How many Eskimo words for "snowmobile"?
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Berkeley Brett - 07 Feb 2010 11:42 GMT One often hears that Eskimos have an unusually large number of words for "snow."
The Wikipedia article on this subject proclaims this an "urban legend":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo_words_for_snow
Perhaps they do have 23 different words for "snowmobile" though....
By the way, what's "urban" about "urban legends"? Are there such things as "rural legends" or "suburban legends"?
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Cheryl - 07 Feb 2010 11:58 GMT > One often hears that Eskimos have an unusually large number of words > for "snow." [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > "The 100 finest sites on the Web, all in one place!" > Widely-watched non-profit ranking of top Internet sites I guess that urban legends are always told by people who live in towns or cities - most of them are about various urban terrors, like the carjacker who hides in the back seat of the car. Maybe rural legends are more likely to be about giant black ghost dogs roaming the fields or the Good Folk lurking in the back woods to steal your baby.
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Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 07 Feb 2010 13:26 GMT >By the way, what's "urban" about "urban legends"? Are there such >things as "rural legends" or "suburban legends"? There is an article on the phrases "urban myth", "urban legend", etc. http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/urban-myth.html
The writer says, in part:
Note: This is a language site and so we are primarily concerned here with the meaning and origin of the term 'urban myth' rather than with the myths themselves,...
This topic is such a cans of worms that I hardly know where to begin. The words used in the little term 'urban myth' are contentious in themselves, so let's start there. Why 'urban'? The setting of these stories isn't limited to cities. For example, the Vanishing Hitch-hiker tale is usually set on some deserted back road. The stories that fall in the 'urban myth' category aren't limited to city life - they are those that are set in contemporary industrialized societies, as distinct from traditional folklore tales. Then there's 'myth'. Many students of this field prefer the terms 'urban legend' or 'urban folklore'. 'Myth' implies that the stories are all false and, whilst most of them clearly are, some may contain elements of truth. In fact, one of the essential factors in a plausible retelling is the introduction of real events; ...
Perhaps a name that is nearer to being definitive of this form of story would be 'contemporary legend'.
OED:
urban legend n. orig. U.S. a sensational but apocryphal story which through repetition in varying versions has acquired the status of folklore, esp. one lent plausibility by its contemporary setting, or by the purported involvement of someone known to the teller. 1968... urban myth n. orig. U.S. = urban legend n. 1982...
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Steve Hayes - 07 Feb 2010 15:17 GMT >>By the way, what's "urban" about "urban legends"? Are there such >>things as "rural legends" or "suburban legends"? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > elements of truth. In fact, one of the essential factors in a > plausible retelling is the introduction of real events; ... I prefer the term "urban legend" to "urban myth", but for an entirely different reason. As I understand it, a legend is simply a tale or story, which might have a moral (eg don't trust strangers) but does not try to communicate some profound truth about life, the universe and everything, which myth usually does,
> Perhaps a name that is nearer to being definitive of this form of > story would be 'contemporary legend'. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > urban myth n. orig. U.S. = urban legend n. > 1982...
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Don Phillipson - 07 Feb 2010 14:07 GMT > By the way, what's "urban" about "urban legends"? Are there such > things as "rural legends" or "suburban legends"? Late Victorian scholarship exposed as fallacies many ancient traditional beliefs, e.g. that King Arthur burned some woman's cakes, e.g. that yellow plants cured yellow diseases like jaundice. The general idea emerged that only backward country folk maintained such fallacious legends: modern townsmen were too sophisticated to take such legends seriously. But in the 20th century too many cases emerged confirming that modern townsmen were just as gullible and gormless as the rural people they despised . . .
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the Omrud - 07 Feb 2010 14:32 GMT >> By the way, what's "urban" about "urban legends"? Are there such >> things as "rural legends" or "suburban legends"? > > Late Victorian scholarship exposed as fallacies many ancient > traditional beliefs, e.g. that King Arthur burned some woman's cakes, Really? I never heard that one.
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Nick Spalding - 07 Feb 2010 15:04 GMT the Omrud wrote, in <W9Abn.37211$Ym4.190@text.news.virginmedia.com> on Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:32:22 GMT:
> >> By the way, what's "urban" about "urban legends"? Are there such > >> things as "rural legends" or "suburban legends"? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Really? I never heard that one. Arthur, Alfred what's the difference?
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the Omrud - 07 Feb 2010 15:07 GMT > the Omrud wrote, in<W9Abn.37211$Ym4.190@text.news.virginmedia.com> > on Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:32:22 GMT: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Arthur, Alfred – what's the difference? Actual historical existence?
