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What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". > What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the > verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". I'd rather be nursed than doctored.  SignatureJames > > What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the > > verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > -- > James But why the verb "doctor" has a negative connotation while "nurse" is mostly positive? Is more education perverting? >>> What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the >>> verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > But why the verb "doctor" has a negative connotation while "nurse" is > mostly positive? Is more education perverting? No, I think it's because "doctor" has acquired a connotation of an amateur meddling with something in hopes of fixing it or improving it by the addition of something (like doctoring a drink to make it more powerfully alcoholic) and "nurse" has the connotation of treating something slowly and cautiously. SignatureCheryl >>>> What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the >>>> verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > powerfully alcoholic) and "nurse" has the connotation of treating > something slowly and cautiously. Plus "nursing" makes men think about breasts (if there were any who weren't thinking about them already) and this puts half the population in a very positive mood. SignatureRob Bannister >>>>> What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the >>>>> verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> powerfully alcoholic) and "nurse" has the connotation of treating >> something slowly and cautiously. > Plus "nursing" makes men think about breasts (if there were any who > weren't thinking about them already) and this puts half the population > in a very positive mood. Not often used in this sense in BrE. With best wishes, Peter. SignaturePeter Young, (BrE, RP), Consultant Anaesthetist, 1975-2004. (US equivalent: Certified Anesthesiologist) Cheltenham and Gloucester, UK. Now happily retired. http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk >> Plus "nursing" makes men think about breasts (if there were any who >> weren't thinking about them already) and this puts half the population >> in a very positive mood. > >Not often used in this sense in BrE. Used quite a lot in this sense by mums who are still nursing their children. SignatureI can't control the kittens. Too many whiskers! Too many whiskers! http://sleeptalkinman.blogspot.com/ >>> Plus "nursing" makes men think about breasts (if there were any who >>> weren't thinking about them already) and this puts half the population >>> in a very positive mood. >> >>Not often used in this sense in BrE. > Used quite a lot in this sense by mums who are still nursing their > children. A regional thing? I spent quite a lot of my professional life in and around the obstetric department, and I don't ever remember a Gloucestershire person using the word in this sense. I've seen it a lot in US literature, though. With best wishes, Peter. SignaturePeter Young, (BrE, RP), Consultant Anaesthetist, 1975-2004. (US equivalent: Certified Anesthesiologist) Cheltenham and Gloucester, UK. Now happily retired. http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk >>>> Plus "nursing" makes men think about breasts (if there were any who >>>> weren't thinking about them already) and this puts half the population [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Gloucestershire person using the word in this sense. I've seen it a >lot in US literature, though. I'm nervous about coming between a doctor and a nurse in this conversation. However ... My understanding of the phrase "nursing mother" is that it describes a postnatal status. A "nursing mother" is one who is in the breastfeeding stage of caring for her baby. I don't know when I met the phrase but I'm sure it was decades ago. I would not have got it from US sources. It was in use in England. It is a phrase that is in my passive vocabulary. I would understand it but not use it. I have no idea when I last heard it. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >>>>> Plus "nursing" makes men think about breasts (if there were any who >>>>> weren't thinking about them already) and this puts half the population [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > phrase that is in my passive vocabulary. I would understand it but not > use it. I have no idea when I last heard it. A Google search, for what it's worth: "nursing mothers" site:uk about 19,900 "breastfeeding mothers" site:uk about 23,700 SignatureJames Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote, in <8si3l5p2a49sjv8iu8ijsa4qtf32g5pda9@4ax.com> on Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:41:02 +0000: > >A regional thing? I spent quite a lot of my professional life in and > >around the obstetric department, and I don't ever remember a [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > phrase that is in my passive vocabulary. I would understand it but not > use it. I have no idea when I last heard it. My experience is the same as yours. SignatureNick Spalding BrE/IrE >I would understand it but not >> use it. Usual exception: If someone introduced the phrase into a conversation I would use it during that conversation. