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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2010A child that's born on a new year's day is ...
Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that commences: "But a child that's born on a new year's day / is ..." Thanks. On 15 Jan 2010, Charles Self wrote > Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that commences: > "But a child that's born on a new year's day / is ..." "Not going to qualify for tax-relief pay"? (Sorry...)  SignatureCheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed > On 15 Jan 2010, Charles Self wrote > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > (Sorry...) Isn't that the 6th April (in the UK)? I was born on 3rd April, so my parents escaped very narrowly. Signatureathel On 15 Jan 2010, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote >> On 15 Jan 2010, Charles Self wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Isn't that the 6th April (in the UK)? Probably, but adding "in certain jurisdictions" rather ruined the scansion and rhyme... > I was born on 3rd April, so my parents escaped very narrowly. SignatureCheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed >Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that commences: >"But a child that's born on a new year's day / is ..." >Thanks. Can you be thinking, instead, of the rhyme about the days of the week, which starts "Monday's child is full of grace" and ends "But the child that is born on the Sabbath day Is happy and bonny and good and gay" (variations apply)? SignatureKaty Jennison spamtrap: remove the first two letters after the @ > Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that commences: > "But a child that's born on a new year's day / is ..." > Thanks. Are you misremembering "Monday's child is fair of face...?" SignatureRay UK > Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that commences: > "But a child that's born on a new year's day / is ..." > Thanks. That sounds like the one that starts with "Monday's child is full of grace" and works through the week, ending with "But the child that is born on the Sabbath day Is healthy, wealthy, happy and gay." Nothing there about New Year's Day, though. SignaturePeter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org For an e-mail address, see my web page. >> Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that commences: >> "But a child that's born on a new year's day / is ..." [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Nothing there about New Year's Day, though. The only folklore I could find online about New Year's Day children was this: "The child that is born on New Year's Day and gives three 'greets' will be a long liver." Those are "greets" in the Scottish sense. SignatureJames >> Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that commences: >> "But a child that's born on a new year's day / is ..." [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Nothing there about New Year's Day, though. You and Katy appear to have variant forms of the last line. I learned "blithe and bonny and good and gay." Probably from a book. I was once told by a fortune cookie that I was "straight forward and honest". >>> Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that commences: >>> "But a child that's born on a new year's day / is ..." [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > You and Katy appear to have variant forms of the last line. I learned > "blithe and bonny and good and gay." Probably from a book. And the version that I was taught ended with "Happy and bright and good and gay." > I was once told by a fortune cookie that I was "straight forward and > honest". Better than being crooked backward and dishonest. SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) >>>> Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that commences: >>>> "But a child that's born on a new year's day / is ..." [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Better than being crooked backward and dishonest. So I claimed, but the hoots of my companions drowned me out. >>> Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that commences: >>> "But a child that's born on a new year's day / is ..." [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >You and Katy appear to have variant forms of the last line. I learned >"blithe and bonny and good and gay." Probably from a book. I have "bonny and blithe and good and gay", which seems to me to scan slightly better. Katy (the other one), who should know, having been born on the Sabbath Day. >>>> Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that commences: >>>> "But a child that's born on a new year's day / is ..." [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Katy (the other one), who should know, having been born on the > Sabbath Day. It has to work sometimes. I was a Monday's child, which probably accounts for my skeptical nature. >>>>> Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that commences: >>>>> "But a child that's born on a new year's day / is ..." [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > It has to work sometimes. I was a Monday's child, which probably > accounts for my skeptical nature. I was