"some of you come from all faiths"
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Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 09 Jul 2009 13:56 GMT During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee said:
Some of you come from all faiths. And we respect that here in America.
The first sentence struck me as odd. It implies that there are some individuals each of whom "comes from all faiths". This must be confusing for the individuals.
Is this phrasing common in AmE or is it a quirk of Rep. Jackson Lee?
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/07/cnr.07.html
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Maria Conlon - 09 Jul 2009 14:26 GMT > During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila Jackson > Lee said: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Is this phrasing common in AmE or is it a quirk of Rep. Jackson Lee?
> http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/07/cnr.07.html Common? Not really. And in the case at hand, it may have been just a matter of misspeaking. (I'm not familiar with Sheila Jackson Lee, so it's hard to know if she does or does not use the phrase regularly.)
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Roland Hutchinson - 09 Jul 2009 15:19 GMT > During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila Jackson > Lee said: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/07/cnr.07.html It stries my American ear as the sort of production error that anyone can make in spontaneous speech. As if "Some of you come from different faiths" (i.e. different from mine and the Jackson family's) got mixed up with "You come from all faiths".
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Jerry Friedman - 12 Jul 2009 05:25 GMT > > During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila Jackson > > Lee said: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > faiths" (i.e. different from mine and the Jackson family's) got mixed up > with "You come from all faiths". And "For every faith, there are some here who come from it."
In addition to what Roland said, I'd say a great many people aren't interested in the literal meaning of quantifiers (or their verbal equivalent), and I'll bet most of the listeners didn't notice in the slightest the implication Peter noticed.
-- Jerry Friedman
Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 12 Jul 2009 12:47 GMT >> > During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila Jackson >> > Lee said: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >equivalent), and I'll bet most of the listeners didn't notice in the >slightest the implication Peter noticed. I didn't notice it while listening to the Congresswoman, but I can't claim to have been paying close attention at the time.
I noticed it later while reading the transcript.
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John Kane - 09 Jul 2009 15:42 GMT On Jul 9, 8:56 am, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
> During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila Jackson > Lee said: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > individuals each of whom "comes from all faiths". This must be confusing > for the individuals. Well, I think I've heard of 'church shopping"[1] so I suppose that one can have come from all faiths.
John Kane, Kingston ON Canada
[1] I once met a man who was 'working' on his sixth denomination but, I believe that they all were Christian.
Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 09 Jul 2009 15:56 GMT >On Jul 9, 8:56 am, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Well, I think I've heard of 'church shopping"[1] so I suppose that >one can have come from all faiths. There is one religion that might be describe as "all faiths": the Bahá'í Faith. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD_Faith
Bahá'í teachings emphasize the underlying unity of the major world religions. Religious history is seen to have unfolded through a series of divine messengers, each of whom established a religion that was suited to the needs of the time and the capacity of the people. These messengers have included Abraham, Krishna, Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad and others, including most recently Bahá'u'lláh. In Bahá'í belief, each messenger taught of the next, and Bahá'u'lláh's life and teachings fulfill the end-time promises of previous scriptures. Humanity is understood to be involved in a process of collective evolution, and the need of the present time is for the gradual establishment of peace, justice and unity on a global scale.
Of course the followers of the major world religions do not see it that way and consider Bahá'í to be just another minority religion.
>John Kane, Kingston ON Canada > >[1] I once met a man who was 'working' on his sixth denomination but, >I believe that they all were Christian.
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Roland Hutchinson - 10 Jul 2009 05:22 GMT > O > There is one religion that might be describe as "all faiths": the Bahá'í [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Of course the followers of the major world religions do not see it that > way and consider Bahá'í to be just another minority religion. ...or worse. Some (I shan't name names here) consider Bahá'i to be outright heretics and would therefore deny them even the rights and respect that they would grant to minority religions.
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pdpi - 09 Jul 2009 16:32 GMT > On Jul 9, 8:56 am, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > [1] I once met a man who was 'working' on his sixth denomination but, > I believe that they all were Christian. Well, provided it's _comparison_ shopping, I'd call that a pretty good idea.
Skitt - 09 Jul 2009 19:13 GMT >> During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila >> Jackson Lee said: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > [1] I once met a man who was 'working' on his sixth denomination but, > I believe that they all were Christian. When I was a wee one, my grandmother took me around to many churches for a sort of show-and-tell. I then followed the family tradition and settled on none, even though I enjoyed the musicality of the Russian-Orthodox services.
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Mark Brader - 09 Jul 2009 19:44 GMT Sheila Jackson Lee, quoted by Peter Duncanson:
> > Some of you come from all faiths John Kane:
> Well, I think I've heard of 'church shopping"... so I suppose that > one can have come from all faiths. ObOpeningNarration: "I believe in the Church of Baseball. I've tried all the major religions, and most of the minor ones. I've worshipped Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms, and Isadora Duncan. I know things. For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I heard that, I gave Jesus a chance. But it just didn't work out between us. The Lord laid too much guilt on me. I prefer metaphysics to theology. You see, there's no guilt in baseball, and it's never boring... which makes it like sex. There's never been a ballplayer slept with me who didn't have the best year of his career. Making love is like hitting a baseball: you just gotta relax and concentrate. Besides, I'd never sleep with a player hitting under .250... not unless he had a lot of RBIs and was a great glove man up the middle. You see, there's a certain amount of life wisdom I give these boys. I can expand their minds. Sometimes when I've got a ballplayer alone, I'll just read Emily Dickinson or Walt Whitman to him, and the guys are so sweet, they always stay and listen. 'Course, a guy'll listen to anything if he thinks it's foreplay. I make them feel confident, and they make me feel safe, and pretty. 'Course, what I give them lasts a lifetime; what they give me lasts 142 games. Sometimes it seems like a bad trade. But bad trades are part of baseball - now who can forget Frank Robinson for Milt Pappas, for God's sake? It's a long season and you gotta trust. I've tried 'em all, I really have, and the only church that truly feeds the soul, day in, day out, is the Church of Baseball." --Annie Savoy in "Bull Durham", by Ron Shelton
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Jeffrey Turner - 09 Jul 2009 20:03 GMT > Sheila Jackson Lee, quoted by Peter Duncanson: >>> Some of you come from all faiths [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ObOpeningNarration: > "I believe in the Church of Baseball. The Brooklyn Dodgers were the closest thing to a religion my mom had growing up. It was a terrible blow when they moved to LA.
