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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2010Crashing Kindles
Has anyone experienced anything like the following? This morning, as I was merrily reading along, my Kindle froze when I hit the Next Page button. I pushed the Home button, I think it was, and the device went through what looked like a reboot, with around a minute elapsing before I had control again. At that point, to my horror, nothing appeared to be stored on it or in archived memory. After I went online and synched the device, everything was back. A few pages later and it went down again, then it happened a third time. Now, I have my fingers crossed that I'll be able to read one of my favourite books, "The Grapes of Wrath", without interruption until tea time.  SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE > Has anyone experienced anything like the following? This morning, as I > was merrily reading along, my Kindle froze when I hit the Next Page [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > favourite books, "The Grapes of Wrath", without interruption until tea > time. Never happens with a real book. I keep hearing how wonderful those gadgets are for traveling. Sounds as if half an hour into an 8-hour plane flight one could quit. I'll stick to real books. SignatureErilar, biblioholic medievalist http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarlo >> Has anyone experienced anything like the following? This morning, >> as I was merrily reading along, my Kindle froze when I hit the Next [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Sounds as if half an hour into an 8-hour plane flight one could > quit. I'll stick to real books. My wife recently turned the page in the book she was reading and discovered that half of the next page (the half furthest from the spine) was missing. I've gotten books with signatures missing (including, maddeningly, the last one).[1] Of course, such a failure doesn't prevent you from switching to another book. [1] It wasn't until the second time that I read _Childhood's End_ that I realized that the reason that the reason things seemed to have changed so abruptly was that my copy was missing a signature. > My wife recently turned the page in the book she was reading and > discovered that half of the next page (the half furthest from the > spine) was missing. I've gotten books with signatures missing > (including, maddeningly, the last one).[1] Of course, such a failure > doesn't prevent you from switching to another book. I had a book where two whole sections had been stitched in the wrong places. Fortunately, the pages were numbered correctly so I was able to work out how it should be read. Unfortunately, I didn't notice before I got very confused about the story. Book is now thrown out. SignatureRob Bannister >> My wife recently turned the page in the book she was reading and >> discovered that half of the next page (the half furthest from the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > to work out how it should be read. Unfortunately, I didn't notice > before I got very confused about the story. Book is now thrown out. One of the few books I have destroyed was a thriller I got from a charity shop where the last signature was replaced by a repeat of a previous one. SignatureOnline waterways route planner | http://canalplan.eu Plan trips, see photos, check facilities | http://canalplan.org.uk Nick filted: >>> My wife recently turned the page in the book she was reading and >>> discovered that half of the next page (the half furthest from the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >charity shop where the last signature was replaced by a repeat of a >previous one. I had one from a book club where an internal signature was repeated...I didn't even notice for a page or two because the story involved the main character leaping about wildly in time, so abrupt changes of scenery were common.... I sent off a note to the book club, asking if there were any way to exchange the book even though I'd had it for eleven months before I had a chance to start reading it...they simply sent me a correct copy and told me to do whatever I wanted with the defective one....r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? > Nick filted: [...] >> One of the few books I have destroyed was a thriller I got from a >> charity shop where the last signature was replaced by a repeat of a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > had a chance to start reading it...they simply sent me a correct copy > and told me to do whatever I wanted with the defective one....r I've sometimes made people secret hiding-places by hollowing out some obsolete but uninteresting reference book, such as Spon's Price Guide for Builders. It takes a surprisingly long time to do neatly. SignatureMike. >>> My wife recently turned the page in the book she was reading and >>> discovered that half of the next page (the half furthest from the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > charity shop where the last signature was replaced by a repeat of a > previous one. Could you please explain what you mean by "signature" here? SignatureRob Bannister >>>> My wife recently turned the page in the book she was reading and >>>> discovered that half of the next page (the half furthest from the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Could you please explain what you mean by "signature" here? Main Entry: sig·na·ture 3 b : one unit of a book comprising a group of printed sheets that are folded and stitched together This apparently cam from sense 3a: a letter or figure placed usually at the bottom of the first