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Berkeley Brett - 25 Jan 2010 10:52 GMT
Yes, it's a bit OT, but since this is a bibliophilic group to some
degree....

What do YOU do with the dust jackets of books?

Frankly, I am not a big fan of dust jackets.  Yet I do feel as if I'm
doing something wrong in throwing the really well-designed dust
jackets away.

Any thoughts on this?

Thanks in advance for your reply.

(Additional resource):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_jacket

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Eric Walker - 25 Jan 2010 11:37 GMT
> Yes, it's a bit OT, but since this is a bibliophilic group to some
> degree....
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Any thoughts on this?

To collectors, the presence or absence of a dust jacket has a huge effect
on the value of a book.  To those of us who buy books to read and keep,
to retain the dust jacket is, I feel, to be like those dim-witted
housewives who retain the store-provided plastic covers on lampshades.

There are occasional exceptions.  An important edition of _Lord of the
Rings_ placed a large map on the inside surface of the dust jacket; it
was a cheapjack trick, but it makes the DJ essential.  And yes, on
occasion a DJ is so gorgeous that one wants to retain it, though my
inclination in those very few cases (which, I must admit, I have yet to
put in effect) is to remove the DJ, frame it, and hang it as wall decor.

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Wood Avens - 25 Jan 2010 12:14 GMT
>> Yes, it's a bit OT, but since this is a bibliophilic group to some
>> degree....
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>To collectors, the presence or absence of a dust jacket has a huge effect
>on the value of a book.  

I'm working on a time machine: when it's up and running I'll pop back
and save the dust covers of my first-edition C S Lewises, and the
LOTR.

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Mike Barnes - 25 Jan 2010 11:45 GMT
Berkeley Brett <royaloui@gmail.com>:
>What do YOU do with the dust jackets of books?

I put them straight into the recycling bin.

>Frankly, I am not a big fan of dust jackets.  Yet I do feel as if I'm
>doing something wrong in throwing the really well-designed dust
>jackets away.

I don't give it a second thought.

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LFS - 25 Jan 2010 12:32 GMT
> Berkeley Brett <royaloui@gmail.com>:
>> What do YOU do with the dust jackets of books?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> I don't give it a second thought.

I'm astonished! Dust jackets are a fascinating source of information,
about authors and about publishing and marketing practice. Books with
intact dust jackets generally carry a higher second-hand value. Some are
highly prized for design and illustration.

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Mike Barnes - 25 Jan 2010 15:53 GMT
LFS <laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk>:
>> Berkeley Brett <royaloui@gmail.com>:
>>> What do YOU do with the dust jackets of books?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>I'm astonished! Dust jackets are a fascinating source of information,
>about authors and about publishing and marketing practice.

I might occasionally read one before discarding it. I've never felt the
need to read one again. Perhaps that's because I've little interest in
authors or in publishing and marketing practice. The dust jacket is
simply an unnecessary encumbrance.

>Books with intact dust jackets generally carry a higher second-hand
>value. Some are highly prized for design and illustration.

The resale value of a book is of no interest to me.

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James Silverton - 25 Jan 2010 18:38 GMT
Mike  wrote  on Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:53:44 +0000:

> LFS <laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk>:
>>> Berkeley Brett <royaloui@gmail.com>:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> information, about authors and about publishing and marketing
>> practice.

> I might occasionally read one before discarding it. I've never
> felt the need to read one again. Perhaps that's because I've
> little interest in authors or in publishing and marketing
> practice. The dust jacket is simply an unnecessary
> encumbrance.

>> Books with intact dust jackets generally carry a higher
>> second-hand value. Some are highly prized for design and
>> illustration.

> The resale value of a book is of no interest to me.

I wonder sometimes about the values placed on signed, jacketed, first
editions of books, even detective stories. Do people collect these
things and store them away in hopes of appreciated value? Still, I
wonder about intrinsic value, like in the very beautiful drawing, "La
Bella Principessa", that is being ascribed to Leonardo and will fetch
millions if it is accepted as real but only a few thousand if it comes
from his studio. It will still be the same picture whichever it is.

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Murray Arnow - 25 Jan 2010 18:53 GMT
> Mike  wrote:
>> The resale value of a book is of no interest to me.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>millions if it is accepted as real but only a few thousand if it comes
>from his studio. It will still be the same picture whichever it is.

I can answer for myself why a dust jacket may have value. I like to buy
out-of-print books as part of my reference library. I don't like
paperback reprints and am willing to pay for the hardcover originals.
Many of the better-condition books still have their dust jackets.
Although, I don't it make it a requirement, I will select the
dust-jacket copy in preference to a jacketless copy when their prices
are the same or very near the same.
Wood Avens - 25 Jan 2010 16:43 GMT
>> Berkeley Brett <royaloui@gmail.com>:
>>> What do YOU do with the dust jackets of books?
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>intact dust jackets generally carry a higher second-hand value. Some are
>highly prized for design and illustration.

But not only that, the flaps serve as handy built-in bookmarks.

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Adam Funk - 25 Jan 2010 22:58 GMT
>>I'm astonished! Dust jackets are a fascinating source of information,
>>about authors and about publishing and marketing practice. Books with
>>intact dust jackets generally carry a higher second-hand value. Some are
>>highly prized for design and illustration.
>
> But not only that, the flaps serve as handy built-in bookmarks.

Not for me.  And I find it really awkward to look through a book while
trying to preserve the placed of someone else's "built-in bookmark".

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Mike Barnes - 25 Jan 2010 23:21 GMT
Wood Avens <woodavens@askjennison.com>:
>>Dust jackets are a fascinating source of information,
>>about authors and about publishing and marketing practice. Books with
>>intact dust jackets generally carry a higher second-hand value. Some are
>>highly prized for design and illustration.
>
>But not only that, the flaps serve as handy built-in bookmarks.

