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Two sentences by Alfred North Whitehead

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Yilaner - 18 Jul 2009 06:35 GMT
SENTENCE ONE:

"Another great fact confronting the modern world is the discovery of
the method of training professionals, who specialize in particular
regions of thought and thereby progressively add to the sum of
knowldege with their respective limitations of subject."

Does "their respective limitations of subject" mean those
professionals' limited understanding concering a certain topic?

SENTENCE TWO:

"Effective knowledge is professionalized knowledge, supported by a
restricted acquaintance  with useful subjects subservient to it."

What does "supported by a restricted acquaintance with  useful
subjects subservient to it" indicate here?

Thanks for you kind help!
Marius Hancu - 18 Jul 2009 14:03 GMT
> SENTENCE ONE:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Does "their respective limitations of subject" mean those
> professionals' limited understanding concering a certain topic?

No. It means, IMO, that they cover only a limited number _of
subjects_.

> SENTENCE TWO:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> What does "supported by a restricted acquaintance with  useful
> subjects subservient to it" indicate here?

IMO:

"Effective knowledge is professionalized knowledge, helped by a
familiarity with subjects related/connected to it."

Marius Hancu
John O'Flaherty - 18 Jul 2009 14:19 GMT
>SENTENCE ONE:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Does "their respective limitations of subject" mean those
>professionals' limited understanding concering a certain topic?

He means that a professional may have great understanding of their own
area of specialization, but be limited in their understanding of other
topics.

>SENTENCE TWO:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>What does "supported by a restricted acquaintance with  useful
>subjects subservient to it" indicate here?

Professional knowledge of one subject requires some limited knowledge
of other subjects. For the professional, those other subjects are
subservient, that is, not studied for themselves, but to support the
primary area of expertise.

Both quotations seem to be about the necessity and danger of
specialization.
I found that the quotations are from "Science and the Modern World",
which appears in limited preview at Google books.

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Mark Brader - 18 Jul 2009 23:02 GMT
"Yilaner":
>> "Another great fact confronting the modern world is the discovery of
>> the method of training professionals, who specialize in particular
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> Does "their respective limitations of subject" mean those
>> professionals' limited understanding concering a certain topic?

John O'Flaherty:
> He means that a professional may have great understanding of their own
> area of specialization, but be limited in their understanding of other
> topics.

Yes.  It's the subject that's limited, not the understanding.


>> "Effective knowledge is professionalized knowledge, supported by a
>> restricted acquaintance  with useful subjects subservient to it."
>>
>> What does "supported by a restricted acquaintance with  useful
>> subjects subservient to it" indicate here?

> Professional knowledge of one subject requires some limited knowledge
> of other subjects.

I'm glad you figured that out, because it had me puzzled.  I'd say that
"restricted" is the wrong word -- it implies that there's someone who's
*stopping* the professional from acquiring more knowledge in that other
area.  "Limited" is better.  It could have the same meaning, but in
connection with knowledge it usually just means that there are limits
to what the person knows: they don't know everything there is to know
in the field.  And that's the sense here.
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Don Phillipson - 18 Jul 2009 18:54 GMT
> SENTENCE ONE:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Does "their respective limitations of subject" mean those
> professionals' limited understanding concering a certain topic?

I'd bet you mistyped WITHIN as WITH in the sentence quoted.
WITHIN makes the clearer:  professionals increase the professional
curriculum of knowledge (not necessarily the wider and shallower
knowledge general in society.)

> SENTENCE TWO:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> What does "supported by a restricted acquaintance with  useful
> subjects subservient to it" indicate here?

This is a badly phrased sentence:  It would have been better as:
" . . . professionalized knowledge supported by non-professional
acquaintance with other relevant knowledge."  The original
summarizes orthodox doctrine of approx. 1975.  Researchers
have since that date compiled enlightening information about
the useful interaction of independent knowledge disciplines
that suggests mainly that "relevance" can seldom be forecast.
(It is recognized after the fact, i.e. after some pioneer first
guessed and then demonstrated that AB knowledge might
enlarge CD knowledge.)

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Derek Turner - 19 Jul 2009 09:40 GMT
> Does "their respective limitations of subject" mean those professionals'
> limited understanding concering a certain topic?

Knowing more and more about less and less.
 
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