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Discussion Groups / English Usage / July 2009Line regiment
Hello: Is "line regiment" an infantry regiment, in BrE? --- He had begun his soldiering in a line regiment; later, with a view to being slightly better paid, exchanging into the Army Service Corps. Anthony Powell, A Dance to the Music of Time, p. 48 ---- -- Thanks. Marius Hancu > Is "line regiment" an infantry regiment, in BrE? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Anthony Powell, A Dance to the Music of Time, p. 48 Yes, just so, cf. the way Julius Caesar or Wellington deployed men for battle in a "thin red line," mostly infantry. Special troops (e.g. artillery, cavalry) are likely to be elsewhere. Cf. also "the right of the line," a position of special honour reserved for specially brave formations.  SignatureDon Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) > > Is "line regiment" an infantry regiment, in BrE? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > also "the right of the line," a position of special honour reserved > for specially brave formations. Thank you. Marius Hancu >> Is "line regiment" an infantry regiment, in BrE? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Yes, just so, No, not entirely. A line regiment is one that could be deployed in the battle lines and could, therefore, be from any of the main disciplines - infantry, cavalry and, less frequently, artillery. It differentiates a unit from the service or logistical outfits like the above mentioned ASC and such as the Pay Corps, Medical Service, Corps of Transport and so on. A 'line regiment' is essentially a fighting regiment. > cf. the way Julius Caesar or Wellington deployed > men for battle in a "thin red line," mostly infantry. The Romans deployed in greater depth than a 'thin red line' and Wellington was a master of using a variety of formations - cf the famous squares which defeated the French cavalry at Waterloo. > also "the right of the line," a position of special honour reserved > for specially brave formations. In the British Army the 'right of the line' is a traditional honour. It doesn't vary according to achievement and is based on longevity rather than achievement together with snobbery (cavalry regiments first you know and all that rot).: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Army_order_of_precedence Note that, eg, the Engineers and Signals take precedence over the Foot Guards (cf Alexander, Hercules, Hector, Lysander et al) but service corps generally go on the far left (and are expected to speak only when spoken to). SignatureJohn Dean Oxford > >> Is "line regiment" an infantry regiment, in BrE? > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > as the Pay Corps, Medical Service, Corps of Transport and so on. A 'line > regiment' is essentially a fighting regiment. OK. Thanks. Marius Hancu John Dean wrote, in <7c0scdF23njd7U1@mid.individual.net> on Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:45:07 +0100: > >> Is "line regiment" an infantry regiment, in BrE? > >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > generally go on the far left (and are expected to speak only when spoken > to). "The function of cavalry in battle is to add tone to what would otherwise be merely a vulgar brawl." Variously attributed to Punch, Wellington and Churchill among others. SignatureNick Spalding BrE/IrE > "The function of cavalry in battle is to add tone to what would > otherwise be merely a vulgar brawl." > > Variously attributed to Punch, Wellington and Churchill among others. Fine quotation. Now pls tell us your take for "tone" in it:-) Marius Hancu >Hello: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Anthony Powell, A Dance to the Music of Time, p. 48 >---- This is a matter of military yerminology which I am not qualified to pontificate on. However, if you think of "line regiment" as meaning approximately "front-line fighting regiment" you will not go to far wrong. There were/are cavalry line regiments as well as infantry line regiments. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Regiment+of+the+line Regiment of the line (Mil.) a regiment organized for general service; - in distinction from those (as the Life Guards) whose duties are usually special. See also: Regiment Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, published 1913 by C. & G. Merriam Co. The (Royal) Army Service Corps mentioned in your quote was responsible for transport and supply (particularly food). It was not a fighting unit. http://www.btinternet.com/~oneofmany/html/rasc_history.html SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >military yerminology That started life as "terminology". It might have been "got at" by an enemy saboteur. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) On 13 Jul 2009, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote >> military yerminology > > That started life as "terminology". It might have been "got at" > by an enemy saboteur. Damn those clogs! SignatureCheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed Peter Duncanson: >> military yerminology > > That started life as "terminology". It might have been "got at" by an > enemy saboteur. Was he a Yerman? [Of course, I know "he" is correct because (rot13) Crgre qvqa'g fnl "fnobgrhfr". :-)] SignatureMark Brader "It is hard to be brave", said Piglet, sniffing Toronto slightly, "when you're only a Very Small Animal." msb@vex.net -- A. A. Milne, Winnie-the-Pooh On Jul 13, 8:07 am, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net> wrote: > >--- > >He had begun his soldiering in a line regiment; later, with a view to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > approximately "front-line fighting regiment" you will not go to far > wrong. That was one of my readings. Thanks. Marius Hancu >not go to far More sabotage: "too". SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >>Hello: >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >There were/are cavalry line regiments as well as infantry line >regiments. I recall "line" being used in bizspeak for something to do with chain of command -- "line authority" or something like that. I was never quite sure what it meant. Another military-sounding phrase popular among Marxist historians was "social formations" -- it was never very clear to me what that meant either. SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk > I recall "line" being used in bizspeak for something to do with chain of > command -- "line authority" or something like that. "line management"? > I was never quite sure what it meant. Your line manager is the person formally responsible for you, and to whom you are responsible. So things such as getting approval for leave or overtime, being formally disciplined, any sort of annual appraisal etc will be between you and your line manager. You may well have other managers who, say, control aspects of some of the work you do (for example, someone could be line manager for a team of project managers who go off to do specific projects for different people). SignatureOnline waterways route planner: http://canalplan.org.uk development version: http://canalplan.eu > Hello: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Thanks. > Marius Hancu It's a regular regt used in the line of battle. A basic unit not engineers or rifles or any other fancy style unit. |
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