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Mike Page - 07 Feb 2010 19:13 GMT >> the Omrud wrote, in<W9Abn.37211$Ym4.190@text.news.virginmedia.com> >> on Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:32:22 GMT: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Actual historical existence? And Alfred, used 'less', when pedants demand 'fewer', according to OED.
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Roland Hutchinson - 11 Feb 2010 06:15 GMT >> the Omrud wrote, in<W9Abn.37211$Ym4.190@text.news.virginmedia.com> >> on Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:32:22 GMT: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Actual historical existence? Picky, picky, picky!
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Steve Hayes - 07 Feb 2010 15:39 GMT >the Omrud wrote, in <W9Abn.37211$Ym4.190@text.news.virginmedia.com> > on Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:32:22 GMT: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Arthur, Alfred what's the difference? Arthur was a myth.
The story that Alfred burnt the cakes was a legend.
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Pat Durkin - 07 Feb 2010 16:42 GMT >>the Omrud wrote, in <W9Abn.37211$Ym4.190@text.news.virginmedia.com> >> on Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:32:22 GMT: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > The story that Alfred burnt the cakes was a legend. Right. He didn't burn them. He was supposed to watch them, and he wasn't up to the job. I suppose he thought it would be an easy job, since the watched pot doesn't boil. Ergo: why would the cakes burn?
Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 07 Feb 2010 16:48 GMT >>the Omrud wrote, in <W9Abn.37211$Ym4.190@text.news.virginmedia.com> >> on Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:32:22 GMT: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Arthur was a myth. But: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article7017980.ece
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>The story that Alfred burnt the cakes was a legend.
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Cheryl - 07 Feb 2010 17:25 GMT >>> By the way, what's "urban" about "urban legends"? Are there such >>> things as "rural legends" or "suburban legends"? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Really? I never heard that one. Oh, yes, I did, and believed every word! King Alfred was wandering around the countryside feeling very downcast and sorry for himself. A poor woman offered him some cakes she was baking by the fire, and left the stranger to watch them. Absorbed in his troubles, he let them burn, but her scolding inspired him to rally again and become a great hero.
Or something like that.
Next, someone's going to tell me that Robert the Bruce wasn't inspired to great achievements by the spider he observed while lurking in a cave alone (except for the spider) and depressed.
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the Omrud - 07 Feb 2010 18:24 GMT >>>> By the way, what's "urban" about "urban legends"? Are there such >>>> things as "rural legends" or "suburban legends"? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the stranger to watch them. Absorbed in his troubles, he let them burn, > but her scolding inspired him to rally again and become a great hero. That doesn't really help with the story about King Arthur.
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Nick - 07 Feb 2010 19:54 GMT >>>>> By the way, what's "urban" about "urban legends"? Are there such >>>>> things as "rural legends" or "suburban legends"? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > That doesn't really help with the story about King Arthur. "Alfred ought never to be confused with King Arthur, equally memorable but probably non-existent and therefore perhaps less important historically (unless he did exist)".
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Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 07 Feb 2010 20:00 GMT >>>>> By the way, what's "urban" about "urban legends"? Are there such >>>>> things as "rural legends" or "suburban legends"? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >That doesn't really help with the story about King Arthur. King Arthur did not make cake mixture let along bake it. He had a wizard to do things like that for him. Merlin's cakes were *magic*.
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Cheryl - 07 Feb 2010 21:59 GMT >>>>> By the way, what's "urban" about "urban legends"? Are there such >>>>> things as "rural legends" or "suburban legends"? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > That doesn't really help with the story about King Arthur. I was so familiar with the King Alfred story that I read what I thought should be there, not what actually was.
It isn't the first time I've done that, unfortunately.
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Peter Moylan - 08 Feb 2010 11:40 GMT > Next, someone's going to tell me that Robert the Bruce wasn't inspired > to great achievements by the spider he observed while lurking in a cave > alone (except for the spider) and depressed. Wasn't R the B also inspired by seeing two raindrops racing each other down a window pane, and observing that one beat the other? (Or, possibly, vice versa?)
On second thoughts, perhaps that was Christopher Robin.
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the Omrud - 08 Feb 2010 11:51 GMT >> Next, someone's going to tell me that Robert the Bruce wasn't inspired >> to great achievements by the spider he observed while lurking in a cave [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > On second thoughts, perhaps that was Christopher Robin. Just before he unified Scotland?
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Peter Moylan - 08 Feb 2010 12:12 GMT >>> Next, someone's going to tell me that Robert the Bruce wasn't inspired >>> to great achievements by the spider he observed while lurking in a cave [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Just before he unified Scotland? My geography is a little shaky. Is Scotland part of the Hundred Aker Wood?
