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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2010The same procedure as every year
This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not in the UK where it originated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1v4BYV-YvA Happy New Year  SignatureJames >This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not in >the UK where it originated: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1v4BYV-YvA > >Happy New Year I don't know how I'd missed this up to now. Thank you! SignatureKaty Jennison spamtrap: remove the first two letters after the @ >This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not in >the UK where it originated: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1v4BYV-YvA Thanks. I've not seen that before. >Happy New Year And to you. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >>This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not in >>the UK where it originated: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >And to you. And to you all. SignatureRobin (BrE) Herts, England >>>This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not in >>>the UK where it originated: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >And to you all. I wish the same, to 99.5 per cent of you, anyway. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE Robin Bignall wrote: >>> Happy New Year >> >> And to you. > > And to you all. May this coming year be one you'll always remember fondly. SignatureMaria Conlon >>>> Happy New Year >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > May this coming year be one you'll always remember fondly. Indeed, as some of us approach very, very late middle age, let's hope we remember it at all - in fact, remember anything. SignatureRob Bannister >>>>> Happy New Year >>>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Indeed, as some of us approach very, very late middle age, let's hope we > remember it at all - in fact, remember anything. Remember what? SignatureRoland Hutchinson He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba," ... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy. --Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ ) > This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not in > the UK where it originated: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > James I remember reading about this sketch several years ago in a newspaper report about how it was shown every year all over Europe and indeed as far away as Australia/NZ. When I read about the scenario- butler drinking for imaginary guests (which was not accompanied by any photos or cast list) I immediately thought to myself "that's that old Freddie Frinton thing". But the article said that it had never been shown in the UK, so how did I know that? I tracked it down on the internet and the opinion that it had never been shown in the UK was reiterated in several places. I then tracked down the skit on Youtube and as soon as the scene opened to just the table and tigerskin I thought yes I have seen this before-he keeps tripping over the rug and gets plastered. So it MUST have been shown somewhere in the UK (I am guessing 60s when my local area ITV frachises were run by ATV Redifusion and then GranadaTV and the BBC was the Leeds BBC North). No one I have asked has ever heard of this. Has anyone else any recollection of this? Please tell me I am not hallucinating. >> This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not in >> the UK where it originated: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > No one I have asked has ever heard of this. Has anyone else any > recollection of this? Please tell me I am not hallucinating. Have you read this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinner_for_One SignatureJames >>> This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but >>> not in the UK where it originated: >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1v4BYV-YvA >>> >>> Happy New Year Happy Hoggmanay and all the best for the new one. >> I remember reading about this sketch several years ago in a newspaper >> report about how it was shown every year all over Europe and indeed >> as far away as Australia/NZ. [snip] > Have you read this? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinner_for_One I can certainly attest that it is well-known in Australia. We were talking about it at dinner last night. SignatureRegards John for mail: my initials plus a u e at tpg dot com dot au >> This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not in >> the UK where it originated: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > No one I have asked has ever heard of this. Has anyone else any > recollection of this? Please tell me I am not hallucinating. You are not hallucinating (or we both are). I saw what may have been the first showing on TV in the UK. The 60s would have been about right. I always thought it was called "Same procedure as last year". SignatureLes (BrE) > >> This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not in > >> the UK where it originated: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Thanks for the confirmation Les, at least I can sleep easily tonight* safe in the knowledge that I am not suffering from senile dementia. *Although I think that this bottle of 10 year old port that my granson bought me for Xmas will ensure an untroubled slumber. >> >> This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not >> >> in the UK where it originated: >> >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1v4BYV-YvA >> [...] >> > So it MUST have been shown somewhere in the UK (I >> > am guessing 60s when my local area ITV frachises were run by ATV [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Thanks for the confirmation Les, at least I can sleep easily tonight* > safe in the knowledge that I am not suffering from senile dementia. I had a quick Google (and a shufty at the link James gave) and discovered that several people have repeated the allegation that the sketch has never been shown on TV in the UK. Probably one person wrote that and all the others copied it. During the 60s the Internet had not yet developed into the vast intellectual dustbin it has since become, so further research is likely to be fruitless. Also, today's media (and most other things) seem to be run by school leavers who believe that the Big Bang took place around 1985. I'm sure someone here will produce a citation from Socrates complaining about the same phenomenon in Ancient Greece. > *Although I think that this bottle of 10 year old port that my granson > bought me for Xmas will ensure an untroubled slumber. Pleasant dreams! (of "Dinner for one"?) SignatureLes (BrE) >>> This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not in >>> the UK where it originated: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > first showing on TV in the UK. The 60s would have been about right. I > always thought it was called "Same procedure as last year". I think