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Discussion Groups / English Usage / July 2009"Clinic"
Earlier this year we discussed the use of the word "surgery" in the UK to mean an elected politician's advice session in which he or she is available to constituents. We discovered that in the Irish Republic the word "clinic" is used for the same purpose. I have just seen another transferred use of "clinic". A property developer wished to build some houses and apartment near to my house. The plans were submitted to the appropriate government agency, the Divisional Planning Office. Since the original plans were submitted the credit crunch has struck. I and my neighbours have received a letter from the Planning Office saying that amended plans have been submitted. ...the amended plans...available for your inspection in the planning clinic...at...the Island Civic Centre.... I take it that "the planning clinic" is a room in the Civic Centre building with the words "Planning Clinic" on the door.  SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) > Earlier this year we discussed the use of the word "surgery" in the UK > to mean an elected politician's advice session in which he or she is > available to constituents. We discovered that in the Irish Republic the > word "clinic" is used for the same purpose. . . . and in England ISTR. The linking idea seems to be "consulting," a competent description of both how doctors advise patients and how politicians deal with constituents. SignatureDon Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) >> Earlier this year we discussed the use of the word "surgery" in the UK >> to mean an elected politician's advice session in which he or she is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >a competent description of both how doctors advise patients and how >politicians deal with constituents. And, in the US, how gardening experts advise plant growers. (I was just reading about a "plant clinic" being offered at a community center.) SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>> Earlier this year we discussed the use of the word "surgery" in the UK >>> to mean an elected politician's advice session in which he or she is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >just reading about a "plant clinic" being offered at a community >center.) Is that plant clinic analogous to a human medical clinic? There is a face-to-face plant clinic advertised at: http://www.paflora.org/plantclinic/index.html That site also has online diagnostic and treatment guidance for sick plants: http://www.paflora.org/plantclinic/diagnose.htm SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >>>> Earlier this year we discussed the use of the word "surgery" in the UK >>>> to mean an elected politician's advice session in which he or she is [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Is that plant clinic analogous to a human medical clinic? Summat. You don't need to bring the patient in. You can provide the symptoms, samples of bugs, chewed leaves, photographs, or any other indication of the problem. I haven't been to the one advertised, but Tom McCubbin (a local garden expert) holds a plant clinic at some of the art and garden shows. He's quite helpful. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:30:20 +0100, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" ><mail@peterduncanson.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >expert) holds a plant clinic at some of the art and garden shows. >He's quite helpful. I feel quite certain that in a plant clinic, the plants are bed-ridden. SignaturePaul >>On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:30:20 +0100, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" >><mail@peterduncanson.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> > I feel quite certain that in a plant clinic, the plants are bed-ridden. And some of them may well become vegetables. With best wishes, Peter. SignaturePeter Young, (BrE), Consultant Anaesthetist, 1975-2004. (US equivalent: Attending Anesthesiologist) Cheltenham and Gloucester, UK. Now happily retired. http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk >>I haven't been to the one advertised, but Tom McCubbin (a local garden >>expert) holds a plant clinic at some of the art and garden shows. >>He's quite helpful. >> >I feel quite certain that in a plant clinic, the plants are bed-ridden. In the 1970s the sports pages of newspapers often referred to cricket clinics (crossthread alert) and I imagined bed-ridden crickets. I think it was an Americanism, An American outfit called Evangelism Explosion used to hold clinics. Someone from our church went to one, and in reporting back he said "I went to a clinic to be certified". From his description of what went on, however, it sounded like a training course, and not a nursing home for sick evangelists. SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk >>> Earlier this year we discussed the use of the word "surgery" in the UK >>> to mean an elected politician's advice session in which he or she is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > just reading about a "plant clinic" being offered at a community > center.) http://www.basketballclinic.com SignatureThe comfort of the wealthy has always depended upon an abundant supply of the poor. --Voltaire >Earlier this year we discussed the use of the word "surgery" in the UK >to mean an elected politician's advice session in which he or she is [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >I take it that "the planning clinic" is a room in the Civic Centre >building with the words "Planning Clinic" on the door. Perhaps it is because I don't know the area, but the Island Civic Centre is no clearer. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, who speaks AmE, lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE >>Earlier this year we discussed the use of the word "surgery" in the UK >>to mean an elected politician's advice session in which he or she is [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Perhaps it is because I don't know the area, but the Island Civic >Centre is no clearer. This is in the City of Lisburn, Northern Ireland. The Civic Centre is the headquarters of Lisburn City Council. The Civic Centre also has arts exhibition and conference facilities. http://www.lisburncity.gov.uk/lagan-valley-island-conference-centre/ The complex is on an artificial island. It is artificial in that it is a curved triangle of land with a river on two sides and a canal on the third. The canal was necessary to make that section of the river navigable. The river loses height. The canal has a lock. http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=lisburn&ie=UTF8&ll =54.511612,-6.035174&spn=0.001847,0.005681&t=h&z=18&iwloc=A or http://tinyurl.com/muu4g3 A four-tier curved weir can be seen at the left side of the island. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >>>Earlier this year we discussed the use of the word "surgery" in the UK >>>to mean an elected politician's advice session in which he or she is [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >A four-tier curved weir can be seen at the left side of the island. From the map and your description, the island sounds delightful. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, who speaks AmE, lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE Here is the first part of an advertisement that appeared in the (Toronto) Globe and Mail for March 6, 1954: > GEO. L. EMPRINGHAM LTD. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > will demonstrate the famous INGLIS automatic washer > (with the exclusive Suds-Miser) and the INGLIS Dryer. The ad also promised "a free gift for all the ladies". SignatureMark Brader, Toronto "... trapped in a twisty little maze msb@vex.net of backslashes ..." -- Steve Summit My text in this article is in the public domain. > Earlier this year we discussed the use of the word "surgery" in the UK > to mean an elected politician's advice session in which he or she is > available to constituents. In the US we don't have a word for this as it is too unusual to name. --Jeff SignatureThe comfort of the wealthy has always depended upon an abundant supply of the poor. --Voltaire >> Earlier this year we discussed the use of the word "surgery" in the >> UK >> to mean an elected politician's advice session in which he or she is >> available to constituents. > > In the US we don't have a word for this as it is too unusual to name. How about "fund-raiser"? That might qualify. SignatureMaria Conlon >>> Earlier this year we discussed the use of the word "surgery" in the >>> UK [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >How about "fund-raiser"? That might qualify. A Member of Parliament's surgery or clinic is a one-on-one session as with a patient seeing a doctor. The constituent will see the MP to make a point about political policy or to seek help with a problem. The nature of the problem will be that someone is having difficulty getting what they believe to be their entitlement from a government agency. This might be local government or national government. The MP will offer suggestions and advice, and in some cases write a letter to the relevant part of government bureaucracy. Just one MP: http://www.welwynhatfieldconservatives.com/index.php?sectionid=11 Grant Shapps MP holds regular surgeries Grant holds regular surgeries and moves them throughout the constituency so residents don't have to travel so far to see their Member of Parliament. .... WHAT KIND OF PROBLEM CAN YOU BRING TO A SURGERY? Once at a surgery you are free to raise any subject on your mind. People come to the MP's surgery for all manner of reasons ranging from simply wanting to put a point across, to a serious problem requiring the input of the Member of Parliament sometimes because all other agencies have failed to get the problem resolved. Grant is always accompanied by a case worker and a local Councillor to assist with problems which relate to the local authorities. .... WHAT WILL HAPPEN FOLLOWING THE SURGERY? Grant will discuss your problem with you and will let you know at the end of the surgery what course of action (if any is required) he will take. You will then receive a follow-up letter afterwards taking your case forward. Because of the compact geography of the UK Members of Parliament return to their constituencies each weekend. Parliament sits on Monday to Thursday. Many MPs will be back in their constituencies by Friday morning. The MP mentioned above holds his surgeries on Friday mornings from 10.00 - 11.30. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >>>> Earlier this year we discussed the use of the word "surgery" in the >>>> UK [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Just one MP: >http://www.welwynhatfieldconservatives.com/index.php?sectionid=11 Another MP (in Scotland) also has what he calls an "Online surgery" on his website. On other websites it would be a(n) FAQ. It has lists of issues and topics and gives contact details for the organisation which deals with each issue or topic. http://www.jimmurphymp.com/standard.aspx?i_PageID=10557 Issues include: Affordable Housing Animal Welfare Blue Badge Scheme Bin Collection Bank Mergers Carbon Monoxide Poisoning Child Tax Credits Credit Crunch Drainage Repairs Flood Prevention Graffiti Removal Human Fertilisation and Embryology Jewish Divorce There are 259 items in total. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >>>> Earlier this year we discussed the use of the word "surgery" in the >>>> UK [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > will offer suggestions and advice, and in some cases write a letter to > the relevant part of government bureaucracy. Fascinating. In the US, at best you'd speak with your Congessmember's aide. Unless, as Maria alludes, you're putting a large check in said CM's hand. I've met with my CM in Washington as part of a delegation with the ACLU but that was specially arranged in advance and I believe other delegations only met with aides, as we did vis-a-vis our Senators. But even on the state level, where distances aren't so great, the practice would be totally foreign. --Jeff SignatureThe comfort of the wealthy has always depended upon an abundant supply of the poor. --Voltaire |
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