Handy, yes, but a post-it note (©, ®, whatever) works better and is not
usually hard to come by.

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erilar - 26 Jan 2010 16:44 GMT
> Wood Avens <woodavens@askjennison.com>:
> >>Dust jackets are a fascinating source of information,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Handy, yes, but a post-it note (©, ®, whatever) works better and is not
> usually hard to come by.

Sometimes the book is too thick or the flap too stiff(this is true of a
couple art paperbacks I have).  I keep one in the car for reading while
waiting somewhere such as a doctor's office and my bookmark kept falling
out. A paperclip works nicely, too.

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John - 26 Jan 2010 22:36 GMT
I read the books in their original Dust Jacket if possible. That being
said, care must still be taken when handling them as they're usually
relatively fragile.
Frank ess - 26 Jan 2010 23:27 GMT
> I read the books in their original Dust Jacket if possible. That
> being said, care must still be taken when handling them as they're
> usually relatively fragile.

Reading them in their jackets is my practice, as well, for reference
books. They are shelved in jackets as there is little chance I'll sell
them on. Some of these come to me with plastic protectors already
installed.

Some other kinds of books, especially those with collector potential,
I shelve bare and store the jackets in a large flat file, along with
posters and such-like.

Books on shelves are arranged alphabetically by subject within
non-fiction categories, author's last name in fiction. When possible;
oversize seems to be a new standard for many of my interests, so the
lower shelves (for heavier books - this is earthquake country) are
becoming a jumble of subjects. Except that when we put a couple of
nice oak shelves in the living room, all the volumes with gold
lettering on the spines seemed to end up there.

Wal-Mart sells a clear, flexible 54-inch-wide plastic sheet, by the
yard. I cut a twelve-inch-wide piece the length each shelf and lay it
on top of the books. For shelves with uneven content, such as trophies
and software boxes, I have hung a sheet of the plastic from the shelf
above. Doesn't eliminate all the dust, but certainly helps, especially
in the "den" which is essentially an elaborately-enclosed patio with
flow-through ventilation from the street, by way of the garage.

Just looking around I can see a couple hundred books in stacks. No
telling when they will find shelf space in this already-crowded
"library".

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Mark Brader - 30 Jan 2010 09:41 GMT
Katy Jennison:
>> But not only that, the [dust jacket] flaps serve as handy built-in
>> bookmarks.

Indeed.

> Handy, yes, but a post-it note (©, ®, whatever) works better...

For values of "better" that mean "until it gets left in the book when
someone has finished with it, and over the next few months the glue
comes off onto the pages".

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Adam Funk - 25 Jan 2010 22:56 GMT
>> Berkeley Brett <royaloui@gmail.com>:
>>> What do YOU do with the dust jackets of books?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>>> doing something wrong in throwing the really well-designed dust
>>> jackets away.

I agree.

>> I don't give it a second thought.
>
> I'm astonished! Dust jackets are a fascinating source of information,
> about authors and about publishing and marketing practice. Books with
> intact dust jackets generally carry a higher second-hand value. Some are
> highly prized for design and illustration.

I usually put them in a box file marked "DUST JACKETS" in the study.
I find them extremely annoying, but am irrationally (IMO) reluctant to
throw them away.

(I don't buy books with resale value in mind.)

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Tasha Miller - 27 Jan 2010 09:32 GMT
>> Berkeley Brett <royaloui@gmail.com>:
>>> What do YOU do with the dust jackets of books?
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> intact dust jackets generally carry a higher second-hand value. Some
> are highly prized for design and illustration.

I'm also astonished, and for the same reason.

My husband collect military history books and he carefully removes the dust
jacket when he's reading a book then puts it back on again when it's
reshelved. The price of rare second hand books varies according to the
presence and condition of their dust jacket. Anyway, they are pretty - why
would anyone want to throw them out!
Chuck Riggs - 27 Jan 2010 15:32 GMT
>>> Berkeley Brett <royaloui@gmail.com>:
>>>> What do YOU do with the dust jackets of books?
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>presence and condition of their dust jacket. Anyway, they are pretty - why
>would anyone want to throw them out!

Used stamps, scraped artichoke leaves and obsolete computers are all
pretty, but in the bin they go.
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James Hogg - 27 Jan 2010 15:35 GMT
>>>> Berkeley Brett <royaloui@gmail.com>:
>>>>> What do YOU do with the dust jackets of books?
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Used stamps, scraped artichoke leaves and obsolete computers are all
> pretty, but in the bin they go.

Three separate bins, I hope.

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Chuck Riggs - 28 Jan 2010 12:03 GMT
>>>>> Berkeley Brett <royaloui@gmail.com>:
>>>>>> What do YOU do with the dust jackets of books?
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
>Three separate bins, I hope.

Only when Big Brother is watching me.
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John Varela - 27 Jan 2010 19:19 GMT
> Used stamps, scraped artichoke leaves and obsolete computers are all
> pretty, but in the bin they go.

Scraped artichoke leaves are pretty?

Whatever. Just don't try to run them through the garbage disposal.

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Robert Bannister - 28 Jan 2010 01:54 GMT
>> Used stamps, scraped artichoke leaves and obsolete computers are all
>> pretty, but in the bin they go.
>
> Scraped artichoke leaves are pretty?
>
> Whatever. Just don't try to run them through the garbage disposal.

Danger of losing image of Holy Virgin? She gets everywhere.

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Chuck Riggs - 28 Jan 2010 12:06 GMT
>> Used stamps, scraped artichoke leaves and obsolete computers are all
>> pretty, but in the bin they go.
>
>Scraped artichoke leaves are pretty?

