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Marius Hancu - 08 Jan 2010 11:14 GMT
1-I'm going to have dinner at 8pm
2-I'm having dinner at 8 pm

Suppose they mean both in the future. What is the distinction between
them? And in what context are you going to use them?
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Thanks.
Marius Hancu
Derek Turner - 08 Jan 2010 12:03 GMT
> 1-I'm going to have dinner at 8pm
> 2-I'm having dinner at 8 pm
>
> Suppose they mean both in the future. What is the distinction between
> them? And in what context are you going to use them?

Neither. What's wrong with verb 'to dine'?
Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 08 Jan 2010 12:26 GMT
>> 1-I'm going to have dinner at 8pm
>> 2-I'm having dinner at 8 pm
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>
>Neither. What's wrong with verb 'to dine'?

Some would find that a tad formal.

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Marius Hancu - 08 Jan 2010 12:50 GMT
On Jan 8, 7:26 am, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net>
wrote:

> >> 1-I'm going to have dinner at 8pm
> >> 2-I'm having dinner at 8 pm
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Some would find that a tad formal.

All right then, how would you separate between the first two? They
both seem to be used.

Marius Hancu
Cheryl - 08 Jan 2010 12:56 GMT
> On Jan 8, 7:26 am, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Marius Hancu

There's very little if any distinction between them. Every time I try to
think of an example in which I'd use one, the other would work too. "I'm
going to have dinner at 8 PM" sounds a bit more definite. It could be a
response to an invitation to do something else, or pressure to have
dinner at 7 PM instead. "I'm having dinner at 8 PM" sounds slightly less
firm -"I'm having dinner at 8 PM, but I can eat earlier and meet you at
8 PM."

But really, there's almost no difference. Especially if you are
speaking, you can make "I'm having dinner at 8:00 PM sound like a very
definite statement of policy by voice emphasis alone."

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Pablo - 09 Jan 2010 13:04 GMT
El Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:26:07 -0330, Cheryl escribió:

>> On Jan 8, 7:26 am, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net>
>> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> firm -"I'm having dinner at 8 PM, but I can eat earlier and meet you at
> 8 PM."

I don't know why, but I'd say the opposite. "Going to..." sounds more
vague to me.

> But really, there's almost no difference. Especially if you are
> speaking, you can make "I'm having dinner at 8:00 PM sound like a very
> definite statement of policy by voice emphasis alone."

Well yes.

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John Holmes - 08 Jan 2010 12:47 GMT
> 1-I'm going to have dinner at 8pm
> 2-I'm having dinner at 8 pm
>
> Suppose they mean both in the future. What is the distinction between
> them? And in what context are you going to use them?

Answer A: They are both the same.

Answer B: 1 means I intend to. 2 is a little more definite.

Answer C: 1 means I am going to eat then. 2 means I am hosting a dinner
starting then.

Which answer applies depends on the speaker and context.

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Marius Hancu - 08 Jan 2010 19:17 GMT
> > 1-I'm going to have dinner at 8pm
> > 2-I'm having dinner at 8 pm
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Which answer applies depends on the speaker and context.

I think I see your points and the meaning of the alternatives, and I
can't  but agree.

How about my take, perhaps a different angle:

1 talks more about plans, and the moment of dinner is projected in
another time segment, in the future

2 uses an extension of the same time segment/interval as the present,
and it's like the decision is already taken; writing it this way, you
have more of a connection with present events, there's not so much of
a feeling of separation from the future

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Thank you all.
Marius Hancu
Chuck Riggs - 08 Jan 2010 16:06 GMT
>1-I'm going to have dinner at 8pm
>2-I'm having dinner at 8 pm
>
>Suppose they mean both in the future. What is the distinction between
>them? And in what context are you going to use them?

I'd use the first sentence to express flexibility in when I plan to
have dinner. With the second, there is little to no flexibility in my
schedule.
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Glenn Knickerbocker - 08 Jan 2010 21:31 GMT
> 1-I'm going to have dinner at 8pm
> 2-I'm having dinner at 8 pm

(2) suggests to me that dinner arrangements are somehow in play:  food
is cooking, guests are invited, reservations are made, you have to be
sure to eat then in order to get to another engagement, or something
like that.  (1) is a more specific statement of intent.

(1) may imply interrupting something already in progress, where (2) more
likely implies that you have to plan around dinnertime before getting
started.

¬R
Marius Hancu - 10 Jan 2010 11:15 GMT
> > 1-I'm going to have dinner at 8pm
> > 2-I'm having dinner at 8 pm
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> likely implies that you have to plan around dinnertime before getting
> started.

Well, this is one of the references which agrees with you, to some
extent at least:

True to life: English for adult learners. Pre-intermediate. Teacher's
book
See p. 39, item 4 (Answer key, 1, 2, 3)
http://tinyurl.com/yc592jm

Thank you all.
Marius Hancu
Glenn Knickerbocker - 10 Jan 2010 15:17 GMT
>True to life: English for adult learners. Pre-intermediate. Teacher's
>book
>See p. 39, item 4 (Answer key, 1, 2, 3)
>http://tinyurl.com/yc592jm

That's exactly right.  Note that, with "going to," "decided in the past"
may be in the immediate past, right up to and even including the moment
of speaking.  You might hear "I'm going to have . . . um . . . a coffee"
said to a waiter by someone who was still in the middle of making the
decision when he was asked.

¬R   http://users.bestweb.net/~notr/zangelding.html   "When there's
a nuclear attack, that's when buckets are used."  --Tim Brown, IUSD
Eric Walker - 09 Jan 2010 00:33 GMT
> 1-I'm going to have dinner at 8pm
> 2-I'm having dinner at 8 pm
>
> Suppose they mean both in the future. What is the distinction between
> them?  And in what context are you going to use them?

The present tense is still, as it was in oldest English, used for the
future, there being no inflected form; this is especially so when some
other element of the sentence (such as "at 8 pm") makes the futurity
especially obvious, as in #2: "I'm having dinner at 8 pm."

The present-tense form 'am/is going' used with a dependent infinitive
also often has the force of a pure future auxiliary, as in "I am going to
call on him soon."  But that form can also have other shaded futirity
meanings.

One such is as an auxiliary indicating that the subject is preparing to
act: "I am going to shoot"; "it is going to rain".  Another such is
indicating some sort of result or outcome: "He is going to be rich some
day."

Generally, context will show which of the three shadings of "am/is going"
applies in a given use.  In the given example #1, the sense seems to be
more "preparing to act" than simple futurity, though I suppose a
colorable case could also be made for the result/outcome sense.  Indeed,
the differentiations are more subtleties than bright-line divisions.

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