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >>>> Plus "nursing" makes men think about breasts (if there were any who >>>> weren't thinking about them already) and this puts half the population [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Gloucestershire person using the word in this sense. I've seen it a >lot in US literature, though. When were you last in conversation, though, with women who are breastfeeding now? We (okay, I include myself although YB hasn't nursed for a little over two years now) talk about "nursing to sleep" as well as talking about both breastfeeding and nursing in the same sentence. SignatureI can't control the kittens. Too many whiskers! Too many whiskers! http://sleeptalkinman.blogspot.com/ >>>>> Plus "nursing" makes men think about breasts (if there were any who >>>>> weren't thinking about them already) and this puts half the population [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >>Gloucestershire person using the word in this sense. I've seen it a >>lot in US literature, though. > When were you last in conversation, though, with women who are > breastfeeding now? We (okay, I include myself although YB hasn't > nursed for a little over two years now) talk about "nursing to sleep" > as well as talking about both breastfeeding and nursing in the same > sentence. Very recently, as it happens! The granddaughter is three months old in two days' time, and the daughter always says "breastfeeding" rather than "nursing". Also, the cafe below the maternity unit has a notice "You are welcome to breastfeed here". I can only repeat that I've never, as far as I can remember, heard anyone in this part of the UK to use nursing in the sense of breastfeeding. Regional differences persist, I'm glad to say. With best wishes, Peter. SignaturePeter Young, (BrE, RP), Consultant Anaesthetist, 1975-2004. (US equivalent: Certified Anesthesiologist) Cheltenham and Gloucester, UK. Now happily retired. http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk >>>> What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the >>>> verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >powerfully alcoholic) and "nurse" has the connotation of treating >something slowly and cautiously. Nurses nurse and doctors heal, so all that is left for the verb "doctor" are negative connotations. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE > > What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the > > verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". . . . > But why the verb "doctor" has a negative connotation while "nurse" is > mostly positive? Is more education perverting? 1. In the medical professions, only doctors are permitted to diagnose a disease and prescribe controlled drugs. Nursing connotes care to promote recovery, and nurses seem more experienced and capable in this sort of care than doctors. 2. The negative connotation of the verb "doctor" derives from a twice-borrowed metaphor. Broadway slang of the 1920s coined "script doctor" for a playwright skilled in diagnosing the faults of a new play, and rewriting it so that it may become a hit. In the 1980s (?) US politicians' PR aides adopted the term "spin doctor" to mean someone skilled in making bad news seem good. This metaphor became so familiar that the verbs doctor and spin acquired the secondary meaning of misrepresentation = false advertising = lying, SignatureDon Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) >>> What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the >>> verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > so familiar that the verbs doctor and spin acquired the secondary > meaning of misrepresentation = false advertising = lying, OED indicates that the negative connoatation arose much earlier: 3. fig. To treat so as to alter the appearance, flavour, or character of; to disguise, falsify, tamper with, adulterate, sophisticate, ‘cook’. 1774 FOOTE Cozeners III. Wks. 1799 II. 188, I wish we had time though to doctor his face. 1820 Edin. Rev. XXXIII. 138 Directions for..doctoring all sorts of wines. 1847 DE QUINCEY Sp. Mil. Nun xxi. (1853) 66 Modes of doctoring dice. 1866 Pall Mall G. 3 Jan., A serious doubt arises..as to the trustworthiness of..the narratives thus doctored. 1884 St. James's Gaz. 5 Dec. 6/1 By a few touches of a file on the milled edge, a coin can be so ‘doctored’ as to fall almost invariably heads or tails at will. SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) >>>> What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the >>>> verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". >>> But why the verb "doctor" has a negative connotation while "nurse" is >>> mostly positive? Is more education perverting? > OED indicates that the negative connotation arose much earlier: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Gaz. 5 Dec. 6/1 By a few touches of a file on the milled edge, a coin > can be so ‘doctored’ as to fall almost invariably heads or tails at will. All the more reason to go back to calling "doctors" "medical practitioners" or "physicians," especially since most of them in the British-connected world don't have doctorates, and the so-called "MD" degrees in the US are not significantly different from the non-doctorate medical qualifications of their counterparts in the UK, Australia, etc. Where are their doctoral dissertations? Perce >>>> What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the >>>> verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Gaz. 5 Dec. 6/1 By a few touches of a file on the milled edge, a coin >can be so ‘doctored’ as to fall almost invariably heads or tails at will. I have often (well, sometimes... well, at least once) reflected on the odd relationship between the nouns doctor and vet, and the experience of being doctored or vetted. "Doctored" is sometimes used as a euphemism for various forms of sterilisation, some of them unpleasant; vets are more likely to carry out these procedures, and doctors are more likely (occasionally) to do things that might be described as vetting. Katy > [ ... ] > I have often (well, sometimes... well, at least once) reflected on the odd > relationship between the nouns doctor and vet, and the experience of