Yes, I like to see the varying patterns of my front teeth on
particularly large leaves.

>Whatever. Just don't try to run them through the garbage disposal.

I wouldn't.
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Reinhold {Rey} Aman - 25 Jan 2010 19:04 GMT
> Berkeley Brett:
>> What do YOU do with the dust jackets of books?
>
> I put them straight into the recycling bin.

Barbarian!  [How's that for being lapidary?]

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Mike Barnes - 25 Jan 2010 19:54 GMT
Reinhold {Rey} Aman <aman@sonic.net>:

>> Berkeley Brett:
>>> What do YOU do with the dust jackets of books?
>>
>> I put them straight into the recycling bin.
>>
>Barbarian!  [How's that for being lapidary?]

I don't imagine that exclamation marks are often inscribed.

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J. J. Lodder - 25 Jan 2010 12:06 GMT
> Yes, it's a bit OT, but since this is a bibliophilic group to some
> degree....
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Any thoughts on this?

A pre-war Penguin book in first edition,
with an undamaged dust jacket
will be worth much more than the same without.
(even though you wouldn't be able
to see the difference at more than a metre distance)

Jan
James Hogg - 25 Jan 2010 12:11 GMT
>> Yes, it's a bit OT, but since this is a bibliophilic group to some
>> degree....
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> (even though you wouldn't be able
> to see the difference at more than a metre distance)

Did Penguins have dust jackets before the war? I thought they'd always
been paperbacks.

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J. J. Lodder - 25 Jan 2010 12:24 GMT
> >> Yes, it's a bit OT, but since this is a bibliophilic group to some
> >> degree....
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Did Penguins have dust jackets before the war? I thought they'd always
> been paperbacks.

They were. They came in a dust jacket
that is identical in appearance to the book it covers.
So Inspector Morse may have them with or without dustjackets.
Impossible to tell the difference on TV.

Don't know when Penguin books stopped giving them.
At a guess, with the scarcity of paper during the war.

Jan
LFS - 25 Jan 2010 12:28 GMT
>>> Yes, it's a bit OT, but since this is a bibliophilic group to some
>>> degree....
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Did Penguins have dust jackets before the war? I thought they'd always
> been paperbacks.

Somewhere I have a copy of a Pelican with a dust jacket (I think it's
Elie Halevy's History of the English People but I haven't seen it for
some time).

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J. J. Lodder - 26 Jan 2010 10:32 GMT
> >>> Yes, it's a bit OT, but since this is a bibliophilic group to some
> >>> degree....
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Elie Halevy's History of the English People but I haven't seen it for
> some time).

Checking I find I own one from 1940, and none later.
It may indeed have been WW II that put a stop to it,

Jan
Murray Arnow - 25 Jan 2010 12:17 GMT
>> Yes, it's a bit OT, but since this is a bibliophilic group to some
>> degree....
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>Jan

As a frequent buyer of used books, I have to support Jan. A
well-preserved dust jacket adds nearly as much to a book's value as does
having unmarked and otherwise defaced pages and covers. So, if you
intend to resell or donate your books, you are well served to keep the
dust jackets.
J. J. Lodder - 26 Jan 2010 10:32 GMT
> >> Yes, it's a bit OT, but since this is a bibliophilic group to some
> >> degree....
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> intend to resell or donate your books, you are well served to keep the
> dust jackets.

No doubt the dust jackets themselves
are also collectibles in some cases,
with the book inside serving as no more than filler.

In the Netherlands the early American paperbacks
(especially the ones with 'realistic' covers)
have become collectibles too.
Since these pocketbooks have become quite fragile by now
they are often sold in shrink wrap,
and will never be unwrapped again.
For those in the know: The paintings of James Avati
have become the most prized ones. [1]

There is even a monograph on him,

Jan

[1]
<http://books.google.com/books?id=11UXGePnpsgC&printsec=frontcover#v=one
page&q=&f=false>
Peter Moylan - 25 Jan 2010 14:21 GMT
> Yes, it's a bit OT, but since this is a bibliophilic group to some
> degree....
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> doing something wrong in throwing the really well-designed dust
> jackets away.

I remove the dustjacket while reading the book, and reinstate it when
putting the book back on the shelf.

Conclusion: dustjackets are utterly useless to readers, but are valuable
to those who collect books without reading them.

(Why would anyone collect books without reading them? I am assured,
though, that such people do exist, and that they will pay more money for
a book than the valuation of someone who has read the book. Like stock
traders, they are willing to put a valuation on something that is
totally unrelated to its intrinsic value.)

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Bertel Lund Hansen - 25 Jan 2010 16:30 GMT
Peter Moylan skrev:

> I remove the dustjacket while reading the book, and reinstate it when
> putting the book back on the shelf.

So do I.

> Conclusion: dustjackets are utterly useless to readers, but are valuable
> to those who collect books without reading them.

I don't quite agree. If I need to find a specific book, it is
easier to recognize the dust jack than to spot a greenish back
among other greenish-brownish-redish backs.

> (Why would anyone collect books without reading them?

Collectors collect. That is their destiny.

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erilar - 25 Jan 2010 16:46 GMT
> Conclusion: dustjackets are utterly useless to readers, but are valuable
> to those who collect books without reading them.

Well, they can make the books easier to find on shelves, since they tend
to be more distinctive than what's under them.

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Steve Hayes - 25 Jan 2010 19:21 GMT
>> Conclusion: dustjackets are utterly useless to readers, but are valuable
>> to those who collect books without reading them.
>
>Well, they can make the books easier to find on shelves, since they tend
>to be more distinctive than what's under them.