page on each sheet of printed pages (as of a book) as a direction to the binder in arranging and gathering the sheets SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |A specification which calls for 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |network-wide use of encryption, but Palo Alto, CA 94304 |invokes the Tooth Fairy to handle |key distribution, is a useless kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com |farce. (650)857-7572 | Henry Spencer http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ >>> One of the few books I have destroyed was a thriller I got from a >>> charity shop where the last signature was replaced by a repeat of a >>> previous one. >> Could you please explain what you mean by "signature" here? > Main Entry: sig·na·ture > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > on each sheet of printed pages (as of a book) as a direction to > the binder in arranging and gathering the sheets I've always called them fascicles. Am I wrong? Perce Percival P. Cassidy filted: >> Main Entry: sig=B7na=B7ture >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >I've always called them fascicles. Am I wrong? I'd restrict the use of that term to standalones....r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? >>>> One of the few books I have destroyed was a thriller I got from a >>>> charity shop where the last signature was replaced by a repeat of a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I've always called them fascicles. Am I wrong? A fascicle can consist of several signatures bound together. SignatureJames >> Could you please explain what you mean by "signature" here? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > on each sheet of printed pages (as of a book) as a direction to > the binder in arranging and gathering the sheets Thank you. I used to do bookbinding at school, but I don't remember this expression. Mind you, I can't remember what we did call them. SignatureRob Bannister Rob Bannister: >> Could you please explain what you mean by "signature" here? Evan Kirshenbaum: > 3 b : one unit of a book comprising a group of printed sheets that > are folded and stitched together [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > on each sheet of printed pages (as of a book) as a direction to > the binder in arranging and gathering the sheets It's not common, but I have seen books where each signature in sense 3b bears a signature in sense 3a. Mostly these have been British books published decades ago. Typically what's printed is a short abbreviation of the title followed by a sequence letter, so on page 33 it might say "L.O.T.R. -- B", on page 65 "L.O.T.R. -- C", and so on up. I would guess that most publishers using this method would place the mark where trimming the pages will remove it. SignatureMark Brader | "Unless developers are careful, good software Toronto | attracts so many improvements that it eventually msb@vex.net | rolls over and sinks..." --Ben & Peter Laurie My text in this article is in the public domain. > Rob Bannister: >>> Could you please explain what you mean by "signature" here? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I would guess that most publishers using this method would place the > mark where trimming the pages will remove it. Enough of the books I grew up reading (so hardbacks from the local library published in the 1950s or early 60s) were like that that I asked my parents what it meant and had it explained to me. I just pulled two adjacent volumes from the centre of my "oldish books" shelf. The first, "A Certain Dr. Thorndyke" (1934) just has a (fairly large) incrementing digit, offset about an inch from the left margin at the bottom of the page (the pages are numbered (between a rather nice pair or rules) at the top of the page). The other, "Whiskey Galore" (1951) has (at about the same place, but in smaller type) "W.G. --- 2" etc. That's definitely an em-dash in there. There's no "1" signature in either book. SignatureOnline waterways route planner | http://canalplan.eu Plan trips, see photos, check facilities | http://canalplan.org.uk Mark Brader: >> It's not common, but I have seen books where each signature in sense 3b >> bears a signature in sense 3a. Mostly these have been British books >> published decades ago. Nick Atty: > Enough of the books I grew up reading (so hardbacks from the local library > published in the 1950s or early 60s) were like that that I asked my > parents what it meant and had it explained to me. > > I just pulled two adjacent volumes from the centre of my "oldish books" > shelf. The first, "A Certain Dr. Thorndyke" (1934) ... Nice timing: I'm currently reading a collection of Dr. Thorndyke short stories. The last mystery I read was one of Robert B. Parker's Spenser novels. I finished it yesterday and less than an hour later I learned from another newsgroup that he'd died. If R. Austin Freeman was still alive, I think he'd have to be very afraid right now. :-) SignatureMark Brader, Toronto "In my case, self-absorption is msb@vex.net completely justified." -- LAURA My text in this article is in the public domain. Nick Atty: > One of the few books I have destroyed was a thriller I got from a > charity shop where the last signature was replaced by a repeat of a > previous one. You have charity shops that are built of signatures? Usually the corresponding unit in architecture is the bay. :-) SignatureMark Brader | "One of these days I'll have to use that ... without the Toronto | awkward brackets, so that you can quote it that way, too." msb@vex.net | -- Steve Summit Evan Kirshenbaum: > I've gotten books with signatures missing > (including, maddeningly, the