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James Hogg - 28 Jan 2010 07:29 GMT
"SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. (KABC) -- The Menifee Union School District has
reached a compromise over the dictionaries that are available in its
classrooms.

Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionaries were pulled from fourth and
fifth grade classes at Oak Meadows Elementary School after a parent
complained that a child had discovered the term "oral sex" in the
dictionary. Removing the dictionaries led to complaints about censorship.

Parents now have the option of choosing whether their children use the
Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary or an alternative which will be
available.
(Copyright ©2010 KABC-TV/DT. All Rights Reserved.) "

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/inland_empire&id=7243522

Are there any good dictionaries that don't have "oral sex"?

The online OED might not be selected as the alternative. The editors
couldn't resist the temptation to start the quotations with one that
doesn't even include the whole phrase "oral sex":

"[1943 in G. Legman Limerick (1953) 98 Said an airy young fairy named
Jess, 'The oral requires some finesse, While in method the anal Is
terribly banal, And the trousers will get out of press.']"

Note to Rey: That's not another distorted James Hogg post. The
dictionary prints the limerick that way.

Note to John V: The pronunciation of "banal" ought to satisfy you.

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Peter Moylan - 28 Jan 2010 07:59 GMT
> Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionaries were pulled from fourth and
> fifth grade classes at Oak Meadows Elementary School after a parent
> complained that a child had discovered the term "oral sex" in the
> dictionary. Removing the dictionaries led to complaints about censorship.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. WIWAL the big dictionary in
the school library used to fall open at the page containing "bum". The
library copy of "The Canterbury Tales" fell open at even more
titillating sections.

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James Hogg - 28 Jan 2010 08:14 GMT
>> Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionaries were pulled from fourth
>> and fifth grade classes at Oak Meadows Elementary School after a
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> The library copy of "The Canterbury Tales" fell open at even more
> titillating sections.

"Mrs. Digby told me that when she lived in London with her sister, Mrs.
Brooke, they were every now and then honoured by the visits of Dr.
Johnson. He called on them one day soon after the publication of his
immortal dictionary. The two ladies paid him due compliments on the
occasion. Amongst other topics of praise they very much commended the
omission of all naughty words. 'What! my dears! then you have been
looking for them?' said the moralist. The ladies, confused at being thus
caught, dropped the subject of the dictionary."

H.D. Best, Personal and Literary Memorials, London, 1829, printed in
Johnsonian Miscellanies, (1897) vol. II, page 390, edited by George
Birkbeck Hill

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Bertel Lund Hansen - 28 Jan 2010 12:57 GMT
James Hogg skrev:

> omission of all naughty words. 'What! my dears! then you have been
> looking for them?' said the moralist. The ladies, confused at being thus
> caught, dropped the subject of the dictionary."

When I was a child, my mother used to laugh over some happening
which she retold. It involved a trial with two lawyers exchanging
arguments in some matter relatiing to sex. One of the lawyers
remarked:

- Here I think your imagination goes further than mine.

My mother used to ask: How did he know that?

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Peter Moylan - 28 Jan 2010 23:05 GMT
> James Hogg skrev:
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> My mother used to ask: How did he know that?

"I might have to ask my lodger to leave. He knows too many rude songs."
"What? You mean he sings them around the house?"
"No, but he whistles them."

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Mark Brader - 28 Jan 2010 15:41 GMT
James Hogg quotes H.D. Best:
> He called on them one day soon after the publication of his
> immortal dictionary. The two ladies paid him due compliments on the
> occasion. Amongst other topics of praise they very much commended the
> omission of all naughty words. 'What! my dears! then you have been
> looking for them?' said the moralist.

"Well, somebody had to do it", said the censor.
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Joe Fineman - 28 Jan 2010 22:10 GMT
> "Mrs. Digby told me that when she lived in London with her sister,
> Mrs.  Brooke, they were every now and then honoured by the visits of
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Johnsonian Miscellanies, (1897) vol. II, page 390, edited by George
> Birkbeck Hill

I was amused, in this connection, to discover that in Dr Johnson's day
"fart" did not count as a naughty word.  He even cites a poem
containing it.
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Robert Bannister - 29 Jan 2010 01:50 GMT
>> "Mrs. Digby told me that when she lived in London with her sister,
>> Mrs.  Brooke, they were every now and then honoured by the visits of
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> "fart" did not count as a naughty word.  He even cites a poem
> containing it.