Hold on, though, I've just remembered. Scotland wasn't unified by King Arthur. It was some fellow called Scotland the Brave.
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the Omrud - 08 Feb 2010 12:15 GMT >>>> Next, someone's going to tell me that Robert the Bruce wasn't inspired >>>> to great achievements by the spider he observed while lurking in a cave [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Hold on, though, I've just remembered. Scotland wasn't unified by King > Arthur. It was some fellow called Scotland the Brave. I thought it was an angry Australian named Max.
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musika - 08 Feb 2010 17:27 GMT >>>>> Next, someone's going to tell me that Robert the Bruce wasn't >>>>> inspired to great achievements by the spider he observed while [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I thought it was an angry Australian named Max. Was he the one who burnt the bannocks?
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Mike Lyle - 08 Feb 2010 22:55 GMT >>>>>> Next, someone's going to tell me that Robert the Bruce wasn't >>>>>> inspired to great achievements by the spider he observed while [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Was he the one who burnt the bannocks? That story's a load of bannocks.
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John Holmes - 22 Feb 2010 09:36 GMT > I thought it was an angry Australian named Max. They are about to make yet another sequel. This time I guess they'll have to call it Grumpy Old Max.
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Stan Brown - 07 Feb 2010 15:18 GMT Sun, 7 Feb 2010 09:07:56 -0500 from Don Phillipson <e925 @SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca>:
> Late Victorian scholarship exposed as fallacies many ancient > traditional beliefs, e.g. that King Arthur burned some woman's cakes, Well, of course: Arthur was a myth.
Everyone knows it was King Alfred. :-)
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the Omrud - 07 Feb 2010 15:20 GMT > Sun, 7 Feb 2010 09:07:56 -0500 from Don Phillipson<e925 > @SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca>: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Everyone knows it was King Alfred. :-) Q: Is it a myth that King Arthur burned the cakes? A: No, this is not a myth.
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John O'Flaherty - 07 Feb 2010 20:35 GMT >> Sun, 7 Feb 2010 09:07:56 -0500 from Don Phillipson<e925 >> @SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca>: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Q: Is it a myth that King Arthur burned the cakes? >A: No, this is not a myth. There, there... nothing ith a myth.
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James Silverton - 07 Feb 2010 20:44 GMT John wrote on Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:35:19 -0600:
>>> Sun, 7 Feb 2010 09:07:56 -0500 from Don Phillipson<e925 >>> @SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca>: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> Q: Is it a myth that King Arthur burned the cakes? >> A: No, this is not a myth.
> There, there... nothing ith a myth. Even so, a myth is not necessarily untrue. The OED has:
1. a. A traditional story, typically involving supernatural beings or forces, which embodies and provides an explanation, aetiology, or justification for something such as the early history of a society, a religious belief or ritual, or a natural phenomenon. Myth is strictly distinguished from allegory and legend by some scholars, but in general use it is often used interchangeably with these terms
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Don Phillipson - 07 Feb 2010 22:36 GMT > Even so, a myth is not necessarily untrue. The OED has: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > scholars, but in general use it is often used interchangeably with these > terms Canadians see things differently, e.g. Donald Harmon Akenson: "I use the term 'myth' not to mean an untrue set of views about historical events, but views of the past that take on extraempirical meaning, by virtue of being closely related to the society's views of its collective identity and its special, virtually divine, origin" in God's Peoples: Covenant and Land in South Africa, Israel, and Ulster (McGill-Queens Univ. Press, 1991) p. 138
This originates with Northrop Frye (Toronto literary scholar): "Ideology is always a secondary and derivative thing, and... the primary thing is a mythology.... People don't think up a set of assumptions or beliefs; they think up a set of stories, and derive the assumptions and beliefs from the stories" in Criticism in Society, ed. Imre Salusinzsky (London: Methuen, 1987) p. 31.
-- and elsewhere, "Man invents the wheel and in no time he's talking nonsense about a wheel of fate or a wheel of fortune or a wheel as a cosmological force which is alienating him from himself. He invents the book, and he starts talking about the book of life, in which all your sins are recorded. He invents the computer, and God knows what he's projecting out of that. But it's all superstition" in David Cayley's Northrop Frye in Conversation (Anansi, 1992) p. 161
Short form: a myth is a story (narrative) that resists verification, i.e. is believed or provides the basis for action regardless of who proves or disproves it, under whatever circumstances.