Agreed, especially when the books is on the top shelf/

I usually leave them on until they fall apart.

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Robert Bannister - 26 Jan 2010 00:31 GMT
>>> Conclusion: dustjackets are utterly useless to readers, but are valuable
>>> to those who collect books without reading them.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> I usually leave them on until they fall apart.

I often feel an urge to do what the library does and cover the dust
jacket in a protective plastic coating which will then further protect
the book itself. Of course, I have never got round to actually doing
this, so in the end I follow Steve Hayes' method above. Still, I've got
some books in dust jackets that have survived nearly 30 years (because
they're not very interesting books and so don't get read very often).

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erilar - 26 Jan 2010 16:41 GMT
> I often feel an urge to do what the library does and cover the dust
> jacket in a protective plastic coating which will then further protect
> the book itself

Some of my German reference books have covers like that; I kept them at
school and asked the librarian to put protective covers on them for that
reason.

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Robert Bannister - 27 Jan 2010 01:23 GMT
>> I often feel an urge to do what the library does and cover the dust
>> jacket in a protective plastic coating which will then further protect
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> school and asked the librarian to put protective covers on them for that
> reason.

Coincidence? The one book I have covered reasonably well is my Wahrig
dictionary, which lives on the dining room table as its main function is
for supporting my newspaper or book at breakfast and at lunch. (Being a
gentleperson, I do not read at dinner).

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Eric Walker - 26 Jan 2010 01:26 GMT
[...]

> Well, they can make the books easier to find on shelves, since they tend
> to be more distinctive than what's under them.

This could make an interesting side thread: how do the folk here array
their book collections?  Just put 'em in wherever they fit?  Sorted by
size?  By topic?  In order bought?

Our library is divided by general topic (speculative fiction; mystery
fiction; mainstream fiction; science; biography; &c &c); within topic,
alphabetically by author.  It is pretty simple to find any book in very
little time.  It would be simpler yet, but we complicate it a bit by
trying to keep all the works by a given author on one shelf, which
sometimes means sliding a small block out of strict alpha order.

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tony cooper - 26 Jan 2010 01:59 GMT
>[...]
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>their book collections?  Just put 'em in wherever they fit?  Sorted by
>size?  By topic?  In order bought?

Where there's room or where something can be replaced.  The shelves
are full, so adding a book means discarding a book.  No order.

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Garrett Wollman - 26 Jan 2010 03:52 GMT
>This could make an interesting side thread: how do the folk here array
>their book collections?  Just put 'em in wherever they fit?  Sorted by
>size?  By topic?  In order bought?

I have five major divisions:

- Fiction: alpha by author, then for standalone works by year of
publication, or for series by internal chronology to the extent I can
figure it out.

- Non-fiction: alpha by author, then year of publication.

- Reference, art, and oversize: all by cover height

There's also a small over-oversize category, that go wherever they can
fit.

I have a relatively small library (only 1,053 books as of a few
seconds ago), so it all fits in just six bookshelves.  (Actually not
entirely true: I have a pile of books about twenty high waiting to be
shelved, but my non-fiction L-Z bookcase is chock full and cannot
accept any more, even wedged horizontally on top of the other books.
Time to go to IKEA for another Billy unit.)

-GAWollman

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erilar - 26 Jan 2010 16:39 GMT
> This could make an interesting side thread: how do the folk here array
> their book collections?  Just put 'em in wherever they fit?  Sorted by
> size?  By topic?  In order bought?

Alphabet, size, topic
I have something in the neighborhood of 3000 sf and fantasy paperbacks.
They are arranged 4 deep, alphabetically.  If I want to lend or reread a
series by a given author, I may have to dig all the way back to get
them, but I know which part of which shelf they'll be hiding in.

I don't have nearly as many paperback mysteries, but they're
alphabetized in the same manner, with a few large-format(yuck) volumes
mixed in.

Those are the short deep shelves.  On the taller deep shelves I have a
few series like the Life Ages of Man and tall nonfiction books in small
clumps of related subjects.

Elsewhere I have some one-book-depth shelves of assorted sizes, none
adjustable.  Books are arranged by subject/size. The big atlases have
one of the really tall shelves, along with a few other books as big.
Small atlases are nearby.  Again, books are in subject clumps by height
8-)

Fortunately, I have a good visual memory, because I'd have a real
problem finding my reference books otherwise 8-) Book jackets on many of
them help.

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Robert Bannister - 27 Jan 2010 01:31 GMT
> [...]
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> trying to keep all the works by a given author on one shelf, which
> sometimes means sliding a small block out of strict alpha order.

Regrettably, useful categorising is restricted by depth of shelf and,
increasingly, lack of shelf space in general.

My largest collection is of paperbacks (SF&F) in what was once
alphabetical order by author, but these are now also filling the space
between shelves and ceiling in no order.

Then, there is a section for what I think of as commonly required
reference works - at chest height - with the less used works above or below.

Then, there is a section for my books in German, French, Russian and
other (Latin, Macedonian, Swedish) which has partly invaded the
reference section, but which, in turn, is partly being infiltrated by
newer paperbacks.

I would like to say that finally, there is my large collection of
cookery books, but regrettably, there are also heaps of other books that
I would really like to throw out, but... I just can't throw books out. I
need a new, much larger house... no, I need a library that I can build a
house round.

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Zhang Dawei - 27 Jan 2010 08:22 GMT
>[...] I just can't throw
> books out. I need a new, much larger house... no, I need a library
> that I can build a house round.