I didn't know it was naughty. It is an antisocial activity, but hardly
an obscene word.

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Roland Hutchinson - 29 Jan 2010 04:33 GMT
>>> "Mrs. Digby told me that when she lived in London with her sister,
>>> Mrs.  Brooke, they were every now and then honoured by the visits of
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> I didn't know it was naughty. It is an antisocial activity, but hardly
> an obscene word.

I believe I was once instructed that the delicate way to refer to it in
polite company, in the unlikely event that it would ever be necessary and
proper to do so, was as "expelling flatus".  

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tony cooper - 29 Jan 2010 05:02 GMT
>>>> "Mrs. Digby told me that when she lived in London with her sister,
>>>> Mrs.  Brooke, they were every now and then honoured by the visits of
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>polite company, in the unlikely event that it would ever be necessary and
>proper to do so, was as "expelling flatus".  

Frankly, in polite company, I can't think of any way the subject would
ever come up.  

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Frank ess - 29 Jan 2010 05:36 GMT
>>>>> "Mrs. Digby told me that when she lived in London with her
>>>>> sister, Mrs.  Brooke, they were every now and then honoured by
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> Frankly, in polite company, I can't think of any way the subject
> would ever come up.

"That's all right, Your Majesty, this one's on me!"

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Bob Martin - 29 Jan 2010 06:58 GMT
>>>>>> "Mrs. Digby told me that when she lived in London with her
>>>>>> sister, Mrs.  Brooke, they were every now and then honoured by
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
>"That's all right, Your Majesty, this one's on me!"

or "That's all right, Your Majesty, I thought it was the horse."
Mike Barnes - 29 Jan 2010 07:39 GMT
Frank ess <frank@fshe2fs.com>:

>>>>>  I was amused, in this connection, to discover that in Dr
>>>>> Johnson's day "fart" did not count as a naughty word.  He even
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>"That's all right, Your Majesty, this one's on me!"

"Sir, how dare you fart in front of my wife!"
"Sorry old chap. Didn't realise it was her turn."

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Zhang Dawei - 29 Jan 2010 08:01 GMT
A patient was undergoing an investigation that meant he was asked to
lie on his front and have a large amount of air introduced into his
rectum so that the investigating consultant could view the inside of
it. During the investigation, a considerable amount of air suddenly
leaked out, making a characteristic farting sound. The patent squirmed
in embarrassment at this, so the consultant said, "Oh, I am sorry
about that." The patient immediately replied "That's all right, I
actually thought it was me!"
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Mike Lyle - 01 Feb 2010 18:03 GMT
[...]

>>>>> I was amused, in this connection, to discover that in Dr
>>>>> Johnson's day "fart" did not count as a naughty word.  He even
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> Frankly, in polite company, I can't think of any way the subject
>> would ever come up.

"I'm sorry, old boy! Was it her turn?"

> "That's all right, Your Majesty, this one's on me!"

"My Lord, we have forgot the fart."

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Cheryl - 29 Jan 2010 09:26 GMT
>>>>> "Mrs. Digby told me that when she lived in London with her sister,
>>>>> Mrs.  Brooke, they were every now and then honoured by the visits of
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Frankly, in polite company, I can't think of any way the subject would
> ever come up.  

I was taught to use 'breaking wind', but I don't know if that was
intended to be used in polite company, or merely because it was an issue
that sometimes had to be discussed with children, and my parents didn't
want us to use 'fart' if we did happen to bring the topic up when we had
polite company.

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John Varela - 29 Jan 2010 22:09 GMT
> >>>> I was amused, in this connection, to discover that in Dr Johnson's day
> >>>> "fart" did not count as a naughty word.  He even cites a poem
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> want us to use 'fart' if we did happen to bring the topic up when we had
> polite company.

When I was a child it was "pass gas".

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Peter Moylan - 29 Jan 2010 13:21 GMT
>>> I was amused, in this connection, to discover that in Dr Johnson's day
>>> "fart" did not count as a naughty word.  He even cites a poem
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> polite company, in the unlikely event that it would ever be necessary and
> proper to do so, was as "expelling flatus".  

