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'dependent' vs. 'defendant'

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analyst41@hotmail.com - 23 Jan 2010 12:45 GMT
Is it just a quirk or is there a reason for the different spellings?

Thanks.
Lars Eighner - 23 Jan 2010 13:10 GMT
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> Is it just a quirk or is there a reason for the different spellings?

Two different words with dissimilar meanings.

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Don Phillipson - 23 Jan 2010 13:11 GMT
> Is it just a quirk or is there a reason for the different spellings?

These different words are spelled differently, reflecting their
different roots DEPEND (=hang from) and DEFEND (=fight.)

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Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 23 Jan 2010 13:31 GMT
Re: 'dependent' vs. 'defendant'

>Is it just a quirk or is there a reason for the different spellings?

It is a quirk of history and custom. The suffixes -ent and -ant have the
same meaning. They are sometimes used to distinguish between a noun and
an adjective, but one cannot look at an unfamiliar word and rely on
making this distinction.

"dependent" is the spelling of the adjective meaning 1. Hanging down,
pendent; 2. That depends on something else; 3. That depends or has to
rely on something else for support, supply, or what is needed; etc.

"dependant" is the spelling of the related noun.

However, "dependent" is an alternative spelling of the noun.

The spelling "defendant" is used for both noun and adjective.
"Defendent" is sometimes used but is considered to be a mis-spelling.

The etymological note in the OED for the suffix "-ent" says:

   In OFr. this suffix and the corresponding -ant-em of the 1st
   conjugation were levelled under -ant, the sole ending of the Fr. pr.
   pple., as riant, courant, mourant, levant (:L. levantem). At a later
   time many L. forms in -ent-, which had acquired an adj. sense, were
   adopted in Fr. as adjs. with the -ent- unchanged, as diligent,
   évident; some of these were duplicates of living ppl. forms in -ant,
   as convénient = convenant, provident = pourvoyant, confident =
   confiant. The Fr. words in -ant, -ent, which were adopted into Eng.,
   have generally retained the form of the suffix which they had in
   Fr.; but since 1500 there has been a tendency to refashion them
   after Lat., and hence several words in -ant have changed that ending
   for -ent, either entirely or in certain senses. In mod.Eng. also
   many Lat. words in -entem have been directly adopted, always in the
   form -ent.

   The conflict between Eng. and Fr. analogies occasions frequent
   inconsistency and uncertainty in the present spelling of words with
   this suffix; cf. e.g. assistant, persistent; attendant,
   superintendent; dependant, -ent, independent.

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analyst41@hotmail.com - 23 Jan 2010 13:35 GMT
On Jan 23, 8:31 am, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net>
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> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:45:28 -0800 (PST), "analys...@hotmail.com"
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> Peter Duncanson, UK
> (in alt.usage.english)

Thanks much.
Mark Brader - 23 Jan 2010 16:11 GMT
Peter Duncanson:
> It is a quirk of history and custom. The suffixes -ent and -ant have the
> same meaning. ...

> "dependent" is the spelling of the adjective meaning 1. Hanging down,
> pendent; 2. That depends on something else; 3. That depends or has to
> rely on something else for support, supply, or what is needed; etc.
>
> "dependant" is the spelling of the related noun.
> However, "dependent" is an alternative spelling of the noun.

Specifically, that is the American spelling of the noun.

> The spelling "defendant" is used for both noun and adjective.
> "Defendent" is sometimes used but is considered to be a mis-spelling.

I don't think I've ever come across this word as an adjective.
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Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 23 Jan 2010 17:39 GMT
>Peter Duncanson:
>> It is a quirk of history and custom. The suffixes -ent and -ant have the
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>I don't think I've ever come across this word as an adjective.

OED gives examples of the use of "defendant" as an adjective. I think
that if I'd been asked to describe the function of that word in them I
would have said that it was an appositive noun except perhaps in the
1682 instance:

   1596 Foxe's A. & M. 658/2 The defendant part was driven for a while
   to keepe silence.

   1598 HAKLUYT Voy. I. 240 (R.) Then commeth an officer and arresteth
   the party defendant.

   1682 DRYDEN King & Queen Epil. 16 'Tis just like puss defendant in a
   gutter.

   1896 Daily News 24 Nov. 5/7 Detailing my instructions to the
   defendant surgeon.

   1907 Westm. Gaz. 6 Dec. 9/1 The defendant directors.

   1924 Pocket Oxf. Dict. s.v., The defendant company.

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Robert Bannister - 24 Jan 2010 02:00 GMT
>     The conflict between Eng. and Fr. analogies occasions frequent
>     inconsistency and uncertainty in the present spelling of words with
>     this suffix; cf. e.g. assistant, persistent; attendant,
>     superintendent; dependant, -ent, independent.

I had no problem with this quirk of English spelling until I started
learning French, but now I almost give up at times.
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Steve Hayes - 24 Jan 2010 19:10 GMT
>Is it just a quirk or is there a reason for the different spellings?

The reason for the different spellings is that they are different words.

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