I can't throw books out, either. I based my last house purchase on a
number of features that just had to be present, one of which was
enough wall space to enable bookshelves to be put up which would house
my library. It became inadequate after a short time, and any future
move will also require either much larger areas of blank wall on which
to place bookshelves, or a room which is big enough to not only have
bookshelves along most walls, but also free-standing bookshelves.
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Murray Arnow - 27 Jan 2010 12:17 GMT
>>[...] I just can't throw
>> books out. I need a new, much larger house... no, I need a library
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>to place bookshelves, or a room which is big enough to not only have
>bookshelves along most walls, but also free-standing bookshelves.

I found a solution, albeit temporary, because of my compulsion to
acquire books and lack of space to store them. I use a food dehydrator.
A dehydrated book takes much less space than a fully hydrated book. The
volume reduction varies because some books consist of drier material
than others.

It can be difficult to read a book in a dehydrated state. It's even more
difficult to read a book that was dry before it's dehydration.
Rehydrating books in a hermetic container that has a soaked sponge can
take much longer than dehydration. Of course, rehydration defeats the
benefit of dehydration, so the book has to be again dehydrated for
storage. I haven't yet determined the effect that
dehydration-rehydration cycling has on books.

If the dehydrated book isn't properly protected from the atmosphere,
rehydration will slowly take place from the humidity found in the air.
It may be necessary to periodically dehydrate a book. There is one added
benefit to dehydrating books: mold and other smell producing processes
are reduced in aging books.
Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 27 Jan 2010 13:26 GMT
>>>[...] I just can't throw
>>> books out. I need a new, much larger house... no, I need a library
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>benefit to dehydrating books: mold and other smell producing processes
>are reduced in aging books.

There must be something patentable in that process.

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J. J. Lodder - 04 Feb 2010 12:09 GMT
> >>[...] I just can't throw
> >> books out. I need a new, much larger house... no, I need a library
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> volume reduction varies because some books consist of drier material
> than others.

Back on topic at last, food.
What does a food dehydrator look like?
Do Americans own one generally speaking,
and do they routinely use one
to dehydrate food?
What is the point of it,
in these days with stores everywhere?
(I understand that travellers in ages past had a use for it)

> It can be difficult to read a book in a dehydrated state. It's even more
> difficult to read a book that was dry before it's dehydration.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> storage. I haven't yet determined the effect that
> dehydration-rehydration cycling has on books.

It will no doubt be bad.

> If the dehydrated book isn't properly protected from the atmosphere,
> rehydration will slowly take place from the humidity found in the air.
> It may be necessary to periodically dehydrate a book. There is one added
> benefit to dehydrating books: mold and other smell producing processes
> are reduced in aging books.

Yes, doesn't spontaneous rehydratation push your bookcases apart,
or make it very hard to get books out again?

Jan
Mike Barnes - 04 Feb 2010 12:29 GMT
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>:
>> I found a solution, albeit temporary, because of my compulsion to
>> acquire books and lack of space to store them. I use a food dehydrator.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Back on topic at last, food.
>What does a food dehydrator look like?

GIYF

>Do Americans own one generally speaking,
>and do they routinely use one
>to dehydrate food?
>What is the point of it,
>in these days with stores everywhere?
>(I understand that travellers in ages past had a use for it)

They're good for making fruit leather. (GIYF again)

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CDB - 04 Feb 2010 15:41 GMT
> J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>:
>>> I found a solution, albeit temporary, because of my compulsion to
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> They're good for making fruit leather. (GIYF again)

One of the paddlers on a long canoe trip I took was a counter-culture
type.  He made a dehydrator with some old screens and a lightbulb, and
dried all our meat and vegetables.  The stuff was nourishing if not
delicious, and three weeks-worth of it was pleasantly light to carry
over the first portages.
Murray Arnow - 04 Feb 2010 14:32 GMT
[...]
>> I found a solution, albeit temporary, because of my compulsion to
>> acquire books and lack of space to store them. I use a food dehydrator.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>and do they routinely use one
>to dehydrate food?

I don't think it is a commonly found appliance.

>What is the point of it,
>in these days with stores everywhere?
>(I understand that travellers in ages past had a use for it)

The point is DIY. I use one rarely, but when I do, it is to preserve
excess garden harvests, particularly herbs. I think they taste better.
Sometimes it's much less expensive to DIY. All fruit and jerky is much
less expensive when don at home, and again, it tastes better.

>> It can be difficult to read a book in a dehydrated state. It's even more
>> difficult to read a book that was dry before it's dehydration.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>Jan

That is something to consider, but the coefficient for spontaneous
hydration is much smaller than that for induced hydration. It was
Einstein's bookseller who showed that the coefficient of induced
hydration is equal to the coefficient of dehydration.
Wood Avens - 27 Jan 2010 17:28 GMT
>I can't throw books out, either. I based my last house purchase on a
>number of features that just had to be present, one of which was
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>to place bookshelves, or a room which is big enough to not only have
>bookshelves along most walls, but also free-standing bookshelves.

Our fairlure to follow this excellent precept last time we moved has
left us with a stack of twelve unopened book boxes in our
conservatory.  

Still, that's not all that many, and it's only two-and-a-half years
since we moved here.

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Mike Lyle - 27 Jan 2010 20:42 GMT
>> I can't throw books out, either. I based my last house purchase on a
>> number of features that just had to be present, one of which was
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Still, that's not all that many, and it's only two-and-a-half years
> since we moved here.

I've actually halved my library twice for moving house. It can be done,
though I'd never have believed it before I bit the bullet. The best
thing is to donate to charity or academic libraries: I once sold a few
books, and hated the man's attitude so cordially that I vowed I'd never
do it again. I've also had to buy replacements for some I wished I'd
kept...a sort of cheating, I suppose.

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Eric Walker - 28 Jan 2010 01:42 GMT
[...]

