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"some of you come from all faiths"

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Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 09 Jul 2009 13:56 GMT
During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila Jackson
Lee said:

   Some of you come from all faiths. And we respect that here in
   America.

The first sentence struck me as odd. It implies that there are some
individuals each of whom "comes from all faiths". This must be confusing
for the individuals.

Is this phrasing common in AmE or is it a quirk of Rep. Jackson Lee?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/07/cnr.07.html

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Maria Conlon - 09 Jul 2009 14:26 GMT
> During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila Jackson
> Lee said:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Is this phrasing common in AmE or is it a quirk of Rep. Jackson Lee?

> http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/07/cnr.07.html

Common? Not really. And in the case at hand, it may have been just a
matter of misspeaking. (I'm not familiar with Sheila Jackson Lee, so
it's hard to know if she does or does not use the phrase regularly.)

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Maria Conlon

Roland Hutchinson - 09 Jul 2009 15:19 GMT
> During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila Jackson
> Lee said:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/07/cnr.07.html

It stries my American ear as the sort of production error that anyone
can make in spontaneous speech.  As if "Some of you come from different
faiths" (i.e. different from mine and the Jackson family's) got mixed up
with "You come from all faiths".

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Roland Hutchinson

He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba,"
... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy.
--Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ )

Jerry Friedman - 12 Jul 2009 05:25 GMT
> > During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila Jackson
> > Lee said:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> faiths" (i.e. different from mine and the Jackson family's) got mixed up
> with "You come from all faiths".

And "For every faith, there are some here who come from it."

In addition to what Roland said, I'd say a great many people aren't
interested in the literal meaning of quantifiers (or their verbal
equivalent), and I'll bet most of the listeners didn't notice in the
slightest the implication Peter noticed.

--
Jerry Friedman
Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 12 Jul 2009 12:47 GMT
>> > During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila Jackson
>> > Lee said:
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>equivalent), and I'll bet most of the listeners didn't notice in the
>slightest the implication Peter noticed.

I didn't notice it while listening to the Congresswoman, but I can't
claim to have been paying close attention at the time.

I noticed it later while reading the transcript.

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John Kane - 09 Jul 2009 15:42 GMT
On Jul 9, 8:56 am, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net>
wrote:
> During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila Jackson
> Lee said:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> individuals each of whom "comes from all faiths". This must be confusing
> for the individuals.

Well, I think I've heard of 'church shopping"[1]  so I suppose that
one can have come from all faiths.

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

[1] I once met a man who was 'working' on his sixth denomination but,
I believe that they all were Christian.
Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 09 Jul 2009 15:56 GMT
>On Jul 9, 8:56 am, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net>
>wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>Well, I think I've heard of 'church shopping"[1]  so I suppose that
>one can have come from all faiths.

There is one religion that might be describe as "all faiths": the Bahá'í
Faith.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD_Faith

   Bahá'í teachings emphasize the underlying unity of the major world
   religions. Religious history is seen to have unfolded through a
   series of divine messengers, each of whom established a religion
   that was suited to the needs of the time and the capacity of the
   people. These messengers have included Abraham, Krishna, Buddha,
   Jesus, Muhammad and others, including most recently Bahá'u'lláh. In
   Bahá'í belief, each messenger taught of the next, and Bahá'u'lláh's
   life and teachings fulfill the end-time promises of previous
   scriptures. Humanity is understood to be involved in a process of
   collective evolution, and the need of the present time is for the
   gradual establishment of peace, justice and unity on a global scale.

Of course the followers of the major world religions do not see it that
way and consider Bahá'í to be just another minority religion.

>John Kane, Kingston ON Canada
>
>[1] I once met a man who was 'working' on his sixth denomination but,
>I believe that they all were Christian.

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Roland Hutchinson - 10 Jul 2009 05:22 GMT
> O
> There is one religion that might be describe as "all faiths": the Bahá'í
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Of course the followers of the major world religions do not see it that
> way and consider Bahá'í to be just another minority religion.