"Have you passed flatus since the operation?"
"No, Doc, but I've been farting a lot."

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R H Draney - 29 Jan 2010 04:47 GMT
Robert Bannister filted:

>> I was amused, in this connection, to discover that in Dr Johnson's day
>> "fart" did not count as a naughty word.  He even cites a poem
>> containing it.
>
>I didn't know it was naughty. It is an antisocial activity, but hardly
>an obscene word.

George Carlin included it in the first appendix to his "seven words you can't
say on television", but I hear it on television all the time these days, even on
shows that bleep the "god" in "god-damned"....r

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James Hogg - 29 Jan 2010 15:37 GMT
> Robert Bannister filted:
>>> I was amused, in this connection, to discover that in Dr Johnson's day
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> say on television", but I hear it on television all the time these days, even on
> shows that bleep the "god" in "god-damned"....r

You recently pointed out a good anagram for Harlan Messinger.
I found a good one meaning "fart":

Dry Anal Drone

No offence meant.

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Bertel Lund Hansen - 29 Jan 2010 10:45 GMT
Robert Bannister skrev:

> > I was amused, in this connection, to discover that in Dr Johnson's day
> > "fart" did not count as a naughty word.  He even cites a poem
> > containing it.

> I didn't know it was naughty. It is an antisocial activity, but hardly
> an obscene word.

It was considered naughty in Denmark in the fifties or sixties. I
may have told before that at one time our elevator lights were
taped over because Queen Elizabeth was visiting Denmark. The
lights showed "I fart" when lit up. It means "In speed" (=
"running").

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Mark Brader - 30 Jan 2010 00:31 GMT
Bertel Hansen:
> It was considered naughty in Denmark in the fifties or sixties.
> I may have told before that at one time our elevator lights were
> taped over because Queen Elizabeth was visiting Denmark. The
> lights showed "I fart" when lit up.

Cute.

> It means "In speed" (= "running").

We don't say "in speed" in English.  "At speed" is possible, but
it means something like "at full speed" or "at high speed".  "In
motion" would be a reasonably idiomatic translation.  But I assume
these are the kind of now-old-fashioned elevators that can only
remember one floor selection at a time, and in that case what I'd
actually expect to see the indicator would be "in use".

In German, Fahrt means "trip" or "travel" -- I'm not sure if
it also includes "motion" -- but "speed" is a different word,
Geschwindigkeit.  Is this different in Danish?

In Switzerland, FART is a bus and train company in the Ticino region.
It's an acronym in Italian, but I've always assumed it was also a
pun on Fahrt.
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Peter Moylan - 29 Jan 2010 13:28 GMT
>> I was amused, in this connection, to discover that in Dr Johnson's day
>> "fart" did not count as a naughty word.  He even cites a poem
>> containing it.
>
> I didn't know it was naughty. It is an antisocial activity, but hardly
> an obscene word.

How easy is it to make the distinction? All of our obscene words are
references to things that are socially unacceptable, or that should not,
for one reason or another, be mentioned in polite company. The obscenity
lies not in the word, but in the referent.

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Robert Bannister - 30 Jan 2010 01:46 GMT
>>> I was amused, in this connection, to discover that in Dr Johnson's day
>>> "fart" did not count as a naughty word.  He even cites a poem
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> for one reason or another, be mentioned in polite company. The obscenity
> lies not in the word, but in the referent.

I would like to distinguish between obscene and socially unacceptable. I
would suggest that "arse" is still more or less obscene, whereas
"bottom" and "buttocks" are not, although they are not things that one
talks about in polite company. The same with "sh.t" and "excrement".

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Steve Hayes - 30 Jan 2010 04:15 GMT
>I would like to distinguish between obscene and socially unacceptable. I
>would suggest that "arse" is still more or less obscene, whereas
>"bottom" and "buttocks" are not, although they are not things that one
>talks about in polite company. The same with "sh.t" and "excrement".

Like the lady who said "Oh sh.t, I've stepped in some doggy-doo"?