last one). ... I was once looking at a book in a bookstore and, on a whim, decided to check that all pages were present. Good thing -- as in Evan's case, the whole last signature (32 pages) was missing. There was one other copy on the shelf, so I looked at it -- and the whole *first* signature was missing. I suggested to the checkout clerk that they sell me both copies for the price of one, and they agreed. Problem solved. SignatureMark Brader, Toronto "I don't have *any* minions any more." msb@vex.net -- Clive Feather My text in this article is in the public domain. Mark Brader filted: >Evan Kirshenbaum: >> I've gotten books with signatures missing [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >I suggested to the checkout clerk that they sell me both copies for the >price of one, and they agreed. Problem solved. Quite reasonable (which is to say remarkable) on their part...instead of having to send *two* spoiled copies back to the publisher, they sold one and got the other taken off their hands....r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? erilar wrote on Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:33:12 -0600: >> Has anyone experienced anything like the following? This >> morning, as I was merrily reading along, my Kindle froze when [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> my favourite books, "The Grapes of Wrath", without >> interruption until tea time. > Never happens with a real book. > I keep hearing how wonderful those gadgets are for traveling. > Sounds as if half an hour into an 8-hour plane flight one > could quit. I'll stick to real books. On their request, I gave my son and daughter-in-law a Kindle for Xmas. They are very enthusiastic about it and had tried both the Nook and the Sony machine. SignatureJames Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not > erilar wrote on Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:33:12 -0600: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >They are very enthusiastic about it and had tried both the Nook and the >Sony machine. Good choice. Except for the crash, the more I use my Kindle the more I like it. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE >> Has anyone experienced anything like the following? This morning, as I >> was merrily reading along, my Kindle froze when I hit the Next Page [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >if half an hour into an 8-hour plane flight one could quit. I'll stick >to real books. No, your books are in the device's memory. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE > >> Has anyone experienced anything like the following? This morning, as I > >> was merrily reading along, my Kindle froze when I hit the Next Page [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > No, your books are in the device's memory. Ah, but the above description is of a blanked Kindle that could not be used at all without online access. What early good is the weight saving over books if I also had to have constant internet access, requiring another source of weight? SignatureErilar, biblioholic medievalist http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarlo >> >> Has anyone experienced anything like the following? This morning, as I >> >> was merrily reading along, my Kindle froze when I hit the Next Page [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >over books if I also had to have constant internet access, requiring >another source of weight? Where there is Kindle Internet coverage, which is in much of the civilized world, the device itself provides the access you need to buy or archive books, magazines and blogs. The signal strength here in Ireland, for example, is always excellent. When my Kindle hiccuped, I didn't need its Internet capabilities to get it going again; just a series of reboots did the job. The crash happened almost immediately after I bought a large number of books, including all of Shakespeare's plays, which may be related to the incident. All has been well ever since. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE > Where there is Kindle Internet coverage, which is in much of the > civilized world, the device itself provides the access you need to buy [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > including all of Shakespeare's plays, which may be related to the > incident. All has been well ever since. You might be interested in this: The 1960 BBC miniseries, An Age of Kings, is now on DVD. It's all of the history plays from Richard II right through to Richard III. The plays are uncut, or nearly so, each one a full two hours long. I got a set for Christmas; last night we finished Henry V. So far we've seen the Baddeley sisters play Mistress Quickly and Doll Tearsheet, Sean Connery as Hotspur, and cute young (not yet Dame) Judi Dench as Princess Katherine of France. ObAUE: I have little trouble understanding the actors' pronunciation; better than listening to American actors on the stage of The Shakespeare Theatre Company here in Washington. I believe the way the British actors rrrroll those Rs makes the difference, look you. SignatureJohn Varela Trade NEWlamps for OLDlamps for email >> Where there is Kindle Internet coverage, which is in much of the >> civilized world, the device itself provides the access you need to buy [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >and cute young (not yet Dame) Judi Dench as Princess Katherine of >France. I'd be interested, except my DVD player/recorder went on the fritz. They're generally not worth repairing. Instead, I'm waiting for prices to come down a little on player/recorders that support the new format. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE > When my Kindle hiccuped, I didn't need its Internet capabilities to > get it going again; just a series of reboots did the job. The crash > happened almost immediately after I bought a large number of books, > including all of Shakespeare's plays, which may be related to the > incident. The Scottish play? SignatureRob Bannister Robert Bannister filted: >> When my Kindle hiccuped, I didn't need its Internet capabilities to >> get it going again; just a series of reboots did the job. The crash [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >The Scottish play? I figured it was a stack error in "The Taming of the Shrew" because the Induction was never resolved....r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? >> When my Kindle hiccuped, I didn't need its Internet capabilities to >> get it going again; just a series of reboots did the job. The crash [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >The Scottish play? You've whoosed me. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE >>> When my Kindle hiccuped, I didn't need its Internet capabilities to >>> get it going again; just a series of reboots did the job. The crash [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You've whoosed me. You aren't supposed to say the name of the Scottish play because it causes bad luck. Crashing your Kindle was bad luck. Maybe it's enough to download the play; you don't need to say the name! SignatureCheryl > >>> When my Kindle hiccuped, I didn't need its Internet capabilities to > >>> get it going again; just a series of reboots did the job. The crash [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > causes bad luck. Crashing your Kindle was bad luck. Maybe it's enough to > download the play; you don't need to say the name! Aren't you allowed to say the name of the play anywhere but inside the theater? SignatureJohn Varela Trade NEWlamps for OLDlamps for email >>>>> When my Kindle hiccuped, I didn't need its Internet capabilities to >>>>> get it going again; just a series of reboots did the job. The crash [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Aren't you allowed to say the name of the play anywhere but inside > the theater? I don't really know, not being up on all the details of theatrical beliefs. Certainly, my teachers said its name - it was one of Shakespeare's plays selected for study in my high school. I suppose that could have been the reason for any bad luck that befell them or the school. SignatureCheryl >> >>> When my Kindle hiccuped, I didn't need its Internet capabilities to >> >>> get it going again; just a series of reboots did the job. The crash [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Aren't you allowed to say the name of the play anywhere but inside >the theater? I'll run a test. Macbeth, Macbeth , Macbeth. Now I'll see what happens to me this afternoon. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE >>>>>> When my Kindle hiccuped, I didn't need its Internet >>>>>> capabilities to get it going again; just a series of [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I'll run a test. Macbeth, Macbeth , Macbeth. Now I'll see what > happens to me this afternoon. Nothing will happen to you if you go out, turn around three times, spit, curse, then knock on the door and ask to be readmitted. As I have just done. SignatureJames >>>>>>> When my Kindle hiccuped, I didn't need its Internet >>>>>>> capabilities to get it going again; just a series of [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > As I have just done. It's alright for you, there's no-one else here to open the door to me... SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) >>>>>>>> When my Kindle hiccuped, I didn't need its Internet >>>>>>>> capabilities to get it going again; just a series of [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > It's alright for you, there's no-one else here to open the door to me... Banquo opened for me. SignatureJames >>>>>>>>> When my Kindle hiccuped, I didn't need its Internet >>>>>>>>> capabilities to get it going again; just a series of [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Banquo opened for me. Don't try that during a banquo holiday. SignatureRobin (BrE) Herts, England >>>>>>>>>> When my Kindle hiccuped, I didn't need its Internet >>>>>>>>>> capabilities to get it going again; just a series of [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >Don't try that during a banquo holiday. Banquo's sister, Banquette, is nicely upholstered. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) Peter wrote on Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:52:06 +0000: > Banquo's sister, Banquette, is nicely upholstered. In the libellous version of history produced by Holinshed and Shakespeare to please James VI/I no mention is made of the fact that Macbeth felt sufficiently secure on his throne to take a vacation (pilgrimage) to Rome during his 20 year reign. On the other hand, the real Lady Macbeth's disposition might not have been helped by her having the given name of Gruoch. SignatureJames Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not >>>>>>> When my Kindle hiccuped, I didn't need its Internet >>>>>>> capabilities to get it going again; just a series of [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Nothing will happen to you if you go out, turn around three times, spit, >curse, then knock on the door and ask to be readmitted. What if the curse I utter is "Macbeth, Macbeth, Macbeth"? >As I have just done. Good luck. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE |
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