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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2010Waugh: home
Hello: Does this mean the scouts/servants at Oxford did _not_ live on the premises? I remember from other novels that at least some of them did. ----- [Lunt is Ryder's scout at Oxford. Sebastian sends Ryder's flowers to his room.] Lunt was secreting the last of them in brown paper preparatory to taking them home. Evelyn Waugh, Brideshead Revisited, p. 683 ---- -- Thanks. Marius Hancu > Hello: > > Does this mean the scouts/servants at Oxford did _not_ live on the > premises? I remember from other novels that at least some of them did. Most lived in Jericho - now so gentrified that none can afford to! > > Does this mean the scouts/servants at Oxford did _not_ live on the > > premises? I remember from other novels that at least some of them did. > > Most lived in Jericho - now so gentrified that none can afford to! Thanks. Have the numbers of students at Oxford considerably increased during the last 80 years? Marius Hancu >>> Does this mean the scouts/servants at Oxford did _not_ live on the >>> premises? I remember from other novels that at least some of them [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Marius Hancu I don't think so. The number of colleges hasn't increased much and the amount of accommodation isn't much greater. Not for undergraduates, anyway. Post-graduate numbers may have gone up. Of course, we've grown another University as a spare in case the first one is sold off, dismantled, transported brick by brick and re-erected in Arizona.  SignatureJohn Dean Oxford >>>> Does this mean the scouts/servants at Oxford did _not_ live on the >>>> premises? I remember from other novels that at least some of them [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >amount of accommodation isn't much greater. Not for undergraduates, anyway. >Post-graduate numbers may have gone up. I hope I'm looking at the right information. Student Numbers 1991 Table I STUDENTS IN RESIDENCE (as at the last day of Michaelmas Term) Undergraduates http://www.ox.ac.uk/gazette/univstats/nos/table%20i-1991.pdf It tabulates numbers per year from 1951-2 to 1990-1 The total number of undergraduates in residence is, for example: 1951-2 6,034 1988-9 10,005 1990-1 10,367 And then at 1st December 2008 http://www.ox.ac.uk/gazette/2008-9/supps/2_4875.pdf Total undergraduates 11,332 Is it possible that between the beginning of the 1950s and 1988 the proportion of undergraduates physically resident in colleges has decreased? Might this, in part, have resulted from the reduction of the age of majority from 21 to 18 in 1969? >Of course, we've grown another University as a spare in case the first one >is sold off, dismantled, transported brick by brick and re-erected in >Arizona. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >>>>> Does this mean the scouts/servants at Oxford did _not_ live on the >>>>> premises? I remember from other novels that at least some of them [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > decreased? Might this, in part, have resulted from the reduction of the > age of majority from 21 to 18 in 1969? Is that what "In Residence" means? It could be Oxford-speak for "registered at the University". See the note at the bottom of the data: "Note: non-resident students. In addition there are 465 non-resident undergraduates: of these 309 are linguists, most of whom are spending a year abroad." SignatureDavid > I don't think so. The number of colleges hasn't increased much and the > amount of accommodation isn't much greater. Not for undergraduates, > anyway. Post-graduate numbers may have gone up. Of course, we've grown > another University as a spare in case the first one is sold off, > dismantled, transported brick by brick and re-erected in Arizona. I hope I don't speak out-of-turn here, my own degrees are both from Bangor but I once held a Baliol living. I get the impression that undergraduate accommodation suddenly doubled by the simple device of turning each 'set' (of two rooms) into two 'rooms' thus doubling the number of young gentlemen who could live on each staircase. This was certainly the case at Ridley Hall (at the 'other place'). > > I don't think so. The number of colleges hasn't increased much and the > > amount of accommodation isn't much greater. Not for undergraduates, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > staircase. This was certainly the case at Ridley Hall (at the 'other > place'). That was one of the questions I had about the book. EW was making reference to the "roomS" of a single student ... How many were there in 1920s? 1Bedroom + 1living-room? Marius Hancu > That was one of the questions I had about the book. EW was making > reference to the "roomS" of a single student ... How many were there in > 1920s? 1Bedroom + 1living-room? > > Marius Hancu Just that. It was called a 'set'. |
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