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Marius Hancu - 30 Jul 2009 17:08 GMT
Hello:

Pls "vote" and comment on each of:

1. "Seeing this picture calms him."
2.  "Seeing this picture, he calms down."
3.  "(On/Upon) seeing this picture, he calms down."
4. "The seeing of this picture calms him."
5. "The sight of this picture calms him."

Thanks.
Marius Hancu
Cheryl - 30 Jul 2009 17:16 GMT
> Hello:
>
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> Thanks.
> Marius Hancu

I wouldn't use 4 at all.

The one I like best (if we are voting) is 1.

I would tend to use 3 (with "On") rather than 2, but I think 2 is also
correct, as are 1 & 5. 5 sounds slightly different from the rest, but
it's hard to put my finger on the reason. It's almost as though 'seeing'
implies looking carefully at the picture, but 'The sight' implies that
if he catches a glimpse of the picture at a distance, he will still calm
down. That doesn't make much sense, although it works in other contexts.
For example, 'The sight of him neighbour angers him' meaning that it
takes no more than a glimpse of the neighbour to remind the person of
all the problems the neighbour has caused.

Cheryl
Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 30 Jul 2009 18:09 GMT
>> Hello:
>>
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>
>I wouldn't use 4 at all.

Me neither.

>The one I like best (if we are voting) is 1.
>
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>takes no more than a glimpse of the neighbour to remind the person of
>all the problems the neighbour has caused.

I agree with your comments about "The sight".

I'm not certain what is intended by "seeing". "Looking at" would suggest
that the person spends some time concentrating on the picture to the
exclusion of everything else.

To me
  "Seeing this picture calms him"
has a meaning somewhere between
  "Looking at this picture calms him"
and
  "The sight of this picture calms him"

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Bob G - 30 Jul 2009 18:32 GMT
"This picture calms him."

Forget the seeing.
Apteryx - 30 Jul 2009 22:41 GMT
> Hello:
>
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> Thanks.
> Marius Hancu

I agree with Cheryl that 1 is "best" and 4 "worst". Also with Bob G that
 "seeing" in 1 (and "the sight of" in 5) are unnecessary. 3 sounds like
usage from a medical/scientific report, or someone affecting a similar
distance - with "upon" lending more distance than "on".

Apteryx
Marius Hancu - 31 Jul 2009 00:21 GMT
> 1. "Seeing this picture calms him."
> 2.  "Seeing this picture, he calms down."

Coming back to these two. Not perfect, but it seems acceptable to most
of you.

Now, in which of them is "seeing" more verb-like and in which is more
"noun-like/nominal?" I may have my own opinions, but I prefer to have
your input:-)

Thanks.
Marius Hancu
ke10@cam.ac.uk - 31 Jul 2009 13:01 GMT
>> 1. "Seeing this picture calms him."
>> 2.  "Seeing this picture, he calms down."
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>"noun-like/nominal?" I may have my own opinions, but I prefer to have
>your input:-)

In (1) it is the subject of the verb, and therefore very noun-like.  In (2) it
describes what he does, and is verb-like.

More important, however, is that they mean different things.  I would read (1)
as habitual, as in "aspirin gives him migraine" - whenever he does x, y
follows.  In (2) you are narrating an event (in the historic present), which
happens once.  It doesn't follow that if he sees the picture tomorrow it won't
give him the screaming heebie-jeebies.

(1) *could* also be a single event - it's hard to tell wiuthout a context -
but (2) has to be.

Katy
Marius Hancu - 31 Jul 2009 14:02 GMT
On Jul 31, 8:01 am, k...@cam.ac.uk wrote:

> >> 1. "Seeing this picture calms him."
> >> 2.  "Seeing this picture, he calms down."
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> (1) *could* also be a single event - it's hard to tell wiuthout a context -
> but (2) has to be.

Very significant stuff/angle. Glad I asked:-)

Thanks a lot.
Marius Hancu
 
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