I saw it in England too about that time. I couldn't say which channel. SignatureRob Bannister > This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not > in the UK where it originated: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1v4BYV-YvA > > Happy New Year Great! Now for some great music : Samba Triste -- Eliane Elias Trio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNfAofMmygI&NR=1 SignatureSkitt (AmE) > > This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not > > in the UK where it originated: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > Skitt (AmE) I really enjoyed listening to that. I rarely listen to jazz probably because of the free/modern abominations (IMHO) served up on Radio 3. I jumped from Zep/Floyd to Mahler/Bruckner. Not so much Samba Triste as from (joke warning)Samba Pa Ti (Santana) to Tristan und Isolde (Waggers). Crikey I think the port is starting to kick in. >>> This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not >>> in the UK where it originated: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Crikey I think the port is starting to kick in. I grew up with classical music and operas, but jazz took over once I came to the USA. As for Eliane, she's a great pianist from Brazil -- a former prodigy. She also does some singing. I have been to one of her concerts (at Yoshi's in Oakland). I have heard my share of rock and roll and Top 40 stuff, but I have never bought a record of those genres. SignatureSkitt (in SF Bay Area) http://home.comcast.net/~skitt99/main.html >>>> This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not >>>> in the UK where it originated: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >I have heard my share of rock and roll and Top 40 stuff, but I have never >bought a record of those genres. I listened to Bruckner's marvelous fourth symphony this morning, a welcome relief from last night's New Year's Hootenanny on TV, as the musical variety show was incorrectly named. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE >>>>> This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not >>>>> in the UK where it originated: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > welcome relief from last night's New Year's Hootenanny on TV, as the > musical variety show was incorrectly named. I bashed through the Mendelssohn octet with 14 players (doubling up all but the cello parts) as the finale to a chamber-music/dinner party at a colleague's house. This was after stuffing myself silly on Coptic-style fish and vegetarian dishes brought by the entire family to a (mature) student of mine's house. I learned that it was Coptic tradition not to eat meat dishes between Christmas and Epiphany. Oh, and I had had plenty of sleep for once, since my New Year's Eve gig ended at 9 PM. There are definitely worse ways to spend New Year's day. SignatureRoland Hutchinson He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba," ... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy. --Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ ) > This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not > in the UK where it originated: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1v4BYV-YvA > > Happy New Year I didn't realise it was so widespread. I knew about it on Norddeutscher Rundfunk from German friends. I managed to obtain a copy some years ago. I even have a colourised version. Another funny I learned of from time in Germany was Loriot. SignatureRay UK > Another funny I learned of from time in Germany was Loriot. Really? You liked him? I always wondered how his humor would be perceived by foreigners. But I guess it clicks after you've lived with actual Germans for a while. ;) /W SignatureINVALID? DE! > > Another funny I learned of from time in Germany was Loriot. > > Really? You liked him? I always wondered how his humor would be > perceived by foreigners. But I guess it clicks after you've lived with > actual Germans for a while. ;) Well, this one certainly "clicked" with this Englishman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHaW-KxA0sg -- WH >>> Another funny I learned of from time in Germany was Loriot. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Well, this one certainly "clicked" with this Englishman: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHaW-KxA0sg Haha. That was my introduction to him. SignatureRay UK > > > Another funny I learned of from time in Germany was Loriot. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Well, this one certainly "clicked" with this Englishman: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHaW-KxA0sg I see how it would. :) But me thinks there should be two more (shorter) segments, leading to her utter breakdown. I distinctly remember her starting out, messing up the within the first few words and hitting the table with her fist. Oh well. And while I'm at it: You have to give it to Evelyn Hamann. She is nothing short of perfect in this. OK, moving on. /W SignatureINVALID? DE! >>> Another funny I learned of from time in Germany was Loriot. >> Really? You liked him? I always wondered how his humor would be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Well, this one certainly "clicked" with this Englishman: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHaW-KxA0sg Thanks for that. My first belly laugh of the year (however the year's pronounced or decaded). SignatureRob Bannister >> This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not >> in the UK where it originated: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I didn't realise it was so widespread. I knew about it on > Norddeutscher Rundfunk from German friends. This is a different recording than the one shown in Germany. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jMISv4SyaY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw1-AaKYoXw SignatureInnovative Startup Portale budgetgerecht relaunchen http://www.wschwanke.de/ http://www.fotos-aus-der-luft.de/ usenet_20031215 (AT) wschwanke (DOT) de > This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not in > the UK where it originated: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1v4BYV-YvA > > Happy New Year My seven-year-old son, determined to stay up until midnight, was highly amused. SignatureSML > This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not in > the UK where it originated: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > James After all this time I have finally found this link http://everything2.com/title/Dinner+for+One whichgives an unsourced BBC opinion that they might have broadcast an 11 minute Swiss edit of the 18 minute German version in 1963. >> This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not in >> the UK where it originated: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > BBC opinion that they might have broadcast an 11 minute Swiss edit of > the 18 minute German version in 1963. Give that poster a coconut! In 1963 I was living in Greater London and within reach of a television receiver, so