being > doctored or vetted. "Doctored" is sometimes used as a euphemism for various > forms of sterilisation, some of them unpleasant; vets are more likely to carry > out these procedures, and doctors are more likely (occasionally) to do things > that might be described as vetting. At last someone has mentioned what seems to have the the _only_ way I heard "doctor" used as a verb WIWAL. I thought no one was going to say this. A doctored cat or dog is a castrated or spayed cat or dog. Signatureathel >> [ ... ] > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >heard "doctor" used as a verb WIWAL. I thought no one was going to say >this. A doctored cat or dog is a castrated or spayed cat or dog. Photographs, reports, evidence and things like that aren't doctored up in your area? SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>> [ ... ] >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Photographs, reports, evidence and things like that aren't doctored up > in your area? Now, yes, but I said WIWAL. Signatureathel >> [ ... ] >> I have often (well, sometimes... well, at least once) reflected on the odd >> relationship between the nouns doctor and vet, and the experience of being [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> things >> that might be described as vetting. > At last someone has mentioned what seems to have the the _only_ way I > heard "doctor" used as a verb WIWAL. I thought no one was going to say > this. A doctored cat or dog is a castrated or spayed cat or dog. At last? I did mention this two days ago! [quote] > Certainly in BrE, the verb "doctor" can signify castration, which > might just be the origin of the pejorative sense. > Years ago, when the term "positive vetting" in the security services > was being bandied around, a veterinary surgeon wrote a letter to The > Times (of London) objecting to this use of the verb "vet", and > suggesting that the Ottoman Empire had its priorities right. Instead > of vetting their public servants, they doctored them. [unquote] I have found that not all messages in this group get here, so perhaps this one didn't get to Athel? With best wishes, Peter. SignaturePeter Young, (BrE, RP), Consultant Anaesthetist, 1975-2004. (US equivalent: Certified Anesthesiologist) Cheltenham and Gloucester, UK. Now happily retired. http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk >>> [ ... ] > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > At last? I did mention this two days ago! I was reading the thread in the order that my newreader listed the messages, which meant that I read Katy's before I read yours, and by then I'd read many that didn't mention what seemed to me the commonest meaning. Immediately after posting I realized that you had indeed mentioned this, but it was too late to cancel my comment. (Maybe not: I don't know if my newreader allows me to cancel postings: it's not something I usually want to do.) > [quote] > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Peter. Signatureathel >>> What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the >>> verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> -- >> James > But why the verb "doctor" has a negative connotation while "nurse" is > mostly positive? Is more education perverting? Certainly in BrE, the verb "doctor" can signify castration, which might just be the origin of the pejorative sense. Years ago, when the term "positive vetting" in the security services was being bandied around, a veterinary surgeon wrote a letter to The Times (of London) objecting to this use of the verb "vet", and suggesting that the Ottoman Empire had its priorities right. Instead of vetting their public servants, they doctored them. With best wishes, Peter. SignaturePeter Young, (BrE, RP), Consultant Anaesthetist, 1975-2004. (US equivalent: Certified Anesthesiologist) Cheltenham and Gloucester, UK. Now happily retired. http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk >>> What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the >>> verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > But why the verb "doctor" has a negative connotation while "nurse" is > mostly positive? Is more education perverting? Not necessarily, but the connotations of the verb reflect the fact that a doctor does learn the skills required to alter a person's state, which may involve manipulation and tampering (not to mention castration). A nurse, on the other hand, is etymologically a feeder, providing nutrition and tender loving care. This is often necessary after the doctor has done his bit. SignatureJames >> What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the >> verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". > >I'd rather be nursed than doctored. I might have said that twenty years ago.... Signature************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * >>> What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the >>> verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". >> I'd rather be nursed than doctored. > > I might have said that twenty years ago.... You mean you wish you'd said it? Another interesting difference between doctor and nurse is seen in the disappearing comma in a film title. First came "What's Up, Doc?" That was followed by a cheap British sex comedy called "What's Up Nurse?" SignatureJames [...] > Another interesting difference between doctor and nurse is seen in the > disappearing comma in a film title. First came "What's Up, Doc?" That > was followed by a cheap British sex comedy called "What's Up Nurse?" Doc? SignatureLes (BrE) >>>> What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the >>>> verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >You mean you wish you'd said it? I mean that twenty years ago nurses were almost always female. Today half the nurses