> . . . and any future move will also require either much larger areas of
> blank wall on which to place bookshelves, or a room which is big enough
> to not only have bookshelves along most walls, but also free-standing
>bookshelves.

If memory serves, calculations show that bookcases that project out from
walls into room space--as in most real libraries--can hold a lot more
books per square foot of room area than bookcases along walls.

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Eric Walker - 28 Jan 2010 01:42 GMT
[...]

> . . . and any future move will also require either much larger areas of
> blank wall on which to place bookshelves, or a room which is big enough
> to not only have bookshelves along most walls, but also free-standing
>bookshelves.

If memory serves, calculations show that bookcases that project out from
walls into room space--as in most real libraries--can hold a lot more
books per square foot of room area than bookcases along walls.

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Mike Barnes - 28 Jan 2010 12:27 GMT
Eric Walker <email@owlcroft.com>:

>If memory serves, calculations show that bookcases that project out from
>walls into room space--as in most real libraries--can hold a lot more
>books per square foot of room area than bookcases along walls.

Bookcases that project out into room space might as well *be* walls.

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Adam Funk - 28 Jan 2010 13:10 GMT
> Eric Walker <email@owlcroft.com>:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Bookcases that project out into room space might as well *be* walls.

I like the overlapping sliding bookshelves I've seen in some bookshops
in France.

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Robert Bannister - 28 Jan 2010 01:55 GMT
>> [...] I just can't throw
>> books out. I need a new, much larger house... no, I need a library
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> to place bookshelves, or a room which is big enough to not only have
> bookshelves along most walls, but also free-standing bookshelves.

I've been eyeing up our state parliament building. It doesn't seem to
serve any useful purpose at present.

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Nick - 27 Jan 2010 06:59 GMT
> This could make an interesting side thread: how do the folk here array
> their book collections?  Just put 'em in wherever they fit?  Sorted by
> size?  By topic?  In order bought?

Very roughly:

Fiction is in the guest bedroom, roughly by size, although with a vague
attempt to put similar stuff together.  The "to read" pile is in front
of other books on one of these cases.

Waterways and related are in the long book shelf in the main room.
Other books - including overflow fiction - are in the two antique
bookshelves (previously owned by Lady Coventry) - in the main room.
Reference books are on the shelves behind me.  Tall reference books are
in the inlaid adjustable rack that sits on top of that case and which I
inherited from my grandfather (you acquired it during his tenure as
Wigan's librarian).

There's a bookshelf on the upstairs landing, which contains a random
collection of stuff.  There's a pile of attractive but valueless old
hardbacks along a shelf alongside the stairs (they look really nice
there: they've all been acquired for their contents, but were selected
for display by appearance).

The girls books are supposed to be in the shelves in their room, but are
mainly spread all over the floor.  Astrosaurs, would you believe it?
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Evan Kirshenbaum - 28 Jan 2010 07:35 GMT
> [...]
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> their book collections?  Just put 'em in wherever they fit?  Sorted by
> size?  By topic?  In order bought?

For those interested in a fascinating history of the subject of book
storage and organization (and books themselves), I highly recomend
Henry Petroski's _The Book on the Bookshelf_

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John Varela - 26 Jan 2010 00:29 GMT
> I remove the dustjacket while reading the book, and reinstate it when
> putting the book back on the shelf.

Me too.

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Evan Kirshenbaum - 26 Jan 2010 16:41 GMT
>> Yes, it's a bit OT, but since this is a bibliophilic group to some
>> degree....
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I remove the dustjacket while reading the book, and reinstate it when
> putting the book back on the shelf.

I either do that or use the flaps of the dust jacket as a bookmark
that I can't misplace (but which, unfortunately, is more likely to
fall out if the book is dropped).

> Conclusion: dustjackets are utterly useless to readers, but are
> valuable to those who collect books without reading them.

As someone else said, they make the book easier to find on the shelf.

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Chuck Riggs - 25 Jan 2010 14:35 GMT
>Yes, it's a bit OT, but since this is a bibliophilic group to some
>degree....
>
>What do YOU do with the dust jackets of books?

Having no other use for dust jackets, I wrap fish in mine.
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Mark Brader - 25 Jan 2010 14:42 GMT
"Brett":
> What do YOU do with the dust jackets of books?

Normally, it stays on the book.  What else?  If it gets torn over time,
I usually try to patch it back together with Scotch tape, and if it's
beyond patching, then I discard it (and have to relearn what the book
looks like on the shelf).

When I say Scotch tape, by the way, I mean Scotch tape, not some other
brand.  Specifically, their Magic tape, which doesn't leach glue into
the paper.
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Jerry Friedman - 25 Jan 2010 23:04 GMT
> "Brett":
>
> > What do YOU do with the dust jackets of books?
>
> Normally, it stays on the book.  What else?
...

A friend of mine normally throws away dust jackets of books he keeps.
So if he's not planning to keep a book, he saves the dust jacket and
lends the book in it.  That tells the borrower (possibly me) that he
doesn't want the book back, and it can be re-lent or donated
somewhere.

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Don Phillipson - 25 Jan 2010 17:04 GMT
> Frankly, I am not a big fan of dust jackets.  Yet I do feel as if I'm
> doing something wrong in throwing the really well-designed dust
> jackets away.
> Any thoughts on this?

Readers might well ask how the OP keeps dust off
his books.   (Glass-fronted bookcases seem the only
alternative to assiduous dusting.)

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Bertel Lund Hansen - 25 Jan 2010 19:13 GMT
Don Phillipson skrev:

> Readers might well ask how the OP keeps dust off
> his books.

How do you keep dust off the dust jacks?