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>-- and elsewhere, "Man invents the wheel and in no time he's >talking nonsense about a wheel of fate or a wheel of fortune or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >and God knows what he's projecting out of that. But it's all superstition" >in David Cayley's Northrop Frye in Conversation (Anansi, 1992) p. 161 I think it was Carl Sagan who suggested that civilizations who have just discovered the wireless tend to think that Messages From Beyond must naturally be sent by radio, just as those who have just invented the wheel think that such Messages will be found encoded in the decimal expansion of pi....r
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Cheryl - 08 Feb 2010 10:23 GMT >> Even so, a myth is not necessarily untrue. The OED has: >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > is believed or provides the basis for action regardless of who proves > or disproves it, under whatever circumstances. I've read that a myth is more true than a factual account (I think I have that correct). I still haven't quite figured out what that means; I think (because the author, Tom Harpur, was writing about religion) it meant that myth can allude to greater truths than can be expressed in ordinary language.
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Richard Bollard - 09 Feb 2010 04:55 GMT > John wrote on Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:35:19 -0600: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Even so, a myth is not necessarily untrue. ...
And urban myths may also be true. What makes them myth is the way they are propagated, not their origin.
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Cheryl - 09 Feb 2010 11:41 GMT >> John wrote on Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:35:19 -0600: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > And urban myths may also be true. What makes them myth is the way they > are propagated, not their origin. I thought urban myths were untrue. They aren't based on a real incident; they arise quite independently, in theory as a result of people's anxieties over what might happen, and desire to warn others away from dangerous actions. So although, tragically, children sometimes are abducted, the classic UL version set in a theme park or mall, often with the addition of hair-dying in the bathroom, didn't happen and wasn't based on any specific incident. And, of course, the most common real scenario - parental abduction over custody disputes - isn't included in the myth.
Years ago, that story hit the media here - local child abducted while in Disney World! It was a classic example of the myth - and so many people believed it that the local media investigated and were unable to find any parents who had lost a child anywhere, and no reports to the police in either Florida or here.
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sjdevnull@yahoo.com - 09 Feb 2010 15:56 GMT > > And urban myths may also be true. What makes them myth is the way they > > are propagated, not their origin. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > anxieties over what might happen, and desire to warn others away from > dangerous actions. FWIW (which may be very little if you belief that urban legends and urban myths are different and this is a distinguishing point), the alt.folklore.urban FAQ says that urban legends can be true and often have a basis in fact:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/folklore-faq/part1/
An urban legend: * appears mysteriously and spreads spontaneously in varying forms, * contains elements of humor or horror (the horror often "punishes" someone who flouts society's conventions). * makes good storytelling. * does NOT have to be false, although most are. ULs often have a basis in fact, but it's their life after-the-fact (particularly in reference to the second and third points) that gives them particular interest. ... As noted elsewhere in this list and by astute individuals on the net, an UL does not have to be false. If we take the example of "The Unsolvable Math Problem" (see below), we find that mathematician George Dantzig is the probable individual involved. So is this story no longer an UL? Jan Harold Brunvand addresses this issue thusly:
"Despite finding its [The Unsolvable Math Problem] apparent origin, I continue to accept anonymous versions as legendary. Here's why."
"An oral story is a story, whatever its origin. As long as a story continues to circulate in different variations, partly by word of mouth, we may regard it as folklore. But probably 'The Unsolvable Math Problem' legend should no longer be discussed as strictly 'apocryphal,' since we now seem to have found its source, and the deviations from the original incident are easily recognized and are not excessive."
- JHB, _Curses! Broiled Again!_, p. 282
Veracity is interesting but far from the only thing when it comes to the study of urban legends.
Evan Kirshenbaum - 09 Feb 2010 16:17 GMT >> And urban myths may also be true. What makes them myth is the way >> they are propagated, not their origin. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > most common real scenario - parental abduction over custody disputes - > isn't included in the myth. The myth as told will be untrue, but not infrequently it may be a serial elaboration of something that is true.
I once witnessed how the process can start. I had seen a piece on the news (complete with footage, so I was sure it was true). I talked about it at lunch the next day and added what you might call an "ironic coda" as a joke at the end, being confident that everybody at my table understood that the bit at the end was something I made up. Later that afternoon, I heard somebody who had been at the *next* table repeat the story--including my coda--with no indication that the last element wasn't actually part of the story. He obviously hadn't realized that I had been joking, and it *did* make it a better story.
I've also heard people who obviously misheard news reports make up (upon being challenged) ways in which what they thought they heard could be plausible and, again, people who hear it not be able to distinguish between what was reported and what was made up.
And, of course, I've heard people relate things the saw in fiction and have others repeat it as if it had been reported as happening in fact.