born on a Wednesday. SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) >I was born on a Wednesday. One of our local TV stations has for decades done a feature on children in need of adoption called "Wednesday's Child". (It airs, of course, on Wednesday, except for the annual charity ski race, which is on a Sunday.) -GAWollman SignatureGarrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft wollman@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993 >>I was born on a Wednesday. "Full of woe", alas. I'm Saturday - and certainly don't work hard. > One of our local TV stations has for decades done a feature on > children in need of adoption called "Wednesday's Child". (It airs, of > course, on Wednesday, except for the annual charity ski race, which is > on a Sunday.) If Fulio Pen is reading this - see your thread "to sell or be sold" - note Garrett's use of a TV feature which "airs... on a Wednesday" - exactly the phenomenon discussed in that thread. Regards Jonathan > It has to work sometimes. I was a Monday's child, which probably > accounts for my skeptical nature.- Hide quoted text - Same here! S in B On 16 Jan 2010, tsuidf wrote >> It has to work sometimes. I was a Monday's child, which probably >> accounts for my skeptical nature.- Hide quoted text - > > Same here! "I'm a Tuesday's child", he said gracefully. SignatureCheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed > tsuidf wrote >>> It has to work sometimes. I was a Monday's child, which probably >>> accounts for my skeptical nature.- Hide quoted text - >> >> Same here! > > "I'm a Tuesday's child", he said gracefully. I really had far to go, so I was born on a Thursday. SignatureSkitt (AmE) >>> "CDB" wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I really had far to go, so I was born on a Thursday. I was born about fifteen minutes before midnight on a Saturday, so I have had to work hard for a living, unlike those who came slightly later, for whom life is an eternal sabbatical. I can always remember that it was a Saturday. My grandmother believed in the old superstition that a child born on Whit Sunday will either kill or be killed. She didn't want to risk that happening, so the doctor was called on the Saturday and he told my mother that she'd better start having pains. She managed it, but only just. I've just been googling for this superstition. Apparently, even if I had been born on the Whit Sunday, it would have been possible to avert the terrible fate of being doomed either to kill or be killed: "This fate can be averted by going through a ceremony of a mock funeral of the child, or alternatively by squashing an insect in the child's hand." SignatureJames James Hogg filted: >I've just been googling for this superstition. Apparently, even if I >had been born on the Whit Sunday, it would have been possible to avert >the terrible fate of being doomed either to kill or be killed: "This fate >can be averted by going through a ceremony of a mock funeral of the >child, or alternatively by squashing an insect in the child's hand." That last takes care of the "kill" part, but I'll bet the insects aren't happy about it....r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? > James Hogg filted: >> I've just been googling for this superstition. Apparently, even if [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > That last takes care of the "kill" part, but I'll bet the insects > aren't happy about it....r Another alternative is to place a small chick in the infant's hand and let the infant squeeze it to death. In some places they specify a robin. SignatureJames >> James Hogg filted: >>> I've just been googling for this superstition. Apparently, even if [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Another alternative is to place a small chick in the infant's hand and >let the infant squeeze it to death. In some places they specify a robin. Remind me to stay indoors on Whit Sundays. SignatureRobin (BrE) Herts, England >>> James Hogg filted: >>>> I've just been googling for this superstition. Apparently, even if [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Remind me to stay indoors on Whit Sundays. That's the danger of being a capitonym. SignatureJames On 16 Jan 2010, James Hogg wrote > I was born about fifteen minutes before midnight on a Saturday, > so I have had to work hard for a living, unlike those who came [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > ceremony of a mock funeral of the child, or alternatively by > squashing an insect in the child's hand." Well, y'know, ancient societies not only intrinsically understood this sort of thing -- being as they were in tune with the rhythm of the world and the spirit of Gaia -- they all knew for certain that crushing insects into the hands of newborns would innoculate them against killing. Isn't the wisdom of crowds a wonderful thing? SignatureCheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed > On 16 Jan 2010, James Hogg wrote > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Isn't the wisdom of crowds a wonderful thing? Ancient societies? This was 1953! SignatureJames > > tsuidf wrote > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I really had far to go, so I was born on a Thursday. Me