that would fit. For those who don't want to visit Redshade's link or read all of it, here is the final paragraph: [quote] Apparently the Germans find it inexplicable that the British don't find Dinner for One as hilarious as they do. A professor of culture at Bremen University named Rainer Stollmann was of the opinion that its broadcast might upset Britain's delicate class system, since Dinner for One has "dangerously revolutionary undertones". A remark which, it has to be said, is funnier than anything that appears in Dinner for One since, although Wylie might have written the sketch in 1948, it wasn't an original concept, more his version of a basic idea that had been doing the rounds of the Musical Halls since the 1920s. The drunken butler and the dotty old aristocrat living in the past being stock comic characters dating back decades if not centuries. It was therefore pretty old hat when it premiered in 1948 and very much past it when Freddie Frinton began peforming the sketch. Indeed by the time that NDR was putting Dinner for One on German television, British Comedy had already progressed through ITMA and the Goons and had recently invented satire with That Was The Week That Was. The British therefore find it inexplicable that the Germans are so keen on such an outdated piece of old Music Hall comedy, and believe that this says more about the Germans (as in sense of humour, lack of) than it does about them. [endquote] SignatureLes (BrE) >>> This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not in >>> the UK where it originated: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > (as in sense of humour, lack of) than it does about them. > [endquote] So what does it say about the Australians and South Africans? SignatureJames >>>> This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but not >>>> in the UK where it originated: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> Apparently the Germans find it inexplicable that the British don't find >> Dinner for One as hilarious as they do. [snip middle part of quotation] >> The British therefore find it >> inexplicable that the Germans are so keen on such an outdated piece of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > So what does it say about the Australians and South Africans? Maybe I missed something, but my impression is that although it has been shown in Australia and South Africa, it doesn't have the cult status it has acquired in German-speaking countries. I'm sure the Australian and South African posters to AUE will provide us with the low-down. I found it funny the first time I saw it, but I wouldn't voluntarily watch it again. OTOH, the existence of YouTube has resulted in this Barker and Corbett sketch (which even covers aspects of English usage) being etched in my memory as a result of repeated viewing: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz2-ukrd2VQ> SignatureLes (BrE) >>> For those who don't want to visit Redshade's link or read all of it, >>> here is the final paragraph: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Australian and South African posters to AUE will provide us with the > low-down. The channel that shows it every year in Australia is SBS, the one that shows lots of foreign-language films. So they quite possibly got the idea from Europe. I'm not sure exactly how long they have been doing it -- probably 5-6 years at least. It has become a regular New Year's event for the minority who watch SBS, but calling that cult status might be a bit of an overstatement. On the other hand, I'm fairly sure I can remember seeing it many years ago before SBS existed, so it might have been first shown on the ABC about the time it appeared on the BBC. As for its appeal, although the setting is antique, that gives it a sort of absurdist edge. The basic comic techniques are fairly timeless. I'm sure I've seen the repeated-tripping-over-something idea used in recent sitcoms, for example. SignatureRegards John for mail: my initials plus a u e at tpg dot com dot au >>>>> This sketch is essential New Year viewing in many countries, but >>>>> not in the UK where it originated: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Australian and South African posters to AUE will provide us with the > low-down. I'm a 50 year old NZ born Aussie and I'd never seen it before. I do watch SBS but not, apparently, on New Year's Eve. I persevered through the loooong YouTube clip but it wouldn't have held my interest for the entire segment if I'd seen it on TV. The gentleman is very good at what he's doing but it's not very funny past the first circuit around the table. > I found it funny the first time I saw it, but I wouldn't voluntarily > watch it again. OTOH, the existence of YouTube has resulted in this > Barker and Corbett sketch (which even covers aspects of English > usage) being etched in my memory as a result of repeated viewing: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz2-ukrd2VQ Good times. RIP Ronnie Barker. >> Maybe I missed something, but my impression is that although it has >> been shown in Australia and South Africa, it doesn't have the cult [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > entire segment if I'd seen it on TV. The gentleman is very good at what > he's doing but it's not very funny past the first circuit around the table. AOL, on everything except the age. Oh yes, I wasn't born in NZ either. SignaturePeter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org For an e-mail address, see my web page. >>> Maybe I missed something, but my impression is that although it has >>> been shown in Australia and South Africa, it doesn't have the cult [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >AOL, on everything except the age. Oh yes, I wasn't born in NZ either. I saw it once a few years ago. It was given a recommendation by the TV guide. It gets a recommendation most years but I have no desire to see it again. It was okay once. My AOL includes the age! SignatureRichard Bollard Canberra Australia To email, I'm at AMT not spAMT. > The British therefore find it inexplicable that the Germans are so > keen on such an outdated piece of old Music Hall comedy, and believe > that this says more about the Germans (as in sense of humour, lack > of) than it does about them. Grrrrr! We do have humor. Behold: Die ist ein Kinnerhunder und zwei Mackel uber und der bitte schon ist den Wunderhaus sprechensie. 'Nein' sprecht der Herren 'Ist aufern borger mit zveitingen'. That'll learn ya! /W SignatureINVALID? DE! >> The British therefore find it inexplicable that the Germans are so keen >> on such an outdated piece of old Music Hall comedy, and believe that [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > That'll learn ya! That's some deadly sense of humor, all right! SignatureRoland Hutchinson He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba," ... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy. --Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ ) |
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