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Mike Barnes - 30 Jan 2010 10:17 GMT
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net>:

>>I would like to distinguish between obscene and socially unacceptable. I
>>would suggest that "arse" is still more or less obscene, whereas
>>"bottom" and "buttocks" are not, although they are not things that one
>>talks about in polite company. The same with "sh.t" and "excrement".
>
>Like the lady who said "Oh sh.t, I've stepped in some doggy-doo"?

"Oh f.ck, I said 'sh.t'".

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Mark Brader - 30 Jan 2010 19:25 GMT
Steve Hayes:
>> Like the lady who said "Oh sh.t, I've stepped in some doggy-doo"?

Mike Barnes:
> "Oh f.ck, I said 'sh.t'".

Richard Curtis:

  (The new Prime Minister, whose first name is David, is meeting
  his household staff.)

  Natalie:  Hello, David.  I mean sir.  --sh.t, I can't believe
      I've just said that.  And now I've gone and said "sh.t".
      Twice!  I'm so sorry, sir.

  David:  It's fine, it's fine.  You could've said "f.ck", and then
      we'd have been in real trouble.

  Natalie:  Thank you, sir.  I did have an awful premonition that
      I was going to f.ck up on the first day.  --Oh, piss it!

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Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 30 Jan 2010 10:42 GMT
>>> I was amused, in this connection, to discover that in Dr Johnson's day
>>> "fart" did not count as a naughty word.  He even cites a poem
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>for one reason or another, be mentioned in polite company. The obscenity
>lies not in the word, but in the referent.

That is sometimes true. In other cases some words for a referent may be
acceptable in polite company but others not.

Consider: f.ck, screw, bone, nail, copulate, go to bed with, have sexual
intercourse, have sexual relations, lay, shag and bonk.

These all refer to the same activity. Some are usable in polite company,
others are not.

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John Varela - 30 Jan 2010 18:58 GMT
> Consider: f.ck, screw, bone, nail, copulate, go to bed with, have sexual
> intercourse, have sexual relations, lay, shag and bonk.
>
> These all refer to the same activity. Some are usable in polite company,
> others are not.

You forgot "sleep with".

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Robin Bignall - 30 Jan 2010 21:23 GMT
>> Consider: f.ck, screw, bone, nail, copulate, go to bed with, have sexual
>> intercourse, have sexual relations, lay, shag and bonk.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>You forgot "sleep with".

Except that sleeping is the last thing on their minds until
afterwards.
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John Varela - 31 Jan 2010 19:32 GMT
> >> Consider: f.ck, screw, bone, nail, copulate, go to bed with, have sexual
> >> intercourse, have sexual relations, lay, shag and bonk.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Except that sleeping is the last thing on their minds until
> afterwards.

Over here it is the most common euphemism.

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Peter Moylan - 31 Jan 2010 22:03 GMT
>>>> Consider: f.ck, screw, bone, nail, copulate, go to bed with, have sexual
>>>> intercourse, have sexual relations, lay, shag and bonk.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Over here it is the most common euphemism.

There comes a time in one's life when it's not even a euphemism.

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Joe Fineman - 01 Feb 2010 01:16 GMT
>>You forgot "sleep with".
>
> Except that sleeping is the last thing on their minds until
> afterwards.

Neither do we go to rest rooms with the intention of resting.
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Zhang Dawei - 01 Feb 2010 01:47 GMT
>>>You forgot "sleep with".
>>
>> Except that sleeping is the last thing on their minds until
>> afterwards.
>
> Neither do we go to rest rooms with the intention of resting.

And we chop trees down, only to go and chop them up afterwards.

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the Omrud - 01 Feb 2010 08:45 GMT
>>>> You forgot "sleep with".
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> And we chop trees down, only to go and chop them up afterwards.

Personally, I've stood for a seat, stood up for what I believed in and
finally stood down.

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R H Draney - 01 Feb 2010 09:11 GMT
the Omrud filted:

>>>>> You forgot "sleep with".
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Personally, I've stood for a seat, stood up for what I believed in and
>finally stood down.

I stood in for someone who didn't want to stand out, but all I did was stand
around....r

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HVS - 01 Feb 2010 09:15 GMT
On 01 Feb 2010, R H Draney wrote

> the Omrud filted:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> I stood in for someone who didn't want to stand out, but all I
> did was stand around....r

I don't think I could stand that.

