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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2010Waugh: window opening into Green Park
Hello: I'm more familiar with windows opening "on to" something. Any possible reason for "into" here? ----- It was a long, elaborate, symmetrical Adam room, with two bays of windows opening into Green park. Evelyn Waugh, Brideshead Revisited, p. 790 ---- -- Thanks. Marius Hancu > Hello: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Thanks. > Marius Hancu Not unless they were french windows, and you could walk through them into Green Park - which seems unlikely.1  SignatureCheryl >I'm more familiar with windows opening "on to" something. >Any possible reason for "into" here? I should expect that form to be used for "French windows", i.e. windows that are intended to be used as doors. However, I don't think that bay windows are likely to be of this type. SignatureRoger BW - BrE >>I'm more familiar with windows opening "on to" something. >>Any possible reason for "into" here? > >I should expect that form to be used for "French windows", i.e. windows >that are intended to be used as doors. However, I don't think that bay >windows are likely to be of this type. It is possible to have French windows (aka "French doors") set in a bay. Here is a modern example: http://cardiffcarpentry.com/Carpentry%20Images/french%20doors.jpg However, the idea of the style of residence described by Waugh having an exit from a room directly into a public area such as Green Park is out of the question. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) Peter wrote on Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:54:03 +0000: >>> I'm more familiar with windows opening "on to" something. >>> Any possible reason for "into" here? >> >> I should expect that form to be used for "French windows", >> i.e. windows that are intended to be used as doors. However, >> I don't think that bay windows are likely to be of this type. > It is possible to have French windows (aka "French doors") set > in a bay. Here is a modern example: > http://cardiffcarpentry.com/Carpentry%20Images/french%20doors.jpg Are not the terms "French Doors" and "French Windows" Pondian in usage? SignatureJames Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not > Peter wrote on Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:54:03 +0000: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Are not the terms "French Doors" and "French Windows" Pondian in usage? Yes. They are know as French Doors in North America. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >> Peter wrote on Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:54:03 +0000: >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Yes. They are know as French Doors in North America. I thought "French doors" were those high, narrow double doors. I seem to remember reading the expression in some glossy magazine while waiting for the dentist. SignatureRob Bannister >However, the idea of the style of residence described by Waugh having an >exit from a room directly into a public area such as Green Park is out >of the question. I'm assuming that the Green Park referred to is a public park, for example Green Park in London. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >>However, the idea of the style of residence described by Waugh having an >>exit from a room directly into a public area such as Green Park is out >>of the question. > I'm assuming that the Green Park referred to is a public park, for > example Green Park in London. Would it have been public at that time? SignatureLars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> Warbama's Afghaninam day: 30 741.5 hours since Warbama declared Viet Nam II. Warbama: An LBJ for the Twenty-First century. No hope. No change. >> However, the idea of the style of residence described by Waugh having an >> exit from a room directly into a public area such as Green Park is out >> of the question. > > I'm assuming that the Green Park referred to is a public park, for > example Green Park in London. This is what used to be called Wimborne House, Waugh's inspiration for Marchmain: http://www.ebarch.com/projects.php?id=17 SignatureJames >>> However, the idea of the style of residence described by Waugh having an >>> exit from a room directly into a public area such as Green Park is out [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >http://www.ebarch.com/projects.php?id=17 Interesting. There appears to be a floor length bay window (left image). http://www.ebarch.com/projects.php?id=17&view=2 I would not like to say whether the centre portion is "French" or not. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) > >> However, the idea of the style of residence described by Waugh having an > >> exit from a room directly into a public area such as Green Park is out [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://www.ebarch.com/projects.php?id=17 Are you talking about the one at Brideshead? That one seem to be in the country, a park, etc. Marius Hancu Marius Hancu wrote, in <688ae276-2834-4255-bbf0-9d16b5a1da9c@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> on Sat, 2 Jan 2010 04:09:55 -0800 (PST): > > >> However, the idea of the style of residence described by Waugh having an > > >> exit from a room directly into a public area such as Green Park is out [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Are you talking about the one at Brideshead? That one seem to be in > the country, a park, etc. That is their town house. Those sort of people often had several houses. SignatureNick Spalding BrE/IrE > Hello: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Thanks. > Marius Hancu To me, they sound more like doorways, and of course even doors generally open onto something. Nevertheless, I can understand it as windows looking out onto a view, but doors leading into the park. I would not, however, consider Waugh's usage to be typical English. SignatureRob Bannister |
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