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John Dean - 29 Dec 2009 23:18 GMT
An article from 1934 reprinted in the Guardian may be of interest

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2009/dec/29/bbc-radio-speech-pronunciation

http://tinyurl.com/ycunpfx

The subject is the effect of broadcasting on pronunciation:

"It would, of course, be flying in the face of history to suggest that
pronunciations should be changeless and sacrosanct: if they were, we should
still be saying "laylock" for "lilac", "tay" for "tea", or "goolden" for
"golden". The language moves, and it is rash, and ultimately ignorant, to
resist its changes."
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Irwell - 30 Dec 2009 02:41 GMT
>  An article from 1934 reprinted in the Guardian may be of interest
>
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> "golden". The language moves, and it is rash, and ultimately ignorant, to
> resist its changes."

We listen and watch the BBC World news each day, no Alvar Liddell's
there I'm sorry to say, more like the old spiv and barrow boy chatter.
Don Phillipson - 30 Dec 2009 14:27 GMT
> >  An article from 1934 reprinted in the Guardian may be of interest

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2009/dec/29/bbc-radio-speech-pronunciation

> > http://tinyurl.com/ycunpfx
> >
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> We listen and watch the BBC World news each day, no Alvar Liddell's
> there I'm sorry to say, more like the old spiv and barrow boy chatter.

The point is that, from at least the 1930s the BBC enforced
uniform pronunciation by all staff broadcasters (advised by
a special linguistic committee of accepted experts including
G.B. Shaw.)   Its standard pronunciation was mostly middle-
class Londoners' English.  This speech was also taught
by professional elocutionists in drama schools (because actors
were unemployable if they could speak only in a Welsh or
Yorkshire accent), privately (to those who wanted to "better
themselves") and by many ordinary school teachers (who
wanted their pupils to better themselves.)

Formal teaching of speech was then normal throughout
the English-speaking world, cf. the "radio schools" of the
USA, ostensibly to train people as broadcasters.   In Britain,
BBC English sought for more than 30 years to suppress
both regional accents and the accents of both upper and
lower social class.  This policy was abandoned in the 1960s
(cf. also competition from ship-based "pirate" broadcasters
and the consequent reoorganization of the BBC), when it
started accepting regional and class accents and no
longer prescribed middle-class London English for all
purposes.

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Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

John Holmes - 02 Jan 2010 11:18 GMT
>>  An article from 1934 reprinted in the Guardian may be of interest
>>
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> We listen and watch the BBC World news each day, no Alvar Liddell's
> there I'm sorry to say, more like the old spiv and barrow boy chatter.

I just heard on ABC radio a news report that I think came from a BBC
reporter. It was about the mudslide on a resort island in South America.
She said, "The area can only be reached by Bert."

I hope he gets there quickly. Perhaps one day he'll write a berk about
it.

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John Dean - 02 Jan 2010 16:05 GMT
>>>  An article from 1934 reprinted in the Guardian may be of interest
>>>
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> I hope he gets there quickly. Perhaps one day he'll write a berk about
> it.

As long as he doesn't encounter a berm.
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tony cooper - 02 Jan 2010 17:27 GMT
>>>  An article from 1934 reprinted in the Guardian may be of interest
>>>
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>I hope he gets there quickly. Perhaps one day he'll write a berk about
>it.

Listening to a BBC reporter on NPR I heard "The attacks were tits for
tat..." and then she went on to describe the attacks that the tits
were in retaliation for.

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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

John Dean - 02 Jan 2010 23:27 GMT
>>>>  An article from 1934 reprinted in the Guardian may be of interest
>>>>
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> tat..." and then she went on to describe the attacks that the tits
> were in retaliation for.

cf the tit for two tats strategy:

http://www.iterated-prisoners-dilemma.net/prisoners-dilemma-strategies.shtml

http://tinyurl.com/yc85dvk

Then there are the costumes habitually worn by Katie Price ...
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franzi - 02 Jan 2010 23:47 GMT
> > Listening to a BBC reporter on NPR I heard "The attacks were tits for
> > tat..." and then she went on to describe the attacks that the tits
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>
> Then there are the costumes habitually worn by Katie Price ...

Tat for tits!  Palpably excellent, sir.
--
franzi
tony cooper - 03 Jan 2010 02:28 GMT
>> > Listening to a BBC reporter on NPR I heard "The attacks were tits for
>> > tat..." and then she went on to describe the attacks that the tits
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>Tat for tits!  Palpably excellent, sir.

My image was someone offering a woman her choice of items at boot sale
if she'd flash 'em.

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