I run into are male. Signature************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * >>>> What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the >>>> verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >disappearing comma in a film title. First came "What's Up, Doc?" That >was followed by a cheap British sex comedy called "What's Up Nurse?" Was "What's up, Doc?" a Bugs Bunny cartoon? Signature************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * >>>>> What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is >>>>> the verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Was "What's up, Doc?" a Bugs Bunny cartoon? The one I meant was a Peter Bogdanovich film with Ryan O'Neal and Barbra Streisand. I don't think I ever saw what was up nurse. The distinguished cast included John Le Mesurier, Graham Stark and Andrew Sachs. The nurse was played by Felicity Devonshire. SignatureJames >>Another interesting difference between doctor and nurse is seen in >>the disappearing comma in a film title. First came "What's Up, Doc?" >>That was followed by a cheap British sex comedy called "What's Up >>Nurse?" > > Was "What's up, Doc?" a Bugs Bunny cartoon? Originally (1950, although the phrase, as associated with Bugs, is older, probably back to his first appearance in 1940). There was also a 1972 film (one of my absolute favorites) with Barbara Streisand and Ryan O'Neal, which showed a bit of the cartoon. _What's Up Nurse!_ is listed by IMDB as 1977. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |When you're ready to break a rule, 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |you _know_ that you're ready; you Palo Alto, CA 94304 |don't need anyone else to tell |you. (If you're not that certain, kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com |then you're _not_ ready.) (650)857-7572 | Tom Phoenix http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ <snip> >There was also >a 1972 film (one of my absolute favorites) with Barbara Streisand and >Ryan O'Neal Was it better than Gone With the Wind, Doctor Zhivago or Moby Dick? SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Was it better than Gone With the Wind, Doctor Zhivago or Moby Dick? Subjectively, I enjoyed it more (I haven't seen Moby Dick), but I like comedies. I've seen it a number of times now, and it's one of the only movies that is guaranteed to make me laugh out loud and is likely to leave me laughing so hard I get tears. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |Giving money and power to government 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |is like giving whiskey and car keys Palo Alto, CA 94304 |to teenage boys. | P.J. O'Rourke kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ >>>Another interesting difference between doctor and nurse is seen in the >>>disappearing comma in a film title. First came "What's Up, Doc?" That [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > 1972 film (one of my absolute favorites) with Barbara Streisand and Ryan > O'Neal, which showed a bit of the cartoon. I may have previously mentioned that I'm a sucker for films in which the musicologist gets the girl. The list is, for some unfathomable reason, quite short. SignatureRoland Hutchinson He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba," ... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy. --Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ ) >>>> Another interesting difference between doctor and nurse is seen in >>>> the disappearing comma in a film title. First came "What's Up, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > The list is, for some unfathomable reason, quite short. Just like real life, eh? SignatureRay UK >>>>> Another interesting difference between doctor and nurse is seen in >>>>> the disappearing comma in a film title. First came "What's Up, Doc?" [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Just like real life, eh? Even better than real life. It's the movies, innit. SignatureRoland Hutchinson He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba," ... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy. --Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ ) >>>>> What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the >>>>> verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Was "What's up, Doc?" a Bugs Bunny cartoon? In many Bug Bunny cartoons, it was the question BB often asked of Elmer Fudd, I think he was. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE >>>> What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the >>>> verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >disappearing comma in a film title. First came "What's Up, Doc?" That >was followed by a cheap British sex comedy called "What's Up Nurse?" Without the missing comma there would be no irony in the title. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE > What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the > verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". A doctor diagnoses illnesses and prescribes courses of treatment. A nurse does the day-to-day caring for the patient. So "to doctor" (a slightly unusual term) would be to diagnose and administer treatment, although I think I've heard it used by extension to mean to poke around at a piece of machinery in an attempt to fix it, and also to alter something, such as to doctor the punch by adding brandy. "To nurse" means to care for something or someone in a more hands-on way than either by diagnosing or fixing. You nurse a patient by giving medications, washing, bandaging etc. You nurse your own painful ankle by not walking on it. And of course, nursing a baby usually means breast-feeding it, but a nurse in charge of children may, in some contexts, be a baby-sitter and not a wet-nurse at