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James Hogg - 01 Feb 2010 09:19 GMT
> On 01 Feb 2010, R H Draney wrote
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> I don't think I could stand that.

I'll stand you all a drink at the next boink.

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Zhang Dawei - 01 Feb 2010 09:20 GMT
> On 01 Feb 2010, R H Draney wrote
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> I don't think I could stand that.

Would it result in a stand off? (If so, you could have a stand in, we
don't want to stand on ceremony.)

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Frank ess - 01 Feb 2010 20:51 GMT
>> On 01 Feb 2010, R H Draney wrote
>>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Would it result in a stand off? (If so, you could have a stand in,
> we don't want to stand on ceremony.)

Who lowered the standards around here?

- Lionel Stander
R H Draney - 01 Feb 2010 21:01 GMT
Frank ess filted:

>>> On 01 Feb 2010, R H Draney wrote
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> - Lionel Stander

This too shall not stand!...r

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Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 01 Feb 2010 21:15 GMT
>>> On 01 Feb 2010, R H Draney wrote
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
>Who lowered the standards around here?

Standards are forever flagging.

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HVS - 01 Feb 2010 21:27 GMT
On 01 Feb 2010, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote

>>>> On 01 Feb 2010, R H Draney wrote
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>>
> Standards are forever flagging.

Indeed:  Iris told me so.

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Zhang Dawei - 01 Feb 2010 21:50 GMT
> On 01 Feb 2010, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote
>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> Indeed:  Iris told me so.

She tells you that perennially, although she picks her time, she's a
bit of a sage like that. Not like Rosemary; she just smiles, wryly.

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Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 01 Feb 2010 21:56 GMT
>> On 01 Feb 2010, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote
>>
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>She tells you that perennially, although she picks her time, she's a
>bit of a sage like that. Not like Rosemary; she just smiles, wryly.

But Thyme will tell.

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HVS - 01 Feb 2010 22:01 GMT
On 01 Feb 2010, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote

>>> On 01 Feb 2010, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> But Thyme will tell.

She'll rue the day she did.

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Zhang Dawei - 01 Feb 2010 22:08 GMT
> On 01 Feb 2010, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote
>
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
>
> She'll rue the day she did.

This is becoming balmy. Lettuce stay firm, kumquat may.

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James Hogg - 01 Feb 2010 22:51 GMT
>>> On 01 Feb 2010, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> But Thyme will tell.

I went to Culpeper's yesterday, but the joint was out of thyme.
No cursed spice either.

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HVS - 01 Feb 2010 22:53 GMT
On 01 Feb 2010, James Hogg wrote

>>>> On 01 Feb 2010, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> I went to Culpeper's yesterday, but the joint was out of thyme.
> No cursed spice either.

They say you cumin, didn't they?

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Adam Funk - 01 Feb 2010 12:33 GMT
>>> Neither do we go to rest rooms with the intention of resting.
>>
>> And we chop trees down, only to go and chop them up afterwards.
>
> Personally, I've stood for a seat, stood up for what I believed in and
> finally stood down.

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  snail mail have in common with billboard advertising, accounts
  recording, making bail, and assigning diplomats?

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2079

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R H Draney - 01 Feb 2010 17:30 GMT
Adam Funk filted:

>A _Language Log_ quiz:
>
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>http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2079

Corn flakes....r

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tony cooper - 01 Feb 2010 02:02 GMT
>>>You forgot "sleep with".
>>
>> Except that sleeping is the last thing on their minds until
>> afterwards.
>
>Neither do we go to rest rooms with the intention of resting.

One hopes that living will not be restricted to the living room.

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Robert Bannister - 02 Feb 2010 00:49 GMT
>>>> You forgot "sleep with".
>>> Except that sleeping is the last thing on their minds until
>>> afterwards.
>> Neither do we go to rest rooms with the intention of resting.
>
> One hopes that living will not be restricted to the living room.

I've seen people keep kitsch there instead of in the room that sounds as
if designed for the purpose.

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Jerry Friedman - 01 Feb 2010 02:04 GMT
> >>You forgot "sleep with".
>
> > Except that sleeping is the last thing on their minds until
> > afterwards.
>
> Neither do we go to rest rooms with the intention of resting.