too, but I didn't go nearly as far from home as you did. SignatureJohn Varela Trade NEWlamps for OLDlamps for email Skitt wrote, in <hitf45$tq4$1@news.albasani.net> on Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:37:52 -0800: > > tsuidf wrote > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I really had far to go, so I was born on a Thursday. So was I. I went as far as Australia once. SignatureNick Spalding BrE/IrE > >>>> Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that commences: > >>>> "But a child that's born on a new year's day / is ..." [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > It has to work sometimes. I was a Monday's child, which probably > accounts for my skeptical nature. My nature is to skeptical to care. I really don't know my weekday. Would have to look it up, Jan >>>>>> Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that commences: >>>>>> "But a child that's born on a new year's day / is ..." [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Would have to look it up, Here you go: http://www.vpcalendar.net/20th_21st.html >>>> Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that commences: >>>> "But a child that's born on a new year's day / is ..." [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Katy (the other one), who should know, having been born on the Sabbath Day. So was I. It was a great source of pride, my siblings all having been born on lesser days. I don't propose mine as the definitive version. I'm happy to have any of the variants ascribed to me. SignatureKaty Jennison spamtrap: remove the first two letters after the @ >>>>> Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that commences: >>>>> "But a child that's born on a new year's day / is ..." [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I don't propose mine as the definitive version. I'm happy to have any > of the variants ascribed to me. The whole system was thrown out of joint when we lost eleven days in 1752. SignatureJames >>>>>> Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that commences: "But >>>>>> a child that's born on a new year's day / is ..." [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > The whole system was thrown out of joint when we lost eleven days in > 1752. Wasn't! The seven-day cycle is about the only thing in the calendar that hasn't been tampered with in recorded history (nor for a good while before). SignatureRoland Hutchinson He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba," ... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy. --Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ ) Roland Hutchinson: > The seven-day cycle is about the only thing in the calendar that hasn't > been tampered with in recorded history... Not in *our* recorded history. But in France or the USSR... SignatureMark Brader, Toronto | "If we gave people a choice, there would be chaos." msb@vex.net | -- Dick McDonald ke10@cam.ac.uk set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time continuum: >>>> Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that commences: >>>> "But a child that's born on a new year's day / is ..." [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I have "bonny and blithe and good and gay", which seems to me to scan > slightly better. Gay didn't mean *that* of course when I was born on the Sabbath day many moons ago. I'm straight - except for my hair. Signatureξ:) Proud to be curly Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:45:47 +0000, ke10 wrote: >>>> Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that commences: "But a >>>> child that's born on a new year's day / is ..." [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Katy (the other one), who should know, having been born on the Sabbath > Day. Sabbath, schmabbath--I was born on Rosh Hashahnah. SignatureRoland Hutchinson He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba," ... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy. --Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ ) > On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:45:47 +0000, ke10 wrote: [days of the week] >> I have "bonny and blithe and good and gay", which seems to me to >> scan slightly better. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Sabbath, schmabbath--I was born on Rosh Hashahnah. Would you believe, STS? (Dipdipdipdip mum mum mum mum work for a living) >> On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:45:47 +0000, ke10 wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Would you believe, STS? (Dipdipdipdip mum mum mum mum work for a > living) Oh dear, there is nothing worse than second-hand STS. Do you mean biri biri bum? SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) >>> On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:45:47 +0000, ke10 wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Oh dear, there is nothing worse than second-hand STS. Do you mean > biri biri bum? No. If I leave it at that, will the Syndrome go away? It's from a popular American song of social frustration among the yoot. Advance at your peril. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hkJL6wRBE8 >>>> Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that commences: >>>> "But a child that's born on a new year's day / is ..." [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I have "bonny and blithe and good and gay", which seems to me to scan slightly > better. I couldn't remember the words, so I googled them. It's very likely that I copied a misquotation. Certainly "wealthy" looks out of place now that I look at it more closely; it's not a personal quality. SignaturePeter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org For an e-mail address, see my web page. >>>>> Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that >>>>> commences: "But a child that's born on a new year's day / is [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > that I copied a misquotation. Certainly "wealthy" looks out of place > now that I look at it more closely; it's not a personal quality. Neither is having far to go. Anyway, the canonical version seems to be "bonny and blithe and good and gay". My canon here is Brewer, which has another rhyme about sneezing: If you sneeze on a Monday, you sneeze for danger; Sneeze on a Tuesday, kiss a stranger; Sneeze on a Wednesday, sneeze for a letter; Sneeze on a Thursday, something better; Sneeze on a Friday, sneeze for sorrow; Sneeze on Saturday, see you sweetheart tomorrow. No sternutation on the sabbath, apparently. SignatureJames >Anyway, the canonical version seems to be "bonny and blithe and good and >gay". My canon here is Brewer, which has another rhyme about sneezing: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Sneeze on a Friday, sneeze for sorrow; >Sneeze on Saturday, see you sweetheart tomorrow. Ooh, a new sneezing rhyme. I learnt "one for a wish, two for a kiss, three for a letter, four for something better" from my ex-husband's family. There's nothing for people like me who regularly sneeze 5 or 6 times, though. SignatureI can't control the kittens. Too many whiskers! Too many whiskers! http://sleeptalkinman.blogspot.com/ >> Anyway, the canonical version seems to be "bonny and blithe and good >> and gay". My canon here is Brewer, which has another rhyme about [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > family. There's nothing for people like me who regularly sneeze 5 or 6 > times, though. I'd venture that you are just plain sick, then. SignatureSkitt (AmE) >>> Anyway, the canonical version seems to be "bonny and blithe and good >>> and gay". My canon here is Brewer, which has another rhyme about [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >I'd venture that you are just plain sick, then. I've been sick for a very long time. I think it might be a paper-dust issue, actually. SignatureI can't control the kittens. Too many whiskers! Too many whiskers! http://sleeptalkinman.blogspot.com/ On Jan 18, 1:47 pm, Amethyst Deceiver <n...@lindsayendell.org.uk> wrote: > >>> Anyway, the canonical version seems to be "bonny and blithe and good > >>> and gay". My canon here is Brewer, which has another rhyme about [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I've been sick for a very long time. I think it might be a paper-dust > issue, actually. Genetically, there are one-time sneezers, two-time sneezers, three- time sneezers, and many-time sneezers. Or so I heard someplace. Hrair-time sneezers? -- Jerry Friedman Two or three. > Genetically, there are one-time sneezers, two-time sneezers, three- > time sneezers, and many-time sneezers. Or so I heard someplace. I can believe that. Just like my grandfather if I choke very slightly I will cough and splutter, then follow it with three enormous sneezes. My mother always put some of his coughing and spluttering down to being gassed on the Somme, but then I came along ... SignatureOnline waterways route planner | http://canalplan.eu Plan trips, see photos, check facilities | http://canalplan.org.uk >>>>> Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that commences: >>>>> "But a child that's born on a new year's day / is ..." [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > that I copied a misquotation. Certainly "wealthy" looks out of place > now that I look at it more closely; it's not a personal quality. You should go to bed early. SignatureRay UK > I was once told by a fortune cookie that I was "straight forward and > honest". I once got one that said "It would be wise to lower expectations." Best advice I ever got. I passed the advice on by putting it on my office door where anyone entering would see it. SignatureJohn Varela Trade NEWlamps for OLDlamps for email >>> Hi, I'm looking for a rhyme (or nursery rhyme) that commences: >>> "But a child that's born on a new year's day / is ..." [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You and Katy appear to have variant forms of the last line. I learned > "blithe and bonny and good and gay." Probably from a book. These days, so I hear, it's "blithe and bonny and good all day" They don't want to say that Sunday's child will grow up to be gay, obviously. It's neat the way they rhyme "day" with "day" > "CDB" <bellemarec@sympatico.ca> wrote. >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > It's neat the way they rhyme "day" with "day" They could say "good in the hay" for variety. |
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