all. There are lots of other ways to use the words in any dictionary. SignatureCheryl >> What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the >> verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". > >A doctor diagnoses illnesses and prescribes courses of treatment. A >nurse does the day-to-day caring for the patient. So "to doctor" (a >slightly unusual term) Not really that unusual. In photography we often speak of "doctored" photos or "to doctor up" a photo with Photoshop. >would be to diagnose and administer treatment, >although I think I've heard it used by extension to mean to poke around >at a piece of machinery in an attempt to fix it, and also to alter >something, such as to doctor the punch by adding brandy. > SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >A doctor diagnoses illnesses and prescribes courses of treatment. A >nurse does the day-to-day caring for the patient. Due to the doctor shortage in an ever-aging world, nurses are being allowed to prescribe some basic, and some not-so-basic, medications in more and more parts of the world, Ireland included. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE >> A doctor diagnoses illnesses and prescribes courses of treatment. A >> nurse does the day-to-day caring for the patient. > Due to the doctor shortage in an ever-aging world, nurses are being > allowed to prescribe some basic, and some not-so-basic, medications in > more and more parts of the world, Ireland included. In the USA new categories of nurse are multiplying. In addition to RN (Registered Nurse), we now have: LPN (Licensed Practical Nurse); LVN (Licensed Vocational Nurse, the Texas and California version of LPN); CNA (Certified Nurse Assistant); NP (Nurse Practitioner, an upgrade from an RN); and no doubt others. And then there is the PA (Physician's Assistant) Perce >>> A doctor diagnoses illnesses and prescribes courses of treatment. >>> A [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > And then there is the PA (Physician's Assistant) Yes. NAs and PAs are allowed to prescribe. They also do some diagnoses, but that work is done with approval of a supervising doctor, I believe. That is, the doctors may give them blanket approval to diagnose, but perhaps put limits on the scope or nature of the ailments they can diagnose, trusting that the PAs and NAs will seek them or other doctors for assistance in complicated cases. In emergent* situations, I think they are free agents, just like any Good Samaritan. *re our earlier threads on this emerging usage. >>>> A doctor diagnoses illnesses and prescribes courses of treatment. >>>> A nurse does the day-to-day caring for the patient. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > *re our earlier threads on this emerging usage. My wife's "doctor" is an NP. She diagnoses, treats, and prescribes. She also refers her patients to specialists, when required. SignatureSkitt (AmE) >>>>> A doctor diagnoses illnesses and prescribes courses of >>>>> treatment. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > My wife's "doctor" is an NP. She diagnoses, treats, and prescribes. > She also refers her patients to specialists, when required. Oops! I meant NP and PA. My niece works in a clinic as a PA. She certainly relieves the workload for the doctors. I think that, after 10 years in that clinic, she is much trusted for a high level of responsibility. And, of course, she has continuing education credits up the wazoo. >>>>> A doctor diagnoses illnesses and prescribes courses of treatment. >>>>> A nurse does the day-to-day caring for the patient. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >My wife's "doctor" is an NP. She diagnoses, treats, and prescribes. Is no doctor involved in this process? >She also refers her patients to specialists, when required. That "when required" is what would spook me. She hasn't received the formal training a doctor has, after all. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE > "Skitt" wrote: >> My wife's "doctor" is an NP. She diagnoses, treats, and prescribes. > > Is no doctor involved in this process? Right -- no doctor. >> She also refers her patients to specialists, when required. > > That "when required" is what would spook me. She hasn't received the > formal training a doctor has, after all. Hmm, I think her training (and experience) is quite extensive, though. SignatureSkitt (AmE) >> "Skitt" wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Hmm, I think her training (and experience) is quite extensive, though. I don't doubt it, but amateurs sometimes bite off more than they can chew. She might overlook the need for a referral. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE > >>> My wife's "doctor" is an NP. She diagnoses, treats, and prescribes. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I don't doubt it, but amateurs sometimes bite off more than they can > chew. She might overlook the need for a referral. A Nurse Practitioner is far from an amateur. It's 3-4 times as much training to become a NP as to become a licensed practical nurse. A potential NP needs to complete all the RN credential and pass that exam, then complete the BSN if their RN certification was via associate's degree. The the candidate has to complete postgraduate training--the minimum used to be a Masters of Science in Nursing, but in the US a Doctor of Nursing Practice degree or the equivalent is now required or will be in the next few years. Then there are both state licensing and national board certification procedures before practice as an NP can begin. >> >>> My wife's "doctor" is an NP. She diagnoses, treats, and prescribes. >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >Then there are both state licensing and national board certification >procedures before practice as an NP can begin. Yesterday, I looked at "Nurse Practitioner" and thought "Practical Nurse". My mistake. From your explanation, above, I see there are some major differences. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE >>>> My wife's "doctor" is an NP. She diagnoses, treats, and >>>> prescribes. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I don't doubt it, but amateurs sometimes bite off more than they can > chew. She might overlook the need for a referral. As might a GP. Anyway, see what "sjdevnull@yahoo.com" wrote in answer to you. SignatureSkitt (AmE) >> My wife's "doctor" is an NP. She diagnoses, treats, and prescribes. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > That "when required" is what would spook me. She hasn't received the > formal training a doctor has, after all. Whenever my GP has referred me to a specialist, I've had the impression that he picks the specialist on the basis of whether he's played golf with him. Would a NP have the necessary golfing experience to know who is in the old boys' club? SignaturePeter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org For an e-mail address, see my web page. >>> My wife's "doctor" is an NP. She diagnoses, treats, and prescribes. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > played golf with him. Would a NP have the necessary golfing > experience to know who is in the old boys' club? Probably not, but all our activities are at an HMO facility (Kaiser Permanente). SignatureSkitt (AmE) >>> My wife's "doctor" is an NP. She diagnoses, treats, and prescribes. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> That "when required" is what would spook me. She hasn't received the >> formal training a doctor has, after all. > Whenever my GP has referred me to a specialist, I've had the impression > that he picks the specialist on the basis of whether he's played golf > with him. Would a NP have the necessary golfing experience to know who > is in the old boys' club? Here in the good old USA, with "the best health-care system in the world," GPs refer patients to specialists based on whether that specialist accepts that patient's health-insurance plan. Perce >>>> My wife's "doctor" is an NP. She diagnoses, treats, and prescribes. >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >world," GPs refer patients to specialists based on whether that >specialist accepts that patient's health-insurance plan. That hasn't been my experience. When I have been referred to a specialist I've been given more than one name to choose from. It's up to me to check with my insurance provider to see if the doctor is on the list. Or, I can carry in a book provided by my insurance provider with a list of "approved" doctors and ask my primary care provider to pick from that list. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >> Here in the good old USA, with "the best health-care system in the >> world," GPs refer patients to specialists based on whether that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > with a list of "approved" doctors and ask my primary care provider to > pick from that list. UK health insurers don't nominate doctors - they nominate private hospitals, where you will see a doctor who is (or has been) an NHS Consultant (the highest grade for a UK hospital doctor). In practice, unless you live in London, all private hospitals are covered by most policies. SignatureDavid >>> Here in the good old USA, with "the best health-care system in the >>> world," GPs refer patients to specialists based on whether that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> with a list of "approved" doctors and ask my primary care provider to >> pick from that list. > UK health insurers don't nominate doctors - they nominate private > hospitals, where you will see a doctor who is (or has been) an NHS > Consultant (the highest grade for a UK hospital doctor). In practice, > unless you live in London, all private hospitals are covered by most > policies. With the proviso that there is a difference of opinion between the medical profession and the insurance companies about the worth of the doctor's professional skill. Increasingly there is a shortfall in the amount the companies will pay for medical fees. In British law, the contract is between the patient and the doctor(s), not between the patient and the company, and many people end up out-of-pocket. With best wishes, Peter (who kept out of private practice as much as possible). SignaturePeter Young, (BrE, RP), Consultant Anaesthetist, 1975-2004. (US equivalent: Certified Anesthesiologist) Cheltenham and Gloucester, UK. Now happily retired. http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk >>>> My wife's "doctor" is an NP. She diagnoses, treats, and prescribes. >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >world," GPs refer patients to specialists based on whether that >specialist accepts that patient's health-insurance plan. Life is simpler, here. (ObAUE: Did I need that comma?) SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE > "Percival P. Cassidy" wrote: >>> Whenever my GP has referred me to a specialist, I've had the >>> impression that he picks the specialist on the basis of whether [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Life is simpler, here. (ObAUE: Did I need that comma?) About the comma -- I don't think so. SignatureSkitt (AmE) >> "Percival P. Cassidy" wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >About the comma -- I don't think so. I don't see why. Isn't "here" an adverb that modifies "Life", but which has nothing to do with "simpler"? SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE >>>>> Whenever my GP has referred me to a specialist, I've had the >>>>> impression that he picks the specialist on the basis of whether [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I