...or worse.  Some (I shan't name names here) consider Bahá'i to be
outright heretics and would therefore deny them even the rights and
respect that they would grant to minority religions.

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Roland Hutchinson

He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba,"
... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy.
--Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ )

pdpi - 09 Jul 2009 16:32 GMT
> On Jul 9, 8:56 am, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> [1] I once met a man who was 'working' on his sixth denomination but,
> I believe that they all were Christian.

Well, provided it's _comparison_ shopping, I'd call that a pretty good
idea.
Skitt - 09 Jul 2009 19:13 GMT
>> During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila
>> Jackson Lee said:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> [1] I once met a man who was 'working' on his sixth denomination but,
> I believe that they all were Christian.

When I was a wee one, my grandmother took me around to many churches for a
sort of show-and-tell.  I then followed the family tradition and settled on
none, even though I enjoyed the musicality of the Russian-Orthodox services.

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Skitt (Follower of the FOTIPU)
"The Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic
and faith.  We have faith that they are pink; we logically know
that they are invisible because we can't see them." -- Steve Eley

Mark Brader - 09 Jul 2009 19:44 GMT
Sheila Jackson Lee, quoted by Peter Duncanson:
> >   Some of you come from all faiths

John Kane:
> Well, I think I've heard of 'church shopping"...  so I suppose that
> one can have come from all faiths.

ObOpeningNarration:
 "I believe in the Church of Baseball.  I've tried all the major
  religions, and most of the minor ones.  I've worshipped Buddha,
  Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms, and Isadora
  Duncan.  I know things.  For instance, there are 108 beads in
  a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball.
  When I heard that, I gave Jesus a chance.  But it just didn't
  work out between us.  The Lord laid too much guilt on me.
  I prefer metaphysics to theology.  You see, there's no guilt
  in baseball, and it's never boring... which makes it like sex.
  There's never been a ballplayer slept with me who didn't have the
  best year of his career.  Making love is like hitting a baseball:
  you just gotta relax and concentrate.  Besides, I'd never sleep
  with a player hitting under .250... not unless he had a lot
  of RBIs and was a great glove man up the middle.  You see,
  there's a certain amount of life wisdom I give these boys.
  I can expand their minds.  Sometimes when I've got a ballplayer
  alone, I'll just read Emily Dickinson or Walt Whitman to him,
  and the guys are so sweet, they always stay and listen.  'Course,
  a guy'll listen to anything if he thinks it's foreplay.  I make
  them feel confident, and they make me feel safe, and pretty.
  'Course, what I give them lasts a lifetime; what they give
  me lasts 142 games.  Sometimes it seems like a bad trade.
  But bad trades are part of baseball - now who can forget Frank
  Robinson for Milt Pappas, for God's sake?  It's a long season
  and you gotta trust.  I've tried 'em all, I really have, and
  the only church that truly feeds the soul, day in, day out,
  is the Church of Baseball."
                       --Annie Savoy in "Bull Durham", by Ron Shelton
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Jeffrey Turner - 09 Jul 2009 20:03 GMT
> Sheila Jackson Lee, quoted by Peter Duncanson:
>>>   Some of you come from all faiths
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> ObOpeningNarration:
>   "I believe in the Church of Baseball.

The Brooklyn Dodgers were the closest thing to a religion my mom had
growing up.  It was a terrible blow when they moved to LA.

--Jeff

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Snidely - 10 Jul 2009 18:22 GMT
> The Brooklyn Dodgers were the closest thing to a religion my mom had
> growing up.  It was a terrible blow when they moved to LA.

LA hasn't recovered yet ...

/dps
Amethyst Deceiver - 10 Jul 2009 14:55 GMT
> Sheila Jackson Lee, quoted by Peter Duncanson:
> > >   Some of you come from all faiths
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> ObOpeningNarration:
>   "I believe in the Church of Baseball.  

