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Discussion Groups / English Usage / July 2009BrE: All that sort of thing
Hello: Is this "all that sort of thing" mainly BrE? "Hearty" too? ---- 'I imagine everyone in Kenya will be terribly hearty and wear shorts and drink sundowners and all that sort of thing,' Stringham used to say. Anthony Powell, A Dance to the Music of Time, p. 41 ---- -- Thanks. Marius Hancu > Hello: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Anthony Powell, A Dance to the Music of Time, p. 41 ---- Dunno but it's decidedly old-fashioned, 1950's at the latest??? >> Hello: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Dunno but it's decidedly old-fashioned, 1950's at the latest??? My grandson would say "And all that lot" which is pretty common around here.  SignatureJohn Dean Oxford > >> Is this "all that sort of thing" mainly BrE? "Hearty" too? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > My grandson would say "And all that lot" which is pretty common around here. How about "hearty?" Thank you both. Marius Hancu >> How about "hearty?" > > Thank you both. > Marius Hancu I meant my answer to include both. Marius Hancu wrote... >> >> 'I imagine everyone in Kenya will be terribly hearty and wear >> >> shorts and drink sundowners and all that sort of thing,' >> >> Stringham used to say. >> >> >> Anthony Powell, A Dance to the Music of Time, p. 41 > How about "hearty?" OED says 'a. 3. At some English universities, used to denote an extrovert who enters heartily into college life and sports; an athletic (as distinguished from an æsthetic) man.' It's broadly equivalent to the US /jock/, which it define as 'an athletic (as distinguished from an æsthetic or intellectual) man (esp. one at a university); a 'hearty'. /N. Amer. slang./ Such men may take a long time to grow out of their heartiness. They were also the ones most likely to seek an active outdoor life in the colonies. SignatureNoel > Marius Hancu wrote... >>>>> 'I imagine everyone in Kenya will be terribly hearty and wear [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > were also the ones most likely to seek an active outdoor life in the > colonies. Some commonalities with the piratical "Arrr, me hearties". >> Marius Hancu wrote... >>>>>> 'I imagine everyone in Kenya will be terribly hearty and wear [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Some commonalities with the piratical "Arrr, me hearties". Indeed. OED has them as successive sub-entries: " 2. A hearty fellow; a brave, vigorous man; esp. in phr. my hearty! my hearties! used in addressing sailors. Hence, a sailor, a jack-tar. ... 3. At some English universities, used to denote an extrovert who enters heartily into college life and sports; an athletic (as distinguished from an æsthetic) man. Also in more general use." In the works of such as Waugh, 'hearty' is something of a derogatory term - they do rough things like dunking aesthetes into fountains and they lack artistic inclinations. SignatureJohn Dean Oxford > > >> Is this "all that sort of thing" mainly BrE? "Hearty" too? > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > How about "hearty?" Speaking for the AmE contingent, "hearty" is nowadays mostly used to describe meals -- in advertising copy. And handshakes. And in recalling the long-ago radio announcer's description of the Lone Ranger's cry of "Heigh-ho, Silver!". SignatureRoland Hutchinson He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba," ... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy. --Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ ) > Speaking for the AmE contingent, "hearty" is nowadays mostly used to > describe meals -- in advertising copy. And handshakes. And in > recalling the long-ago radio announcer's description of the Lone > Ranger's cry of "Heigh-ho, Silver!". It's also used on September 19, International Talk Like a Pirate Day, as in "Avast, me hearties!" SignatureJohn Varela Trade NEWlamps for OLDlamps for email >> Speaking for the AmE contingent, "hearty" is nowadays mostly used to >> describe meals -- in advertising copy. And handshakes. And in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >It's also used on September 19, International Talk Like a Pirate >Day, as in "Avast, me hearties!" I can just imagine the Somalis and Israelis saying that, as they board ships in international waters. SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk Roland Hutchinson filted: >> How about "hearty?" > >Speaking for the AmE contingent, "hearty" is nowadays mostly used to >describe meals -- in advertising copy. And handshakes. And in >recalling the long-ago radio announcer's description of the Lone >Ranger's cry of "Heigh-ho, Silver!". And the welcome to be given Johnny when he comes marching home again, hurrah, hurrah.... (For suitably broad values of "nowadays")....r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? > "Heigh-ho, Silver!" Isn't that "Hi-Yo, Silver"? SignatureJohn Varela Trade NEWlamps for OLDlamps for email John Varela filted: >> "Heigh-ho, Silver!" > >Isn't that "Hi-Yo, Silver"? That's the Ed McMahon version....r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? > John Varela filted: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That's the Ed McMahon version....r Unlike Hi Ho silver which is the Jeff Beck version. Or Hi-de-Hi which is the Maplins version. Or Empowered am I to sing The omens, what their force which, journeying, Rejoiced the potentates: Which is the Browning Version SignatureJohn Dean Oxford John Dean filted: >> John Varela filted: >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Which is the Browning Version I.O.I.O. Silver...the Bee Gees version....r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? > > "Heigh-ho, Silver!" > > Isn't that "Hi-Yo, Silver"? Ear-wormed again. SignatureLinz Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford My accent may vary > > Is this "all that sort of thing" mainly BrE? Any confirmation it isn't AmE? > > > Is this "all that sort of thing" mainly BrE? > > Any confirmation it isn't AmE? "All that sort of thing" is perfectly useful American English. What made you think it isn't? Some quick examples: went with what shot, and what scene, and all that sort of thing. He believes in justice and all that sort of thing. "There's no signs of any real bounce at all in anything to do with housing, retailing, all that sort of thing," said Buffett Boston resorted to pinch hitters and all that sort of thing SignatureBest -- Donna Richoux > > > > Is this "all that sort of thing" mainly BrE? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > "There's no signs of any real bounce at all in anything to do with > housing, retailing, all that sort of thing," said Buffett Not sure why I thought otherwise, but it's better to ask:-) Thank you, Donna. Marius Hancu > Hello: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Anthony Powell, A Dance to the Music of Time, p. 41 Hearty=healthy and robust. "all that sort of thing" is calling up a stereotypr the author assumes the reader shares. > > 'I imagine everyone in Kenya will be terribly hearty and wear shorts > > and drink sundowners and all that sort of thing,' Stringham used to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Hearty=healthy and robust. Other readings say: jovial, enthusiastic and seem to better fit. Thanks. Marius Hancu |
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