--Jeff
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Snidely - 10 Jul 2009 18:22 GMT > The Brooklyn Dodgers were the closest thing to a religion my mom had > growing up. It was a terrible blow when they moved to LA. LA hasn't recovered yet ...
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Amethyst Deceiver - 10 Jul 2009 14:55 GMT > Sheila Jackson Lee, quoted by Peter Duncanson: > > > Some of you come from all faiths [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ObOpeningNarration: > "I believe in the Church of Baseball. It's The First Presleytarian Church Of Elvis The Divine all the way for me.
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Chuck Riggs - 09 Jul 2009 16:28 GMT >During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila Jackson >Lee said: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/07/cnr.07.html It is not a variety of AmE I'm familiar with. A quirk is probably what it is.
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Pat Durkin - 09 Jul 2009 16:50 GMT > During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila Jackson > Lee said: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > individuals each of whom "comes from all faiths". This must be > confusing for the individuals. I wonder if this comment necessarily follows. I have never heard "some" parsed as "each". I admit the statement is awkward. Even saying "many faiths" doesn't work. The problem must be with "some".
I can only explain it by her being a long-term resident of Texas, having spent her early years in Queens.
> Is this phrasing common in AmE or is it a quirk of Rep. Jackson Lee? > > http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/07/cnr.07.html Bob G - 09 Jul 2009 17:23 GMT > Some of you come from all faiths. And we respect that here in > America. I heard a TV news person say people were honoring MJ's death.
Nick - 09 Jul 2009 19:29 GMT > During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila Jackson > Lee said: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > individuals each of whom "comes from all faiths". This must be confusing > for the individuals. Could be a member of the Church of the Global Standard Deity:
"The GSD has a little bit of all religions, arguing that if there was one God, then He would really have very little to do with all the fluff and muddle down here on the material plane, and a streamlining of the faiths might very well be in His interest. Worshippers came and went as they pleased, prayed according to how they felt most happy, and mingled freely with other GSD members. It enjoyed moderate success, but what God actually thought of it no one ever really knew." - Jasper Fford.
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Mike L - 09 Jul 2009 21:02 GMT > > During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila Jackson > > Lee said: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Online waterways route planner:http://canalplan.org.uk > development version:http://canalplan.eu The latest on that front is that Microsoft have bought up the GSD, but Google are racing to reverse-engineer it. Torvalds says there's no rush, as a simpler and more reliable but just as capable equivalent is taking shape spontaneously among the open-source ciommunity. The Royal Bank of Scotland hastily cancelled an enormous celebration party and went suspiciously quiet when it was discovered to have paid 500 billion pounds for a German Shepherd Dog.
-- Mike.
Paul Wolff - 09 Jul 2009 23:10 GMT >On 9 July, 19:29, Nick <3-nos...@temporary-address.org.uk> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >taking shape spontaneously among the open-source ciommunity. The Royal >Bank of Scotland hastily cancelled an enormous celebration party You think you're making that up. Black Jake, alias Christian Engström, the Swedish Pirate Party's member in the European Parliament (the nearest thing online to a celebration party) gets manifesto space in the FT for free reverse-engineering for all.
<http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/87c523a4-6b18-11de-861d-00144feabdc0.html?ncli ck_check=1>
>and >went suspiciously quiet when it was discovered to have paid 500 >billion pounds for a German Shepherd Dog. and Global Gaming Company by an extraordinary coincidence agreed a week earlier to pay 60 million kronor for the Pirate Bay operation praised by Black Jake.
<http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2009/06/pirate-bay-site-sold-to-swedish-gam ing.html>
Global Gaming Factory was quick to announce in a very un-piratey manner that it would start paying copyright fees for all content linked to via the Pirate Bay site. Hans Pandeya, head of Global Gaming Factory, is cited by the BBC as saying "We would like to introduce models which entail that content providers and copyright owners get paid for content that is downloaded via the site. ... Content creators and providers need to control their content and get paid for it."
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Jeffrey Turner - 09 Jul 2009 19:59 GMT > During the Michael Jackson Memorial event Congresswoman Sheila Jackson > Lee said: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/07/cnr.07.html We've supposedly got a "Judeo-Christian" tradition, but I've never seen a listing for a Judeo-Christian church anywhere. I know people who have bounced around a bit, and at least one friend who is both a Unitarian and a Buddhist. If it's a large enough audience, maybe someone hit all the (major) faith traditions - or was born into a well-mixed family.
--Jeff
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