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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2010Pub pies
Does a hamburger wrapped in thin pastry have a more specific name than "pub pie"? Am I right in thinking it is a pub pie, at all?  SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE > Does a hamburger wrapped in thin pastry have a more specific name than > "pub pie"? Am I right in thinking it is a pub pie, at all? Never heard the term in Great Britain, maybe it's an Irish thing... DC -- >> Does a hamburger wrapped in thin pastry have a more specific name than >> "pub pie"? Am I right in thinking it is a pub pie, at all? > > Never heard the term in Great Britain, maybe it's an Irish thing... ditto. Totally unknown to me (BrE) >>> Does a hamburger wrapped in thin pastry have a more specific name than >>> "pub pie"? Am I right in thinking it is a pub pie, at all? >> >> Never heard the term in Great Britain, maybe it's an Irish thing... > >ditto. Totally unknown to me (BrE) Double ditto. I googled and found this which does not match Chuck's description: http://www.pensacolafoodcritic.com/2008/02/pub-pie-at-ozone-pizza.asp Pub Pie at O'Zone Pizza O’Zone quickly became one of my favorite places upon my first visit back in 2004. While I'm a fan of most of their menu, the Pub Pie has become a common order. The Pub Pie has Italian sausage, green peppers, onions, black olives, mushrooms, and feta cheese. The toppings go on O'Zone's three cheese blend and sauce. O'Zone uses thin crust for its pizzas which tends to be somewhat crispy. The combination of all of the ingredients work together to make one delicious pizza. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) BrE filted: >>>> Does a hamburger wrapped in thin pastry have a more specific name than >>>> "pub pie"? Am I right in thinking it is a pub pie, at all? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > which tends to be somewhat crispy. The combination of all of the > ingredients work together to make one delicious pizza. What Chuck describes appears to be a sort of empanada....r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? > What Chuck describes appears to be a sort of empanada....r And almost a Jamaican patty. SignatureSML > > What Chuck describes appears to be a sort of empanada....r > > And almost a Jamaican patty. Mmm... Jamaica Patties as sold in London are more like a spicy Cornish Pastie, with spiced minced meat in a covering of yellow pastry - not sure what's in the pastry but there's certainly lemon zest. Damn good. I could do with something hot now; I'm just back from the match and frozen. Nil-nil and then game abandonned in the 86th minute due to failing floodlights, and the crowd stumbling out in the dark... DC -- > > > What Chuck describes appears to be a sort of empanada....r > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Pastie, with spiced minced meat in a covering of yellow pastry - not > sure what's in the pastry but there's certainly lemon zest. Damn good. I've never had a Cornish Pastie (and now I'm wondering why not). I agree with your description of the pattie except for the lemon zest, which I don't remember being there -- but it might have been and I'm forgetting about it. It's been a very long time since I had one. SignatureSML > I've never had a Cornish Pastie (and now I'm wondering why not). I agree In Britain, we spell it "pasty" (plural "pasties"). I always thought a pastie was something a burlesque dancer stuck over each nipple to conform with decency regulations. >> I've never had a Cornish Pastie (and now I'm wondering why not). I >> agree > > In Britain, we spell it "pasty" (plural "pasties"). I always thought > a pastie was something a burlesque dancer stuck over each nipple to > conform with decency regulations. The OED wisely points out that the word "pastie" is "Usu. in pl." There's an interesting quotation from E. Leonard, Bandits: "The exotic Darla naked except for a silver G-string and pink pasties centered on tired, impersonal breasts." SignatureJames > > > > What Chuck describes appears to be a sort of empanada....r > > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I've never had a Cornish Pastie (and now I'm wondering why not). The ones you often find sold in the UK and filled with unidentifiable and unpalatable vaguely savory mush provide a lot of good reasons why not, but the genuine article (as made in Cornwall) can be a real treat. >I > agree with your description of the pattie except for the lemon zest, > which I don't remember being there -- but it might have been and I'm > forgetting about it. It's been a very long time since I had one. I had one in London about a month ago (I'd guess they're a metropolitan thing both sides of the pond). It was my first in probably several decades, and I'd forgotten how nice they can be. Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaican_patty suggests the colour of the pastry is from egg yolk or turmeric, though I more or less decided I'd couldn't taste turmeric in the one I had - it has a distinctive 'earthy' flavour which I don't especially like - and that I could taste lemon zest. Maybe it's the Curry Goat... ObAUE, I thought they were sold in London as 'Jamaica' Patties rather than 'Jamaican' Patties, but Google doesn't especially bear this out. Anyway, if you ever visit the Olympia exhibition centre, the little newsagents by the Tube station does a darn good one... DC -- >> > > > What Chuck describes appears to be a sort of empanada....r >> > > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >DC I spoke with the head chef a minute ago, thinking he probably prepared the empanada-like dish we were served yesterday. It turns out the cooking was done, not by an Irish person at all, but by the Chinese man who works in the kitchen. Since his English is not good, I may never learn the Chinese name of the dish or whether it has been translated to English. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE > I spoke with the head chef a minute ago, thinking he probably prepared > the empanada-like dish we were served yesterday. It turns out the > cooking was done, not by an Irish person at all, but by the Chinese > man who works in the kitchen. Since his English is not good, I may > never learn the Chinese name of the dish or whether it has been > translated to English. That sounds like a project. Teach the Chinese man some English, and get recipes from him in return. SignatureDavid >> I spoke with the head chef a minute ago, thinking he probably prepared >> the empanada-like dish we were served yesterday. It turns out the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >That sounds like a project. Teach the Chinese man some English, and get >recipes from him in return. Good idea. Then I could post the recipes that sound especially interesting, to AUE. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE >>> I spoke with the head chef a minute ago, thinking he probably prepared >>> the empanada-like dish we were served yesterday. It turns out the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Good idea. Then I could post the recipes that sound especially > interesting, to AUE. Indeed, that was my hope. SignatureDavid ... >I spoke with the head chef a minute ago, thinking he probably prepared >the empanada-like dish we were served yesterday. It turns out the >cooking was done, not by an Irish person at all, but by the Chinese >man who works in the kitchen. Since his English is not good, I may >never learn the Chinese name of the dish or whether it has been >translated to English. That's interesting because a fried dim sim is essentially a rissole covered in batter or pastry. Your initial description made me think of that. SignatureRichard Bollard Canberra Australia To email, I'm at AMT not spAMT. > ObAUE, I thought they were sold in London as 'Jamaica' Patties rather > than 'Jamaican' Patties, but Google doesn't especially bear this out. > Anyway, if you ever visit the Olympia exhibition centre, the little > newsagents by the Tube station does a darn good one... I often use that Tube station, but I don't recall the newsagent's. Is it on the right as you come out? SignatureDavid > > ObAUE, I thought they were sold in London as 'Jamaica' Patties > > rather than 'Jamaican' Patties, but Google doesn't especially bear [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I often use that Tube station, but I don't recall the newsagent's. > Is it on the right as you come out? On your left, I think, very close to the Olympia station exit. A very small place, but definitely a walk-in shop rather than a kiosk. DC -- > I had one in London about a month ago (I'd guess they're a metropolitan > thing both sides of the pond). It was my first in probably several [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > 'earthy' flavour which I don't especially like - and that I could taste > lemon zest. Maybe it's the Curry Goat... I used to eat them for lunch when I lived in Jamaica, where they're just known as patties. I thought they were delicious, but I did get a bit of broken glass in one once, and there were always rumors of cockroaches... It could be that ones that are more upscale than school lunches have tumeric or lemon, or it could just be that my 14-year-old palate didn't know what it was experiencing. > ObAUE, I thought they were sold in London as 'Jamaica' Patties rather > than 'Jamaican' Patties, but Google doesn't especially bear this out. > Anyway, if you ever visit the Olympia exhibition centre, the little > newsagents by the Tube station does a darn good one... Noted. Chances are slim that I'll make it there any time