It's The First Presleytarian Church Of Elvis The Divine all the way for
me.
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My accent may vary

Chuck Riggs - 09 Jul 2009 16:28 GMT
>During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila Jackson
>Lee said:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/07/cnr.07.html

It is not a variety of AmE I'm familiar with. A quirk is probably what
it is.
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who speaks AmE, lives near Dublin, Ireland
and usually spells in BrE

Pat Durkin - 09 Jul 2009 16:50 GMT
> During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila Jackson
> Lee said:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> individuals each of whom "comes from all faiths". This must be
> confusing for the individuals.

I wonder if this comment necessarily follows.  I have never heard "some"
parsed as "each".  I admit the statement is awkward.  Even saying "many
faiths" doesn't work.  The problem must be with "some".

I can only explain it by her being a long-term resident of Texas, having
spent her early years in Queens.

> Is this phrasing common in AmE or is it a quirk of Rep. Jackson Lee?
>
> http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/07/cnr.07.html
Bob G - 09 Jul 2009 17:23 GMT
>     Some of you come from all faiths. And we respect that here in
>     America.

I heard a TV news person say people were honoring MJ's death.
Nick - 09 Jul 2009 19:29 GMT
> During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila Jackson
> Lee said:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> individuals each of whom "comes from all faiths". This must be confusing
> for the individuals.

Could be a member of the Church of the Global Standard Deity:

"The GSD has a little bit of all religions, arguing that if there was
one God, then He would really have very little to do with all the fluff
and muddle down here on the material plane, and a streamlining of the
faiths might very well be in His interest. Worshippers came and went as
they pleased, prayed according to how they felt most happy, and mingled
freely with other GSD members. It enjoyed moderate success, but what God
actually thought of it no one ever really knew."
- Jasper Fford.
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Mike L - 09 Jul 2009 21:02 GMT
> > During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila Jackson
> > Lee said:
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Online waterways route planner:http://canalplan.org.uk
>            development version:http://canalplan.eu

The latest on that front is that Microsoft have bought up the GSD, but
Google are racing to reverse-engineer it. Torvalds says there's no
rush, as a simpler and more reliable but just as capable equivalent is
taking shape spontaneously among the open-source ciommunity. The Royal
Bank of Scotland hastily cancelled an enormous celebration party and
went suspiciously quiet when it was discovered to have paid 500
billion pounds for a German Shepherd Dog.

--
Mike.
Paul Wolff - 09 Jul 2009 23:10 GMT
>On 9 July, 19:29, Nick <3-nos...@temporary-address.org.uk> wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>taking shape spontaneously among the open-source ciommunity. The Royal
>Bank of Scotland hastily cancelled an enormous celebration party

You think you're making that up. Black Jake, alias Christian Engström,
the Swedish Pirate Party's member in the European Parliament (the
nearest thing online to a celebration party) gets manifesto space in the
FT for free reverse-engineering for all.

<http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/87c523a4-6b18-11de-861d-00144feabdc0.html?ncli
ck_check=1>

>and
>went suspiciously quiet when it was discovered to have paid 500
>billion pounds for a German Shepherd Dog.

and Global Gaming Company by an extraordinary coincidence agreed a week
earlier to pay 60 million kronor for the Pirate Bay operation praised by
Black Jake.

<http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2009/06/pirate-bay-site-sold-to-swedish-gam
ing.html>

       Global Gaming Factory was quick to announce in a very un-piratey
       manner that it would start paying copyright fees for all content
       linked to via the Pirate Bay site. Hans Pandeya, head of Global
       Gaming Factory, is cited by the BBC as saying "We would like to
       introduce models which entail that content providers and
       copyright owners get paid for content that is downloaded via the
       site. ... Content creators and providers need to control their
       content and get paid for it."

"I only ever wanted to be apprenticed to a pilot."
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Jeffrey Turner - 09 Jul 2009 19:59 GMT
> During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila Jackson
> Lee said:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/07/cnr.07.html

We've supposedly got a "Judeo-Christian" tradition, but I've never seen
a listing for a Judeo-Christian church anywhere.  I know people who have
bounced around a bit, and at least one friend who is both a Unitarian
and a Buddhist.  If it's a large enough audience, maybe someone hit all
the (major) faith traditions - or was born into a well-mixed family.

--Jeff

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