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Marius Hancu - 12 Jul 2009 18:54 GMT
Hello:

Someone's asking:

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Can I use present progressive tense to express future in complex
sentences? Example:

1. I'm leaving after she arrives.
2. Before I watch TV, I'm writing a letter to my parents.
3. I am leaving after lunch.
4. I am leaving after she arrives.
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I have my own ideas about it all, however I'd like to have your
opinions.

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Thanks.
Marius Hancu
ke10@cam.ac.uk - 12 Jul 2009 19:12 GMT
>Hello:
>
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>3. I am leaving after lunch.
>4. I am leaving after she arrives.

1, 3 and 4 are fine, though the uncontracted form "I am" sounds a little formal
for the sort of statement concerned.

For some reason 2 doesn't work.  I can see two reasons: the whole doesn't quite
work quite so well when inverted, and also watching TV and writing are not
events, they are continuous processes.  So "before I switch on the TV, I'm
unplugging the hair-dryer" is fine.

This one also seems to be in the very near future (perhaps because one doesn't
plan this sort of thing very far ahead), whereas item 1, for instance, could
easily be a month hence.

Katy
Ray O'Hara - 12 Jul 2009 19:34 GMT
> In article
> <feafd96a-f25f-47c0-a223-ee3ad5f55bac@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
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>
> Katy

"I am leaving after lunch" is fine.
Roland Hutchinson - 12 Jul 2009 21:21 GMT
> >Hello:
> >
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> plan this sort of thing very far ahead), whereas item 1, for instance, could
> easily be a month hence.

For no. 2, for reasons that I can't explain, I'd go with "Before I watch
TV, I'm going to write a letter to my parents."

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Marius Hancu - 13 Jul 2009 01:30 GMT
On Jul 12, 2:12 pm, k...@cam.ac.uk wrote:

> >1. I'm leaving after she arrives.
> >2. Before I watch TV, I'm writing a letter to my parents.
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>
> For some reason 2 doesn't work.

Same feeling.

Thank you very much.
Marius Hancu
Ian Jackson - 12 Jul 2009 19:15 GMT
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<feafd96a-f25f-47c0-a223-ee3ad5f55bac@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
Marius Hancu <Marius.Hancu@gmail.com> writes
>Hello:
>
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>I have my own ideas about it all, however I'd like to have your
>opinions.

They look perfect to me.
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Derek Turner - 12 Jul 2009 20:05 GMT
> Hello:
>
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> leaving after lunch.
> 4. I am leaving after she arrives.

(BrE) in 2. I'd definitely use 'going to write'. AmE may vary.
Jeffrey Turner - 12 Jul 2009 21:12 GMT
>> Hello:
>>
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>
> (BrE) in 2. I'd definitely use 'going to write'. AmE may vary.

Yes, they're all perfectly fine in AmE.  "Going to write" would be OK
too.

--Jeff

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John Varela - 12 Jul 2009 23:49 GMT
> > Hello:
> >
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>
> (BrE) in 2. I'd definitely use 'going to write'. AmE may vary.

"Going to write" is much better.

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Mark Brader - 12 Jul 2009 22:00 GMT
Marius Hancu:
> 1. I'm leaving after she arrives.
> 2. Before I watch TV, I'm writing a letter to my parents.
> 3. I am leaving after lunch.
> 4. I am leaving after she arrives.

All of these are fine.
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CDB - 13 Jul 2009 00:56 GMT
> Can I use present progressive tense to express future in complex
> sentences? Example:

> 1. I'm leaving after she arrives.
> 2. Before I watch TV, I'm writing a letter to my parents.
> 3. I am leaving after lunch.
> 4. I am leaving after she arrives.
> ----

> I have my own ideas about it all, however I'd like to have your
> opinions.

They are mostly harmless, as people have said, although only in
conversational style.  To my North American ear, they convey a sense
of urgency or determination that isn't present in the future or even
the auxiliary "am going to" in the same contexts: the use of the
present progressive seems to make the expressed intention almost into
an actuality.  For me, the future-tense equivalent would be "I will",
not "I shall" (and not "I'll", maybe for the same reason that others
have preferred "I am going" to "I'm going" -- the phrase needs a
certain emphasis to have its proper effect).
Marius Hancu - 13 Jul 2009 01:28 GMT
> > 1. I'm leaving after she arrives.
> > 2. Before I watch TV, I'm writing a letter to my parents.
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> They are mostly harmless, as people have said, although only in
> conversational style.

Fully agree.

> To my North American ear, they convey a sense
> of urgency or determination that isn't present in the future or even
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> have preferred "I am going" to "I'm going" -- the phrase needs a
> certain emphasis to have its proper effect).

Nice commentary.

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Thank you all.
Marius Hancu
Eric Walker - 13 Jul 2009 02:08 GMT
> Can I use present progressive tense to express future in complex
> sentences? Example:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> 3. I am leaving after lunch.
> 4. I am leaving after she arrives.

Numbers 1, 3, and 4 are identical in form.

Generally, either the terminate or the progressive present can be used to
show futurity when some contextual marker of that futurity is attached:
"The ship sails _Wednesday_"; "He is arriving _soon_."  Thus, "I'm
leaving" is satisfactory, and the prepositional phrase that follows it in
each of the three parallel forms is simply that marker.

Number 2 is, I believe, technically correct but, for some reason,
unidiomatic.  One could say "Before I do anything, I'm calling my lawyer"
without raising eyebrows, but the exact casting above rankles.  Even a
simple rearrangement sounds better: "I'm writing a letter to my parents
before I watch TV."

More acceptable (to my sensibilities) if the original order is to be
retained would be "Before I watch TV, I'm going to write a letter to my
parents"; "am going to" in connection with a dependent infinitive usually
has the force of a pure future auxiliary (but can have other shadings of
meaning).

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