soon, unfortunately. My kids have a three-hour flight limit for now, and they're too young for me to leave them behind. SignatureSML >> I had one in London about a month ago (I'd guess they're a metropolitan >> thing both sides of the pond). It was my first in probably several [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > tumeric or lemon, or it could just be that my 14-year-old palate didn't > know what it was experiencing. You know, you've mentioned your Jamaican background fairly frequently, but for some reason, I always thought you meant Jamaica, New York. SignatureRob Bannister >>> I had one in London about a month ago (I'd guess they're a metropolitan >>> thing both sides of the pond). It was my first in probably several [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >You know, you've mentioned your Jamaican background fairly frequently, >but for some reason, I always thought you meant Jamaica, New York. Wasn't Areff from the Jamaica in New York? SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>> I used to eat them for lunch when I lived in Jamaica, where they're >>> just known as patties. I thought they were delicious, but I did get [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Wasn't Areff from the Jamaica in New York? I think that was RJV. Has anybody heard from him recently? SignatureRegards John for mail: my initials plus a u e at tpg dot com dot au >>You know, you've mentioned your Jamaican background fairly frequently, >>but for some reason, I always thought you meant Jamaica, New York. > >Wasn't Areff from the Jamaica in New York? I once walked round Jamaica Pond in Brookline, Massachusetts. Is that pondian or what? SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk > You know, you've mentioned your Jamaican background fairly frequently, > but for some reason, I always thought you meant Jamaica, New York. I've lived in Kingston, Jamaica, and also not too far from Jamaica, Queens, in NYC, so your confusion is understandable. SignatureSML >> You know, you've mentioned your Jamaican background fairly frequently, >> but for some reason, I always thought you meant Jamaica, New York. > >I've lived in Kingston, Jamaica, and also not too far from Jamaica, >Queens, in NYC, so your confusion is understandable. I have driven past but not visited: http://www.jamaicainn.co.uk/ SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) > >> You know, you've mentioned your Jamaican background fairly > frequently, >> but for some reason, I always thought you meant [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I have driven past but not visited: > http://www.jamaicainn.co.uk/ You've not missed much. -- >> You know, you've mentioned your Jamaican background fairly frequently, >> but for some reason, I always thought you meant Jamaica, New York. > > I've lived in Kingston, Jamaica, and also not too far from Jamaica, > Queens, in NYC, so your confusion is understandable. I think it's just that I don't always hear the steel bands and calypso rhythms when you write. SignatureRob Bannister > I think it's just that I don't always hear the steel bands and calypso > rhythms when you write. Stupid useless text-only medium! SignatureSML >> I think it's just that I don't always hear the steel bands and calypso >> rhythms when you write. > > Stupid useless text-only medium! At least you could tell us whether the knights really are gay. SignaturePeter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org For an e-mail address, see my web page. >>> > > What Chuck describes appears to be a sort of empanada....r >>> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > and unpalatable vaguely savory mush provide a lot of good reasons why > not, but the genuine article (as made in Cornwall) can be a real treat. Tiggy oggys, beware of small steamed tortoises. > Tiggy oggys, beware of small steamed tortoises. Tiddy oggies surely? contrex wrote, in <afc135ff-22e0-4204-8d70-8e9a89186121@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> on Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:22:50 -0800 (PST): > > Tiggy oggys, beware of small steamed tortoises. > > Tiddy oggies surely? Indeed. SignatureNick Spalding BrE/IrE > contrex wrote, in > <afc135ff-22e0-4204-8d70-8e9a89186121@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Indeed. I bow to the majority on this, it has been over sixty years since my tree planting days on Dartmoor and my landladies pasties. > > contrex wrote, in > > <afc135ff-22e0-4204-8d70-8e9a89186...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > over sixty years since my tree planting days > on Dartmoor and my landladies pasties. There is a pasty shop in Exeter called "Tiggy Oggy's" so I think you need bow no longer. I apologise for not checking before horning in. |
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