Half of us don't, anyway.

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John Varela - 01 Feb 2010 21:36 GMT
> > Neither do we go to rest rooms with the intention of resting.
>
> Half of us don't, anyway.

I was sitting in a stall in a rest room in a government office
building one time, when I heard snores coming from the adjacent
stall.

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R H Draney - 01 Feb 2010 03:27 GMT
Joe Fineman filted:

>>>You forgot "sleep with".
>>
>> Except that sleeping is the last thing on their minds until
>> afterwards.
>
>Neither do we go to rest rooms with the intention of resting.

If I *had* a drawing room, would I need to bring my own pencils?...r

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tony cooper - 01 Feb 2010 03:34 GMT
>Joe Fineman filted:
>>
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>
>If I *had* a drawing room, would I need to bring my own pencils?...r

We had a mud room in our Chicago-area house.  
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John Varela - 01 Feb 2010 21:36 GMT
> >Joe Fineman filted:
> >>
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>
> We had a mud room in our Chicago-area house.  

Don't make waves.

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Hatunen - 01 Feb 2010 20:59 GMT
>Joe Fineman filted:
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>
>If I *had* a drawing room, would I need to bring my own pencils?...r

Or you could just say it the old way, before it was shortened,
"withdrawing room", where one withdrew after dinner.

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Robert Bannister - 02 Feb 2010 00:50 GMT
>> Joe Fineman filted:
>>>
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> Or you could just say it the old way, before it was shortened,
> "withdrawing room", where one withdrew after dinner.

A dangerous method of contraception.

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Zhang Dawei - 02 Feb 2010 07:32 GMT
>> Or you could just say it the old way, before it was shortened,
>> "withdrawing room", where one withdrew after dinner.
>
> A dangerous method of contraception.

Unfortunately,  one can conceive of better ways to avoid preganancy.

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Mike Barnes - 30 Jan 2010 19:34 GMT
"Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <mail@peterduncanson.net>:
>Consider: f.ck, screw, bone, nail, copulate, go to bed with, have sexual
>intercourse, have sexual relations, lay, shag and bonk.

Roger.

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Robin Bignall - 30 Jan 2010 21:24 GMT
>"Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <mail@peterduncanson.net>:
>>Consider: f.ck, screw, bone, nail, copulate, go to bed with, have sexual
>>intercourse, have sexual relations, lay, shag and bonk.
>
>Roger.

Wilco.
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Frank ess - 30 Jan 2010 23:13 GMT
> "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <mail@peterduncanson.net>:
>> Consider: f.ck, screw, bone, nail, copulate, go to bed with, have
>> sexual intercourse, have sexual relations, lay, shag and bonk.
>
> Roger.

Boink.
Steve Hayes - 31 Jan 2010 00:40 GMT
>"Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <mail@peterduncanson.net>:
>>Consider: f.ck, screw, bone, nail, copulate, go to bed with, have sexual
>>intercourse, have sexual relations, lay, shag and bonk.
>
>Roger.

Coitus.

Over and out.

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John Varela - 31 Jan 2010 19:33 GMT
> >"Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <mail@peterduncanson.net>:
> >>Consider: f.ck, screw, bone, nail, copulate, go to bed with, have sexual
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>
> Over and out.

I've never heard either of those last two.

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Robin Bignall - 31 Jan 2010 21:25 GMT
>> >"Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <mail@peterduncanson.net>:
>> >>Consider: f.ck, screw, bone, nail, copulate, go to bed with, have sexual
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>
>I've never heard either of those last two.

From COD:
coitus /"k@UIt@s/
· n. technical sexual intercourse.
– DERIVATIVES coital adj.
– ORIGIN C19: from L., from coire ‘go together’.

"Over and out" was in response to my "Wilco" to someone who was
rogering.
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John Varela - 01 Feb 2010 21:36 GMT
> >> >"Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <mail@peterduncanson.net>:
> >> >>Consider: f.ck, screw, bone, nail, copulate, go to bed with, have sexual
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> From COD:

Whoosh.

> coitus /"k@UIt@s/
> · n. technical sexual intercourse.
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> "Over and out" was in response to my "Wilco" to someone who was
> rogering.