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Lars Enderin - 25 Jan 2010 19:28 GMT
> Don Phillipson skrev:
>
>> Readers might well ask how the OP keeps dust off
>> his books.
>
> How do you keep dust off the dust jacks?

Why do you abbreviate "jackets"?
Bertel Lund Hansen - 25 Jan 2010 22:16 GMT
Lars Enderin skrev:

> > How do you keep dust off the dust jacks?

> Why do you abbreviate "jackets"?

An error. I am not used to that designation.

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Reinhold {Rey} Aman - 25 Jan 2010 19:41 GMT
> Don Phillipson skrev:
>
>> Readers might well ask how the OP keeps dust off his books.
>
> How do you keep dust off the dust jacks?

Oh, Christ, another Danish knee-slapper.

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franzi - 25 Jan 2010 20:37 GMT
> > Frankly, I am not a big fan of dust jackets.  Yet I do feel as if I'm
> > doing something wrong in throwing the really well-designed dust
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> his books.   (Glass-fronted bookcases seem the only
> alternative to assiduous dusting.)

Dust-jackets are very badly designed for keeping off dust, because
dust settles mainly on the upwards-facing parts, which are the top
edges of the pages. An effective dust-jacket would cross over the top
of the book. If you could slip the book out of it sideways, it could
be called a slip case.

My library has books in their clothing, until it is too torn for me to
bear. The book-cases that aren't glass-fronted have a fuzz of cobwebs
over the book tops to keep the dust off, except over the reference
books or the last few months' reads. Occasionally, I use the bristly
vacuum-cleaner attachment over the page edges, but I don't know that
it mightn't have some harmful side-effect.
--
franzi
erilar - 26 Jan 2010 16:28 GMT
In article
<41cd96d6-eaa5-4fc7-bcd6-6cd86680e8eb@f12g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,

> My library has books in their clothing, until it is too torn for me to
> bear. The book-cases that aren't glass-fronted have a fuzz of cobwebs
> over the book tops to keep the dust off, except over the reference
> books or the last few months' reads. Occasionally, I use the bristly
> vacuum-cleaner attachment over the page edges, but I don't know that
> it mightn't have some harmful side-effect.

Many of mine are 4 deep and rather high for the flexible part of my
vacuum cleaner hose.  Sometimes I just stick the end of the plastic tube
thing in over the books to get some of the spiderwebs, though. 8-)

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Robert Bannister - 26 Jan 2010 00:33 GMT
>> Frankly, I am not a big fan of dust jackets.  Yet I do feel as if I'm
>> doing something wrong in throwing the really well-designed dust
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> his books.   (Glass-fronted bookcases seem the only
> alternative to assiduous dusting.)

But dust does not gather on the parts covered by a dust jacket. It's the
tops of the pages. Still, I'd love to be able to afford and have the
space for glass-fronted bookcases.

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Eric Walker - 26 Jan 2010 01:30 GMT
[...]

> But dust does not gather on the parts covered by a dust jacket. It's the
> tops of the pages. Still, I'd love to be able to afford and have the
> space for glass-fronted bookcases.

It gravels me that though we live in a nearly air-tight solar house (0.09
air changes per hour when sealed--we have an air-to-air heat exchanger
for ventilation), we have, ah, _copious_ amounts of dust.  That is
despite the fact that for most of the year (certainly winter and summer)
the house is fully sealed up.  I guess the dust gnomes come out at night.

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Mike Barnes - 26 Jan 2010 12:37 GMT
Eric Walker <email@owlcroft.com>:
>It gravels me that though we live in a nearly air-tight solar house (0.09
>air changes per hour when sealed--we have an air-to-air heat exchanger
>for ventilation), we have, ah, _copious_ amounts of dust.  That is
>despite the fact that for most of the year (certainly winter and summer)
>the house is fully sealed up.  I guess the dust gnomes come out at night.

Household dust is mostly sloughed skin, isn't it? The longer you spend
in the house, the more dust there will be.

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Cheryl - 26 Jan 2010 14:33 GMT
> Eric Walker <email@owlcroft.com>:
>> It gravels me that though we live in a nearly air-tight solar house (0.09
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Household dust is mostly sloughed skin, isn't it? The longer you spend
> in the house, the more dust there will be.

And Living Creatures. I listened to a radio show on the microorganisms
that live in even the cleanest bedding and on the cleanest bodies - dust
mites and so on. Not being allergic, I had never given them much thought
before. I was inspired to wash ALL my bedding, but my newfound devotion
to cleanliness lasted only until the first pillow came apart in the
washing machine, and I had to clean all the bits out of the machine and
buy a new pillow.

Perhaps only the dust mites were holding it together.

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Mike Barnes - 26 Jan 2010 15:06 GMT
Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca>:
>> Eric Walker <email@owlcroft.com>:
>>> It gravels me that though we live in a nearly air-tight solar house (0.09
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
>Perhaps only the dust mites were holding it together.

Perhaps. In any event, you can kill the critters with less physical
distress to the fabric by freezing them. Place the bedding either in
your freezer, or (if your climate is suitable) outdoors for a few hours.

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Leslie Danks - 26 Jan 2010 16:27 GMT
> Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca>:
>>> Eric Walker <email@owlcroft.com>:
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> distress to the fabric by freezing them. Place the bedding either in
> your freezer, or (if your climate is suitable) outdoors for a few hours.

And then you could eat the skin dust yourself, turning it into a
sustainable, ecologically friendly resource. To improve its
appetisability, you could approach Jamie O. for a few ideas.

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Chuck Riggs - 27 Jan 2010 15:40 GMT
>> Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca>:
>>>> Eric Walker <email@owlcroft.com>:
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>sustainable, ecologically friendly resource. To improve its
>appetisability, you could approach Jamie O. for a few ideas.

