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Marius Hancu - 27 Sep 2009 14:58 GMT

Hello:

What do these fashion terms mean?

"dart-fitted front"
"fronts are faced and rolled"
"revers"

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Jacket is dart-fitted front; and back paneled. Fronts are faced and
rolled with collar to form revers.

http://tinyurl.com/yaqd8y5
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Thanks.
Marius Hancu

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Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 27 Sep 2009 15:14 GMT

>Hello:
>
>What do these fashion terms mean?
>
>"dart-fitted front"

A "dart" is a "tapered tuck used in dressmaking". It is used to make the
garment fit the shape of the wearer.
See:
http://thesewingdivas.wordpress.com/2009/06/

That shows dresses with vertical-ish darts, tucks, in them which narrow
the dress between bust and hips. Without the darts the dresses would be
cylindrical.

>"fronts are faced and rolled"

OED:

face,v.

7. a. trans. To cover a breadth or part of (a garment, etc.) with
another material; to provide with a facing or facings; to trim, turn
up.

>"revers"

"Revers" is the French for "reverse".

OED:

A part of a coat, vest, bodice, etc., of which the edge is turned
back so as to exhibit the under surface; the material covering this
reversed edge. (Most commonly used as a pl.

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>Jacket is dart-fitted front; and back paneled. Fronts are faced and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Thanks.
>Marius Hancu

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Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

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Don Phillipson - 27 Sep 2009 17:34 GMT

> Jacket is dart-fitted front; and back paneled. Fronts are faced and
> rolled with collar to form revers.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yaqd8y5

Darts are triangular pieces of fabric and panels are
oblong: the coat thus fits the body closely. Revers
is the tailor's term for lapels on a jacket: "faced"
usually means lined with a fabric stiffer than the
fabric you can see. Thus a tailored jacket holds
its shape when not being worn.

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Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

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Cece - 28 Sep 2009 17:11 GMT

> > Jacket is dart-fitted front; and back paneled. Fronts are faced and
> > rolled with collar to form revers.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Carlsbad Springs
> (Ottawa, Canada)

As a master seamstress, journeyman dressmaker, and apprentice tailor,
I say that this description fits a modern suit jacket, either men's
Continental style (not Brooks Brothers) or women's business wear.
"Revers" is the old way of describing what is now called a jacket
lapel.

Darts are tucks that are stitched closed the whole length, pointed at
one end (or, depending, both). Facing is another piece of fabric
stitched to the raw edge of the garment piece and turned to the wrong
side on that stitching line. Plain necklines and sleeveless dresses
have facing at the neck and the armholes; collars have the collar and
its facing. Waistbands may, but if they aren't shaped (in a curve),
they are generally one piece of fabric folded so they are really wide
bindings. Facings are usually cut from the same material. For
stiffness (more or less), primarily to keep the piece lying correctly,
one may include interfacing between the garment piece and its facing;
interfacing is a different type of fabric.

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Marius Hancu - 28 Sep 2009 17:51 GMT

> > > Jacket is dart-fitted front; and back paneled. Fronts are faced and
> > > rolled with collar to form revers.
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> one may include interfacing between the garment piece and its facing;
> interfacing is a different type of fabric.

Thank you all.
Marius Hancu

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Marius Hancu - 28 Sep 2009 18:03 GMT

Could you comment on "fronts" and "back paneled"?
What do they mean in the context?

Thanks.
Marius Hancu

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Glenn Knickerbocker - 28 Sep 2009 23:48 GMT

> Could you comment on "fronts" and "back paneled"?

"Fronts" are the two front pieces of the jacket (the one with the
buttons, and the one with the buttonholes). The back is made with one
or more panels separate from the main body. You know how hard it is to
find illustrations of the backs of garments? I came up with just one
example:

http://milwaukeeleatheroutlet.com/images/711-Back-REV.jpg

¬R

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Marius Hancu - 29 Sep 2009 14:21 GMT

> > Could you comment on "fronts" and "back paneled"?
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> http://milwaukeeleatheroutlet.com/images/711-Back-REV.jpg

Thanks.
Marius Hancu

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Glenn Knickerbocker - 29 Sep 2009 23:02 GMT

I wrote:

> buttons, and the one with the buttonholes). The back is made with one
> or more panels separate from the main body.

I should have stuck with my first thought: The back may also be
constructed of two or more vertical panels, without any main piece
separate from them. I finally found this example:

http://ny-image2.etsy.com/il_430xN.70799826.jpg
http://www.discoverportlandshopping.com/2009/05/21/new-hunt-gather/

I'm pretty sure the top piece here would *not* be called a panel; it's a
yoke. The jackets described in your example are probably paneled like
this but without the yoke--the collar attached directly to the panels.

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Cece - 30 Sep 2009 19:40 GMT

> I wrote:
> > buttons, and the one with the buttonholes). The back is made with one
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> ¬R

Ah. Yes, the back of a jacket is generally two or three vertical
pieces -- two joined by a seam in the middle if there is to be one
"vent"; three joined by seams if there are to be two "vents." No
darts for shaping as the shaping can be done by shaping the edge that
will be seamed. I've just never heard the word "panel" used for it
before.

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