In real radio talk, no one ever says "over and out". "Over" means
"It's your turn to speak." "Out" means "I am ending the
conversation."

http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/22/messages/537.html

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Chuck Riggs - 01 Feb 2010 12:13 GMT
>> >"Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <mail@peterduncanson.net>:
>> >>Consider: f.ck, screw, bone, nail, copulate, go to bed with, have sexual
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>I've never heard either of those last two.

I've seen the word coitus many times, but I'm not sure I've ever heard
it.
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tony cooper - 01 Feb 2010 15:49 GMT
>>> >"Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <mail@peterduncanson.net>:
>>> >>Consider: f.ck, screw, bone, nail, copulate, go to bed with, have sexual
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>I've seen the word coitus many times, but I'm not sure I've ever heard
>it.

That's because the person who was going to speak the word was
interrupted and had to pull out of the conversation.

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James Hogg - 01 Feb 2010 15:57 GMT
>>>>> "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <mail@peterduncanson.net>:
>>>>>> Consider: f.ck, screw, bone, nail, copulate, go to bed with, have sexual
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> That's because the person who was going to speak the word was
> interrupted and had to pull out of the conversation.

Was the person named Onan?

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Jerry Friedman - 01 Feb 2010 18:09 GMT
> >> >"Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net>:
> >> >>Consider: f.ck, screw, bone, nail, copulate, go to bed with, have sexual
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> I've seen the word coitus many times, but I'm not sure I've ever heard
> it.

When I was about nine, I had a friend at summer camp named Curtis (his
last name--we called each other by last names).  I called him "Coitus"
in an attempt at Brooklynese till he explained why he didn't want me
to.  This later gave me trouble learning the three-syllable
pronunciation.

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Chuck Riggs - 02 Feb 2010 12:54 GMT
>> >> >"Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net>:
>> >> >>Consider: f.ck, screw, bone, nail, copulate, go to bed with, have sexual
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>to.  This later gave me trouble learning the three-syllable
>pronunciation.

Coitus without three syllables would lack some oomph.
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Adam Funk - 31 Jan 2010 21:22 GMT
> That is sometimes true. In other cases some words for a referent may be
> acceptable in polite company but others not.

gawk; touch; finger; unzip; mount; fsck; more; fsck; more;
fsck; yes; umount; make clean; zip

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Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 31 Jan 2010 21:37 GMT
>> That is sometimes true. In other cases some words for a referent may be
>> acceptable in polite company but others not.
>
>gawk; touch; finger; unzip; mount; fsck; more; fsck; more;
>fsck; yes; umount; make clean; zip

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Reinhold {Rey} Aman - 28 Jan 2010 08:16 GMT
[...]

> The library copy of "The Canterbury Tales" fell open
> at even more titillating sections.

How queynte!

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Peter Moylan - 28 Jan 2010 08:05 GMT
> "[1943 in G. Legman Limerick (1953) 98 Said an airy young fairy named
> Jess, 'The oral requires some finesse, While in method the anal Is
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>
> Note to John V: The pronunciation of "banal" ought to satisfy you.

Now I'm trying to imagine someone saying /@nA:l/.

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John Varela - 28 Jan 2010 20:47 GMT
> The online OED might not be selected as the alternative. The editors
> couldn't resist the temptation to start the quotations with one that
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Note to John V: The pronunciation of "banal" ought to satisfy you.

It does indeed. Thank you. I was already mentally composing my
comment when I came to this last line, which rendered any but a
courtesy reply redundant.

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Robert Bannister - 29 Jan 2010 01:48 GMT
> Are there any good dictionaries that don't have "oral sex"?

Strange as it may seem, it's not a phrase I have ever thought of looking
up. Of course, I can't judge online activities, but looking at my
bookshelves, I would say that my dictionaries don't have sex at all.

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Peter Moylan - 29 Jan 2010 13:30 GMT
>> Are there any good dictionaries that don't have "oral sex"?
>
> Strange as it may seem, it's not a phrase I have ever thought of looking
> up. Of course, I can't judge online activities, but looking at my
> bookshelves, I would say that my dictionaries don't have sex at all.

And that's probably a good thing. I don't have enough bookshelf space as
it is.

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