> on Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:00:47 +0800: > > I don't recall the details of Elvis's later career, but MJ seems to > > ceased giving public performances on any scale (touring, for example) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > was a female singer. At the moment, it seems no radio station can go > longer than 10 minutes without mentioning his name. Yesterday from at least as early as 7pm BBC2, BBC News and RTE2 were all showing the memorial concert live and they were still at it at 8:45, and the hell with the advertised programming. At one point around 7:10 Channel 4 news and BBC4 News were showing it too. I didn't bother to look at Sky News but I expect they were too. SignatureNick Spalding BrE/IrE >Robert Bannister wrote, in <7bi9dvF245t56U2@mid.individual.net> > on Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:00:47 +0800: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Channel 4 news and BBC4 News were showing it too. I didn't bother to >look at Sky News but I expect they were too. UK Channel 5 had cleared a slot in the schedule for the memorial, and stuck to the scheduled end time. They missed the last three quarters of an hour or so of the proceedings. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) > James wrote on Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:16:37 +0200: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > More or less! However, both Isaiah and Charles must have been > masochists! Isaiah was quoting God, there. Whether God's a masochist is another question, of course. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |When you're ready to break a rule, 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |you _know_ that you're ready; you Palo Alto, CA 94304 |don't need anyone else to tell |you. (If you're not that certain, kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com |then you're _not_ ready.) (650)857-7572 | Tom Phoenix http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ Evan wrote on Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:08:19 -0700: >> James wrote on Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:16:37 +0200: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> More or less! However, both Isaiah and Charles must have been >> masochists! > Isaiah was quoting God, there. Whether God's a masochist is > another question, of course. Damnit, Evan. You made me look it up. In neither of the two modern translations handy does it imply that Isaiah is not speaking tho' it's not worth worrying about. SignatureJames Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not Quoth "James Silverton" <not.jim.silverton@verizon.net>, and I quote: > Evan wrote on Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:08:19 -0700: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >translations handy does it imply that Isaiah is not speaking tho' it's >not worth worrying about. Verse 48 has Zion complaining about having been forsaken by the Lord. This verse is the reply, so it must be God saying "Just as a mother cannot forget her child, your name, Zion, is inscribed on my hands." That's what Wesley sums up, addressing God: "Engraven with an iron pen My name upon Thy hands is seen." SignatureJames James wrote on Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:35:55 +0200: >> Evan wrote on Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:08:19 -0700: >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> modern translations handy does it imply that Isaiah is not >> speaking tho' it's not worth worrying about. > Verse 48 has Zion complaining about having been forsaken by > the Lord. This verse is the reply, so it must be God saying > "Just as a mother cannot forget her child, your name, Zion, is > inscribed on my hands." > That's what Wesley sums up, addressing God: > "Engraven with an iron pen > My name upon Thy hands is seen." I guess in those days people took notes on their hands. There was a time later when people had shirt cuffs and took notes there. SignatureJames Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not James Silverton filted: > James wrote on Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:35:55 +0200: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I guess in those days people took notes on their hands. There was a time >later when people had shirt cuffs and took notes there. For some reason it was footnotes that gained respectability....r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? James Silverton wrote... > James wrote: >> ... Wesley sums up, addressing God: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I guess in those days people took notes on their hands. There was > a time later when people had shirt cuffs and took notes there. I understand that some people have cuffs on their trousers, too. They're not quite so easy to write notes on. SignatureNoel > James Silverton wrote... >> James wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I understand that some people have cuffs on their trousers, too. > They're not quite so easy to write notes on. WIWAL we called those turnups. One that was written on could be called a turnup for the book. SignatureLes (BrE) > James Silverton wrote... >> James wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I understand that some people have cuffs on their trousers, too. > They're not quite so easy to write notes on. Those were handy ash trays, in the smoking times. >> James Silverton wrote... >>> James wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Those were handy ash trays, in the smoking times. Occasionally, they would also catch dropped coins. A couple of half crowns, discovered in the turnups, was a big find back then. SignatureRob Bannister Robert Bannister wrote... >>> James Silverton wrote... >>>> James wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > half crowns, discovered in the turnups, was a big find[2] back > then. Your uses of the imperfect would indicate that turn-ups are passée. Most of my trousers have them - should I be looking for a new tailor? Oxfam of High St have served me well for the past few years, but if fashion dictates a change... [1] These would be footnotes, of course. [2] All I ever found, in a hidden pocket of a jacket rather than a trouser turn-up, was an unused but outdated return ticket to Glasgow Central. I did wonder what had happened to the previous owner. SignatureNoel > Robert Bannister wrote... >>>> James Silverton wrote... [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > trouser turn-up, was an unused but outdated return ticket to Glasgow > Central. I did wonder what had happened to the previous owner. Wow! I don't think I've seen turnups since the 60s. I once found a $50 note in the pocket of my rarely used winter coat. SignatureRob Bannister > I guess in those days people took notes on their hands. There was a > time later when people had shirt cuffs and took notes there. In "The Heathen Pass-ee" (a parody by A. C. Hilton on Bret Harte's "Plain Language from Truthful James", which I find funnier than the original), we read: On the cuff of his shirt He had managed to get What we hoped had been dirt, But which proved, I regret, To be notes on the rise of the Drama, A question invariably set. . . . In the crown of his cap Were the Furies and Fates, And a delicate map Of the Dorian States, And we found in his palms, which were hollow, What are frequent in palms -- that is, dates. Signature--- Joe Fineman joe_f@verizon.net ||: Suck, squeeze, bang, blow. :|| ||: Internal combustion makes it go. :|| > There was a news item on a British TV channel about a young woman who > had applied for tickets for the Michael Jackson Memorial Service in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > lower neck and upper back. The reporter described it as having been > "engraved". That doesn't conflict with OED, which sees incision as a part of engraving and of tattooing. But I know what you mean. SignatureJohn Dean Oxford |
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