don't see why. Isn't "here" an adverb that modifies "Life", but > which has nothing to do with "simpler"? To tell you the truth, I don't really analyze things very much. I use sort of a feeling of what is right. To me, this is a natural sentence with no need for separation for the "here" from the rest. In fact, I think a comma there is downright wrong. As far as I can tell, the examples in M-W Online concur. SignatureSkitt (AmE) >>>>>> Whenever my GP has referred me to a specialist, I've had the >>>>>> impression that he picks the specialist on the basis of whether [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > In fact, I think a comma there is downright wrong. As far as I can > tell, the examples in M-W Online concur. I see two possible emphases in the sentence: It's important that I point out life is simpler in many places, but particularly in our location (with comma) It's important I point out that life is simpler where we are (comma-free) SignatureFrank ess >>>>>>> Whenever my GP has referred me to a specialist, I've had the >>>>>>> impression that he picks the specialist on the basis of whether [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >It's important I point out that life is simpler where we are >(comma-free) Since I intended to convey the second of those meanings, my comma should go, by your analysis. I'm glad you straightened things out, Frank. Two points for you, Skitt. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE >>> My wife's "doctor" is an NP. She diagnoses, treats, and prescribes. >> Is no doctor involved in this process? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > with him. Would a NP have the necessary golfing experience to know who > is in the old boys' club? Three years ago, my doctor of over 20 years retired and I had to find a new one. I now have a female doctor. She doesn't play golf, so I'm not at all sure how sound her selection of specialists can be. SignatureRob Bannister >>>> A doctor diagnoses illnesses and prescribes courses of treatment. >>>> A [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >*re our earlier threads on this emerging usage. Since a diagnosis is no more than "I think the patient has such and such", essentially every nurse does that much. But before any action is taken on the nurse's diagnosis, a doctor's concurrence is generally required. With the shortage of doctors, certain types of diagnoses, followed by a doctor's treatment, without the doctor's concurrence on the diagnosis before that treatment, are the coming trend. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE Percival P. Cassidy filted: >In the USA new categories of nurse are multiplying. In addition to RN >(Registered Nurse), we now have: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >And then there is the PA (Physician's Assistant) (Read as Rodney Dangerfield:) "Boy, I tell ya, nowadays they got a nurse for everything! No sooner do I get checked into my room, the shot nurse comes in and gives me a shot. Couple minutes later the pill nurse comes in and gives me a pill. First thing next morning the head nurse comes in, damn near gives me a heart attack!" ....r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? >> A doctor diagnoses illnesses and prescribes courses of treatment. A >> nurse does the day-to-day caring for the patient. > > Due to the doctor shortage in an ever-aging world, nurses are being > allowed to prescribe some basic, and some not-so-basic, medications in > more and more parts of the world, Ireland included. Oh, yes, we call them nurse practitioners. The ones I've heard of have very specialized training - there's extra on top of the RN program, and then, if they're going to work in, say, vascular surgery, they do further training in that. I think in some places they 'specialize' in general care, and work in family practice settings. They've always done that in remote areas, of course, but it's becoming more common in urban areas. SignatureCheryl >>> A doctor diagnoses illnesses and prescribes courses of treatment. A >>> nurse does the day-to-day caring for the patient. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >They've always done that in remote areas, of course, but it's becoming >more common in urban areas. They've always done that in what Henry Kissinger, I think it was, called third-world countries, too, but it's becoming more common in the developed world. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE >What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the >verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". What in the dictionary definitions confuses you? >What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the >verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". Keep in mind that "nurse" has a far wider meaning than just being one of the certfied employees in the health field. It appears to eomc from old roote meaning soething like "nutritious". There are "nurseries" (for children or plants), wet nurses, and so on. Signature************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * >> What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the >> verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > from old roote meaning soething like "nutritious". There are > "nurseries" (for children or plants), wet nurses, and so on. Yes, it comes from Latin "nutrix" a word formed by haplology from an earlier "nutritrix", feminine of "nutritor". SignatureJames Arcadian Rises filted: >What is the difference between "doctor" and "nurse"? that is the >verbs, "to doctor" and "to nurse". "To nurse" has reciprocal meanings (a mother nurses her baby; a baby nurses at the breast) that "to doctor" lacks....r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? |
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