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Marius Hancu - 31 Aug 2009 12:57 GMT
Hello:

I've got this slang word:
alum, the n. [late 19C] (US) the ideal, exactly what one desires. ..
not sure if it fits here.

Also, how about "cheesparing sods?"
Is it:
... pinching, scrimping, skimping idiots?

--
[Toomey, an author, and his secretary and lover, Geoffrey, are having
it all out, after Geoffrey overdrank and generally misbahaved at a
party. Toomey wants to fire him, but he won't leave without some
blackmail:]

"Ten thousand nicker here and now and I'll be on my merry way. Didn't
you write some fearful shitty nonsense called 'On Our Merry Way' or
was  it that bloody twerp Beverley? Never mind." He grimaced and
painfully belched. "Christ, that bloody much. Alum and cat piss.
Cheeseparing sods."

Anthony Burgess, Earthly Powers, p. 35
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CDB - 31 Aug 2009 13:18 GMT
> I've got this slang word:
> alum, the n. [late 19C] (US) the ideal, exactly what one desires. ..
> not sure if it fits here.

[He grimaced and painfully belched. "Christ, that bloody much. Alum
and cat piss.
Cheeseparing sods."]

It's the substance: "a crystalline compound consisting of a double
sulphate of aluminium and potassium, used in dyeing and tanning,"
according to the OneLook COED.

> Also, how about "cheesparing sods?"
> Is it:
> ... pinching, scrimping, skimping idiots?

I would say that the NAmerican equivalent of "sod" is closer to
"a.shole".  They are cheap a.sholes because they wouldn't give him a
decent meal.  Are you reading a scanned version of the novel?  I
wanted that "much" to be "lunch".
James Hogg - 31 Aug 2009 13:26 GMT
Quoth "CDB" <bellemarec@sympatico.ca>, and I quote:

>> I've got this slang word:
>> alum, the n. [late 19C] (US) the ideal, exactly what one desires. ..
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>decent meal.  Are you reading a scanned version of the novel?  I
>wanted that "much" to be "lunch".

Typo for "muck".

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CDB - 31 Aug 2009 21:08 GMT
> Quoth "CDB" <bellemarec@sympatico.ca>, and I quote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Typo for "muck".

Ah.  All down to the sommelier, then.
Peter Moylan - 31 Aug 2009 13:54 GMT
>> Also, how about "cheesparing sods?"
>> Is it:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> decent meal.  Are you reading a scanned version of the novel?  I
> wanted that "much" to be "lunch".

It might help to know that "sod" is a shortened form of "sodomite".

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Marius Hancu - 31 Aug 2009 14:01 GMT
> > I've got this slang word:
> > alum, the n. [late 19C] (US) the ideal, exactly what one desires. ..
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> "a.shole".  They are cheap a.sholes because they wouldn't give him a
> decent meal.

> Are you reading a scanned version of the novel?  I
> wanted that "much" to be "lunch".

No,  a printed one.
Typo, "muck."

Marius Hancu

Thank you all.
Jerry Friedman - 31 Aug 2009 15:09 GMT
> > I've got this slang word:
> > alum, the n. [late 19C] (US) the ideal, exactly what one desires. ..
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> "a.shole".  They are cheap a.sholes because they wouldn't give him a
> decent meal.
...

Though I've heard "idiot" in the meaning of "a.shole", just someone
you're angry it, here in the U. S.

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Jerry Friedman
contrex - 31 Aug 2009 13:21 GMT
> I've got this slang word:
> alum, the n. [late 19C] (US) the ideal, exactly what one desires. ..
> not sure if it fits here.

Alum is a salt that in chemistry is a combination of an alkali metal,
such as sodium, potassium, or ammonium and a trivalent metal, such as
aluminum, iron, or chromium. The most common form, potassium aluminum
sulfate, or potash alum, is one form that has been used in food
processing. Another, sodium aluminum sulfate, is an ingredient in
commercially produced baking powder. It has a metallic taste. "Cat's
piss" is a phrase sometimes used to pejoratively refer to cheap wine.
"Alum and cat's piss" is intended, I think to convey the idea of the
unpalatable food and drink at the party (which would lead to grimacing
and painful belching).

> Also, how about "cheesparing sods?"
> Is it:
> ... pinching, scrimping, skimping idiots?

Yes, that sounds about right.
Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 31 Aug 2009 13:38 GMT
>Hello:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Is it:
>... pinching, scrimping, skimping idiots?

You are right about the "pinching, scrimping, skimping".
"Sod" is derived from "sodomite" but now has the meanings outlined at:
http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/s.htm

   sod
   Noun.

   1. A contemptible or objectionable person.

   2. A pitiable person. E.g."He's just had his car stolen and his wife
      has just run off with the milkman, the poor sod." This use is
      also be found with the expressions 'poor bastard' and 'poor
      bugger'.

   3. A thing or action that is difficult or problematic. E.g. "We had
      a sod of a journey, getting stuck in a traffic jam at Birmingham
      for over 3 hours."

I think that sense 1 fits Burgess's use in "cheeseparing sods".

(Your typo "cheesparing" is a cheeseparing spelling of the word.)

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Donna Richoux - 31 Aug 2009 15:59 GMT
> He grimaced and
> painfully belched. "Christ, that bloody much [muck]. Alum and cat piss.
> Cheeseparing sods."
>
> Anthony Burgess, Earthly Powers, p. 35

Wikipedia has a long article on the alum chemicals. Some bits that might
apply, depending on what the speaker was doing (eating? drinking?)

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Alum is commonly used as a coagulant (usually termed a flocculant in
this context) in water treatment and purification. ...

Culinary
Alum powder, found in the spice section of many grocery stores, may be
used in pickling recipes as a preservative to maintain fruit and
vegetable crispness.
Alum is used as the acidic component of some commercial baking powders.
Alum was used by bakers in the England during the 1800s to make bread
whiter[6]. ...

...Much use was made of the supposed properties of Alum as a comedy gag
in films, primarily in the 1920's and 1930's. In a typical situation it
would be introduced into foodstuffs (by accident or intent) with
ingestion causing the victim's mouth to assume a tight pucker. Speech
was usually difficult or impossible.
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Don Phillipson - 31 Aug 2009 16:19 GMT
> I've got this slang word:
> alum, the n. [late 19C] (US) the ideal, exactly what one desires. ..
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Anthony Burgess, Earthly Powers, p. 35

In this speech, alum seems to have its dictionary meaning
(i.e. is not slang for something else.)  Geoffrey complains
that the drink at the party tasted of (or like) alum and cat piss,
because the hosts were too cheap (cheeseparing) to serve
good quality drinks.   (This seems a frequent complaint of some
drunks.  Knowing they drank too much, they seek to excuse
themselves by saying they did not enjoy it.)

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Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

Steve Hayes - 31 Aug 2009 18:14 GMT
>Hello:
>
>I've got this slang word:
>alum, the n. [late 19C] (US) the ideal, exactly what one desires. ..
>not sure if it fits here.

More likely a chemical used in water purification to settle suspended solids.

>Also, how about "cheesparing sods?"
>Is it:
>... pinching, scrimping, skimping idiots?

Yup. Mean bastards.

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