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tonbei - 16 Jul 2009 01:06 GMT
Let me ask a question about the usage of "leave" in the following
sentence from a novel.

I intend to leave the gun in the car. Guns leave bullets and people
see cars, so it's
important to completely destroy the car and everything in it.
Understand?
(the Perican Brief,p26, by J.Chrisham)

Context: An assasin is saying this to the person who hired him.

Question: about the meaning of "Guns leave bullets".
'Leave' has some different meanings as a verb,  according to Longman
1)  go away from a place or a person
2) leave somebody/something alone
3) to let something remain in a particular state, position, or
condition

I'm confused which meaning to pick up for this case.

"Guns leave bullets"
meaning "guns go away from bullets"?
or meaning "guns leave bullets alone"?
or "guns leave bullets in a particular state"?

Either of which doesn't seem to fit.

If it were "bullets leave guns", I feel it would be understanble,
meaining "bullets depart from a gun".
But "guns leave bullets, I don't know.

Would you help me to get what's meant by this sentence?
Frank ess - 16 Jul 2009 01:25 GMT
> Let me ask a question about the usage of "leave" in the following
> sentence from a novel.
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> Would you help me to get what's meant by this sentence?

I'm thinking it means something in the same vein as "fingers leave
fingerprints", suggesting potential for connecting the weapon with the
crime, the hand to the scene.

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Pat Durkin - 16 Jul 2009 02:08 GMT
> Let me ask a question about the usage of "leave" in the following
> sentence from a novel.
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> Would you help me to get what's meant by this sentence?

Guns leave bullets, either in the corpse or elsewhere in the crime
scene, so valuable information is gathered from the weight and caliber,
the markings, etc. so scientists and detectives can do investigations
which they hope will lead to capture and conviction.
Robin Bignall - 16 Jul 2009 22:41 GMT
>> Let me ask a question about the usage of "leave" in the following
>> sentence from a novel.
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>the markings, etc. so scientists and detectives can do investigations
>which they hope will lead to capture and conviction.

"For every contact we make with a place, an object, or even another
person, a physical presence is left behind."

This has been formulated into a law (according to detective stories)
and I'm damned if I can remember whose.
 
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Robin
(BrE)
Herts, England

Chuck Riggs - 17 Jul 2009 15:16 GMT
>>> Let me ask a question about the usage of "leave" in the following
>>> sentence from a novel.
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
>This has been formulated into a law (according to detective stories)
>and I'm damned if I can remember whose.

The Ghostbusters?
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Chuck Riggs,
who speaks AmE, lives near Dublin, Ireland
and usually spells in BrE

Ildhund - 17 Jul 2009 16:41 GMT
Robin Bignall wrote...
> "For every contact we make with a place, an object, or even
> another person, a physical presence is left behind."
>
> This has been formulated into a law (according to detective
> stories) and I'm damned if I can remember whose.

This one, perhaps?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locard%27s_exchange_principle
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... who's been reading too many Lincoln Rhyme thrillers recently

Robin Bignall - 17 Jul 2009 22:28 GMT
>Robin Bignall wrote...
>> "For every contact we make with a place, an object, or even
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>This one, perhaps?
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locard%27s_exchange_principle

Yes, that's the one.  Leaving a bullet, or one of your personal
calling cards, at a murder site, is just an extreme example.
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Robin
(BrE)
Herts, England

J. J. Lodder - 18 Jul 2009 11:18 GMT
> >Robin Bignall wrote...
> >> "For every contact we make with a place, an object, or even
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Yes, that's the one.  Leaving a bullet, or one of your personal
> calling cards, at a murder site, is just an extreme example.

Where else should you leave your bullets?

Jan
Chuck Riggs - 18 Jul 2009 14:28 GMT
>Robin Bignall wrote...
>> "For every contact we make with a place, an object, or even
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>This one, perhaps?
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locard%27s_exchange_principle

The law forms the cornerstone of forensic science.
Half of today's TV detective shows (CSI is an example) would be lost
without it, programmes often held together by boring, often gory,
detail instead of by plot and character development, IMO.
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Chuck Riggs,
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and usually spells in BrE

bert - 16 Jul 2009 09:28 GMT
> Let me ask a question about the usage of "leave" in the following
> sentence from a novel.
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> Would you help me to get what's meant by this sentence?

Yes, the gun fires a bullet, but afterwards, the
bullet stays wherever it stopped, while the gun
is taken away.  The gun has left the bullet, in the
same sense as a horse has left a dropping, or a
forgetful passenger has left an umbrella.  Seeing
the one, we know that the other has been here.
--
Steve Hayes - 16 Jul 2009 11:54 GMT
>Let me ask a question about the usage of "leave" in the following
>sentence from a novel.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> I'm confused which meaning to pick up for this case.

3.

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Mark Brader - 16 Jul 2009 20:23 GMT
"Tonbei":
>> Let me ask a question about the usage of "leave" in the following
>> sentence from a novel.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> everything in it.  Understand?
>> (the Perican Brief,p26, by J.Chrisham)

When you misspell the title and also the author's name, you leave
people wondering whether you have copied the sentence correctly.

>> Question: about the meaning of "Guns leave bullets".
>> 'Leave' has some different meanings as a verb,  according to Longman
>> 1)  go away from a place or a person
>> 2) leave somebody/something alone
>> 3) to let something remain in a particular state, position, or
>> condition

Steve Hayes:
> 3.

It's something between 1 and 3 -- really it's not any of those.
The online Merriam-Webster has a better set of definitions at
<http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/leave>:

  transitive verb:
  1 a (1): bequeath, devise <left a fortune to his son>
      (2): to have remaining after one's death <leaves a widow and two
           children>
    b: to cause to remain as a trace or aftereffect <oil leaves a stain>
       <the wound left an ugly scar>
  2 a: to cause or allow to be or remain in a specified condition
       <leave the door open> <his manner left me cold>
    b: to fail to include or take along <left the notes at home>
       <the movie leaves a lot out>
    c: to have as a remainder <4 from 7 leaves 3>
    d: to permit to be or remain subject to another's action or control
       <just leave everything to me>
    e: let
    f: to cause or allow to be or remain available <leave room for
       expansion> <left myself an out>
  3 a: to go away from : depart <leave the room>
    b: desert, abandon <left his wife>
    c: to terminate association with : withdraw from <left school
       before graduation>
  4: to put, deposit, or deliver before or in the process of departing
     <I left a package for you> <leave a message>

  intransitive verb: set out, depart

On this list, it's 1b.  And incidentally, it's an unusual thing to say.
What the speaker really means is that *using* a gun leaves a bullet.
As an assassin, if he has a gun he expects to be using it.  That's not
true for everyone who carries them.
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