Hello:
Re "A Walk After Dark" by Auden, p. 267
shown in full at this link:
http://www.poemhunter.com/best-poems/wystan-hugh-auden/a-walk-after-dark-2/
In:
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It soothed adolescence a lot
To meet so shameless a stare;
The things I did could not
Be so shocking as they said
If that would still be there
After the shocked were dead.
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would you agree that "that" in "if that" refers to the
"stare" (presumably of the stars at night)?
In:
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It's cosier thinking of night
As more an Old People's Home
Than a shed for a faultless machine,
That the red pre-Cambrian light
Is gone like Imperial Rome
Or myself at seventeen.
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would you parse it:
"[and THINKING] That the red pre-Cambrian light
Is gone ..."
?
where (according to some commentators) it seems that the red light is
the light emitted by some stars in eons passed, as by now, the time
when it, the light, reaches us, the stars themselves might be gone.
Thus even the stars are faced with their own disappearance; they
aren't for ever.
Also, how would you read "abroad"
in:
--
For the present stalks abroad
Like the past and its wronged again
Whimper and are ignored
--
?
I've settled on:
"at large"
"out there in the open"
but perhaps there are better readings, don't know.
--
Thanks.
Marius Hancu
the Omrud - 21 Jul 2009 11:48 GMT
> Hello:
...
> Also, how would you read "abroad"
> in:
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> "out there in the open"
> but perhaps there are better readings, don't know.
"at large". "walks abroad" is fairly common - it contains a certain
degree of menace. You wouldn't describe your granny as walking abroad,
but you might of a vampire or the Hound of the Baskervilles.

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David
Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 21 Jul 2009 12:06 GMT
>> Hello:
>
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>degree of menace. You wouldn't describe your granny as walking abroad,
>but you might of a vampire or the Hound of the Baskervilles.
Unless your granny is a vampire.
"Stalks" in "stalks abroad" suggests a degree of deliberation, intent,
determination or unstoppableness. It might, but not necessarily, hint at
menace.

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Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
the Omrud - 21 Jul 2009 12:36 GMT
>>> Hello:
>> ...
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>
> Unless your granny is a vampire.
She used to be a werewolf, but she's all right
nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

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David
Mike L - 21 Jul 2009 12:10 GMT
> Hello:
>
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> would you agree that "that" in "if that" refers to the
> "stare" (presumably of the stars at night)?
Yes, I feel sure of it. He's contrasting long and short ages in
various ways.
> In:
> ----
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Is gone ..."
> ?
Yes. I vaguely remember some old artists' impressions of the early
earth often featured alarming red skies.
> where (according to some commentators) it seems that the red light is
> the light emitted by some stars in eons passed, as by now, the time
> when it, the light, reaches us, the stars themselves might be gone.
> Thus even the stars are faced with their own disappearance; they
> aren't for ever.
> Also, how would you read "abroad"
> in:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> "out there in the open"
> but perhaps there are better readings, don't know.
David's right, of course.
--
Mike.
Marius Hancu - 21 Jul 2009 12:27 GMT
> > In:
> > ---
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Yes, I feel sure of it. He's contrasting long and short ages in
> various ways.
Thank you all.
Marius Hancu