Better yet, you can eat the scabs that have done their duty, before
they have a chance to turn to dust. Then down the flush they go.
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Robert Bannister - 27 Jan 2010 01:38 GMT
> Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca>:
>>> Eric Walker <email@owlcroft.com>:
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> distress to the fabric by freezing them. Place the bedding either in
> your freezer, or (if your climate is suitable) outdoors for a few hours.

I have visions of AUEers* attempting to force their queen-size
mattresses into the freezer and of puzzled policemen examining the
decorously draped bedding that veils the snow-clad shrubbery.

*I must write to Mozilla - Thunderbird's spelling checker wants to
replace this with "queers".

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James Hogg - 27 Jan 2010 06:50 GMT
>> Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca>:
>>>> Eric Walker <email@owlcroft.com>:
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> *I must write to Mozilla - Thunderbird's spelling checker wants to
> replace this with "queers".

I had that in a poem last year:

  Try googling, by the way, for "AUEers".
  The engine wants to know: "Did you mean _queers_?"

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Chuck Riggs - 27 Jan 2010 15:45 GMT
>>> Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca>:
>>>>> Eric Walker <email@owlcroft.com>:
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>   Try googling, by the way, for "AUEers".
>   The engine wants to know: "Did you mean _queers_?"

Google suggested QUEers to me, whoever or whatever they are.
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James Hogg - 27 Jan 2010 15:49 GMT
>>>> Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca>:
>>>>>> Eric Walker <email@owlcroft.com>:
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> Google suggested QUEers to me, whoever or whatever they are.

Something to do with heteronormativity, I believe.

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R H Draney - 27 Jan 2010 16:14 GMT
Chuck Riggs filted:

>>> *I must write to Mozilla - Thunderbird's spelling checker wants to
>>> replace this with "queers".
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Google suggested QUEers to me, whoever or whatever they are.

People from Quebec, apparently, or the publishers of such books as "Easy
Microsoft Windows Vista" and "My Blackberry Curve"....r

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Robert Bannister - 28 Jan 2010 01:58 GMT
>>>> Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca>:
>>>>>> Eric Walker <email@owlcroft.com>:
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> Google suggested QUEers to me, whoever or whatever they are.

Perhaps they'll decamp in a while.

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Steve Hayes - 28 Jan 2010 02:57 GMT
>>>   Try googling, by the way, for "AUEers".
>>>   The engine wants to know: "Did you mean _queers_?"
>>
>> Google suggested QUEers to me, whoever or whatever they are.
>
>Perhaps they'll decamp in a while.

Applause.

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Chuck Riggs - 28 Jan 2010 12:17 GMT
>>>>   Try googling, by the way, for "AUEers".
>>>>   The engine wants to know: "Did you mean _queers_?"
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Applause.

I'd probably clap too, but you whooshed me, Robert.
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Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 28 Jan 2010 13:17 GMT
>>>>>   Try googling, by the way, for "AUEers".
>>>>>   The engine wants to know: "Did you mean _queers_?"
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>I'd probably clap too, but you whooshed me, Robert.

Think "queers" and "camp".

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Robert Bannister - 29 Jan 2010 01:29 GMT
>>>>>>   Try googling, by the way, for "AUEers".
>>>>>>   The engine wants to know: "Did you mean _queers_?"
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Think "queers" and "camp".

Um, the BBC?

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Robert Bannister - 27 Jan 2010 01:35 GMT
> [...]
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> despite the fact that for most of the year (certainly winter and summer)
> the house is fully sealed up.  I guess the dust gnomes come out at night.

Clearly one of those mysteries of the book world.

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Nick - 27 Jan 2010 06:53 GMT
> It gravels me that ...

I think that expression's new to me.  I'm guessing (perhaps because I think of
gravel as being rough and abrasive) that it means "irritates" but it
could mean "baffles".

"I gravels me" seems pretty uncommon phrase when Googled - the same
quotes from Mark Twain and a couple of others keep coming up - but there
are some contemporary uses.  Again though, not quite enough to let me
get the exact sense of it.  A lot of those seem to suggest "pains" as a
possible reading ("it gravels me to pay sixty dollars...").
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Reinhold {Rey} Aman - 27 Jan 2010 07:09 GMT
>> It gravels me that ...
>
> I think that expression's new to me.
[...]
Not to worry, Nick.  Cordial & Wordy Walker is hebephrenic.

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Eric Walker - 27 Jan 2010 10:26 GMT
>> It gravels me that ...
>
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> get the exact sense of it.  A lot of those seem to suggest "pains" as a
> possible reading ("it gravels me to pay sixty dollars...").

"Irritates intensely" is probably fairly close.  It is AmE and colloquial
at that.  It is no longer common, though still occasionally found.  I
like it because it seems to better express the idea than plain
"irritates".

OK, looking, my AHD says "_informal_ To irritate. [Middle English, from
Old French _gravele_, dimunitive of _grace_, pebbly shore, of Celtic
origin.]"  I assume that the literal meaning of "gravel" (as a verb), to
cover with a layer of sharp pebbles, is the metaphorical source.

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Berkeley Brett - 27 Jan 2010 16:02 GMT
The "Apple Tablet" is about to be presented to an eager world.  To
what extent will it be the future of reading (presumably sans dust
jackets)?:

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/01/apple-tablet-content/

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/apple-tablet-full-coverage/

Live coverage:

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/apple-tablet-event/

I suspect it will be something like the Bonnier Mag+ concept, which
really is very interesting to look at (at about 3 minutes into this
video, there is a very nice demonstration of this concept):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAZCr6canvw

Time will tell if Apple is able to kindle a fire for its Tablet....

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