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Masa - 28 Jan 2010 16:04 GMT
Let me ask a question about "Rosario" in the following sentences from
a novel.

Already, she is planning for the defense to huff and puff about
Rosario this and that.
(Last Precinct, by P.Cornwell, p210)

Context: She's a prosecuting attorney for New York. She's planning how
to make it hard for the defense  on a case.

Qesution: about "Rosario"
Rosario sounds like a human name, but it has come out suddenly in the
story.
So, I think, it's not just a name.
Rosario must have a meaning. What's that meaning?
Cheryl - 28 Jan 2010 16:16 GMT
> Let me ask a question about "Rosario" in the following sentences from
> a novel.
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> So, I think, it's not just a name.
> Rosario must have a meaning. What's that meaning?

I think it is just a name; the name of a person. She expects the defence
to be so annoyed about either Rosario or Rosario's testimony that
they'll just huff and puff about that and miss her real attack.

I liked Cornwell's very early books, but gave up on them long ago
because I disliked the writing so much. And the characters too,
actually. It wouldn't surprise me if Cornwell had slipped up in her plot
and introduced Rosario so abruptly that it was confusing.

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Masa - 28 Jan 2010 16:28 GMT
> I think it is just a name; the name of a person. She expects the defence
> to be so annoyed about either Rosario or Rosario's testimony that
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> Cheryl- 引用テキストを表示しない -

Thanks. You must be right.   Rosario will come up later as a
character..
That makes sense if we think so.
Nick Spalding - 28 Jan 2010 17:46 GMT
Cheryl wrote, in <7sdrjfF9h1U1@mid.individual.net>
on Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:46:46 -0330:

> > Let me ask a question about "Rosario" in the following sentences from
> > a novel.
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> actually. It wouldn't surprise me if Cornwell had slipped up in her plot
> and introduced Rosario so abruptly that it was confusing.

I wonder if it is a reference to some piece of case law, like Miranda
Rights.
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Nick Spalding - 28 Jan 2010 17:48 GMT
Nick Spalding wrote, in <88j3m59at42cs96vqsdumgg3ckk4moslgp@4ax.com>
on Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:46:15 +0000:

> Cheryl wrote, in <7sdrjfF9h1U1@mid.individual.net>
>  on Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:46:46 -0330:
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> I wonder if it is a reference to some piece of case law, like Miranda
> Rights.

I sent too soon.  It is. <http://definitions.uslegal.com/r/rosario/>
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tony cooper - 28 Jan 2010 19:58 GMT
>Nick Spalding wrote, in <88j3m59at42cs96vqsdumgg3ckk4moslgp@4ax.com>
> on Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:46:15 +0000:
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>
>I sent too soon.  It is. <http://definitions.uslegal.com/r/rosario/>

And I should have read ahead in the thread before posting.

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James Hogg - 28 Jan 2010 17:51 GMT
> Cheryl wrote, in <7sdrjfF9h1U1@mid.individual.net> on Thu, 28 Jan
> 2010 12:46:46 -0330:
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> I wonder if it is a reference to some piece of case law, like Miranda
>  Rights.

Something like this?

"For more than thirty years, since our decision in People v Rosario (9
NY2d 286), it has been a fundamental precept of this State's criminal
jurisprudence that the People are obligated to give to the defendant,
for use during cross-examination, any nonconfidential written or
recorded statements of a prosecution witness that relate to the subject
matter of the witness' testimony. Prior to Rosario, the defendant was
entitled to see only those statements that, in the judgment of the trial
court, contained matter that was inconsistent with the witness'
testimony (see, People v Walsh, 262 NY 140, 149).

We concluded in Rosario, however, that the potential impeachment value
of a witness' prior statement could best be determined by the
"single-minded counsel for the accused" (People v Rosario, supra, at
290) and that the trial court's evaluation was an inadequate substitute.
That conclusion, based upon notions of fundamental fairness or, as we
termed it in Rosario, "a right sense of justice" (id. at 289), was later
endorsed by the Legislature, which codified the Rosario holding and
imposed a reciprocal obligation on the defendant (see, CPL 240.45). Our
extension of the principle to pretrial hearings (see, People v Malinsky,
15 NY2d 86) was similarly codified (see, CPL 240.44)."

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Stefan Ram - 28 Jan 2010 17:19 GMT
>Already, she is planning for the defense to huff and puff about
>Rosario this and that.
>(Last Precinct, by P.Cornwell, p210)

 This reminds me of a similar rare word, the meaning of which
 I do not know (lyrics by Joan Osborne):

     Every stone a story, like a rosary

 Of course, I could look it up in a dictionary, but that would
 be quite boring.

                            ~~

 Ok, I did just that (looked it up) and found that the two
 words are supposed to have the same meaning indeed.
Cheryl - 28 Jan 2010 17:25 GMT
>> Already, she is planning for the defense to huff and puff about
>> Rosario this and that.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>   Ok, I did just that (looked it up) and found that the two
>   words are supposed to have the same meaning indeed.

I'm surprised you find 'rosary' to be a rare word. "Rosario" is not a
common name in my part of the world, but I'd have expected 'rosary' to
be much more widely known, even among those who don't themselves use one
  for religious purposes.

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Stefan Ram - 28 Jan 2010 19:10 GMT
>Ok, I did just that (looked it up) and found that the two
>words are supposed to have the same meaning indeed.

 In the meantime, I also learned that »rosario« is the/an
 italian word for »rosary«.
Cheryl - 28 Jan 2010 19:12 GMT
>> Ok, I did just that (looked it up) and found that the two
>> words are supposed to have the same meaning indeed.
>
>   In the meantime, I also learned that »rosario« is the/an
>   italian word for »rosary«.

It's also the Spanish word for 'rosary' - in fact, Spanish was my first
assumption, not Italian.

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Ray O'Hara - 28 Jan 2010 17:41 GMT
> Let me ask a question about "Rosario" in the following sentences from
> a novel.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> So, I think, it's not just a name.
> Rosario must have a meaning. What's that meaning?

Rosario is a name of Italian origin, it can be either a male or female name
or a family name.
tony cooper - 28 Jan 2010 19:57 GMT
>Let me ask a question about "Rosario" in the following sentences from
>a novel.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>So, I think, it's not just a name.
>Rosario must have a meaning. What's that meaning?

I don't have the book, but it may refer to a well-known case.  For
example, Carlos Rosario (New York) was called "poster child for
predatory sexual assault" (teen and pre-teen girls).  Anthony Rosario
and Hilton Vega were shot after (allegedly) surrendering to NYPD
officers.

Some context on the case in the novel could provide further
understanding.

It could be the same as seeing "Miranda" in an account that has
nothing to do with an individual named "Miranda".  It refers to a
court case/ruling.


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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

Ray O'Hara - 29 Jan 2010 03:11 GMT
>>Let me ask a question about "Rosario" in the following sentences from
>>a novel.
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> nothing to do with an individual named "Miranda".  It refers to a
> court case/ruling.

Mr Rosario Lechiara was a great candlepin bowler.
Rosario Dawson is a current hottie actress.
 
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