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Chuck Riggs - 10 Feb 2010 14:54 GMT >>> And urban myths may also be true. What makes them myth is the way >>> they are propagated, not their origin. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >The myth as told will be untrue, but not infrequently it may be a >serial elaboration of something that is true. You disagree with what <sjdevnull@yahoo.com> had to say on the subject, today?
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Evan Kirshenbaum - 10 Feb 2010 16:07 GMT >>>> And urban myths may also be true. What makes them myth is the way >>>> they are propagated, not their origin. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > You disagree with what <sjdevnull@yahoo.com> had to say on the > subject, today? What in particular? I've heard some that were defintely based on true stories (i.e., the math student who came to class late, copied down the unsolved problems on the board thinking they were homework and solved them, which really happened to George Dantzig), but I don't think I've heard anything I'd consider an urban legend/myth that didn't, once the source was discovered, turn out to have had extra elements added that made them more interesting and/or worth retelling.
For instance, in the Dantzig story, the story is typically told with the student solving them in class (often "just as time ran out") or turning them in the next day. (Dantzig's version has him turning them in a few days later, asking if the prof would still accept them.) And it nearly always includes the element of the student having been able to solve all but one of the three (or ten) problems. (Dantzig says that there were two and he solved both.) Somehow that "all but one" makes it both more interesting and more believable.
And, interestingly, the stories leave out the (asserted true) element of the professor, having come across the papers on his desk weeks later and not realizing they were done as homework, assumes that they were papers to be submitted to a journal and calls up the (very confused) student saying that he had written an introduction to one of them.
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> What in particular? I've heard some that were defintely based on true > stories (i.e., the math student who came to class late, copied down > the unsolved problems on the board thinking they were homework and > solved them, which really happened to George Dantzig), "i.e."? Surely not -- unless 'some" and "were" are wrong.
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Evan Kirshenbaum - 11 Feb 2010 14:39 GMT > Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:07:21 -0800 from Evan Kirshenbaum > <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com>: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > "i.e."? Surely not -- unless 'some" and "were" are wrong. Surely not. I can't remember if that was an incomplete edit or if I just changed the way I was going to say it while I was typing it. Or just screwed up.
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Chuck Riggs - 11 Feb 2010 16:45 GMT >>>>> And urban myths may also be true. What makes them myth is the way >>>>> they are propagated, not their origin. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >What in particular? Quoting him:
"An urban legend: * appears mysteriously and spreads spontaneously in varying forms, * contains elements of humor or horror (the horror often "punishes" someone who flouts society's conventions). * makes good storytelling. * does NOT have to be false, although most are. ULs often have a basis in fact, but it's their life after-the-fact (particularly in reference to the second and third points) that gives them particular interest. I've heard some that were definitely based on true [sic]"
In other words, even though they are not necessarily true, they often add humour to a true story. Humor, that is, Evan, as in funny.
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Evan Kirshenbaum - 11 Feb 2010 17:25 GMT >>>>The myth as told will be untrue, but not infrequently it may be a >>>>serial elaboration of something that is true. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > * appears mysteriously and spreads spontaneously in varying > forms, I don't disagree, at least if "appears" means "when you first encounter it". It probably wouldn't be all that mysterious if you could follow the entire evolution, but typically it evolves elsewhere and arrives in your sight fully formed.
> * contains elements of humor or horror (the horror often > "punishes" someone who flouts society's conventions). I agree with that, although it's probably incomplete. The humor is often one of irony and either deals with someone "getting away with something" or "getting what they deserved".
> * makes good storytelling. Definitely.
> * does NOT have to be false, although most are. ULs often > have a basis in fact, but it's their life after-the-fact > (particularly in reference to the second and third points) > that gives them particular interest. I've heard some that were > definitely based on true [sic]" I agree with that. They may have a *basis in* fact, but elements are typically added to make better storytelling or punch up the moral. That's what I meant by a "serial elaboration": one person adds something that makes it a better story, then another takes that part at face value, but adds something else, and so on.
> In other words, even though they are not necessarily true, they > often add humour to a true story. Humor, that is, Evan, as in > funny. I'm not sure what you saw in my message (which included the anecdote of my taking a true story and adding a joke and having that be picked up as part of the story, made more interesting because of the joke) that would lead you to believe that I disagreed with that. Or that I didn't know what "humor" was.
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Richard Bollard - 12 Feb 2010 04:50 GMT ...
>> * does NOT have to be false, although most are. ULs often >> have a basis in fact, but it's their life after-the-fact [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >something that makes it a better story, then another takes that part >at face value, but adds something else, and so on. Quite often the elaboration is just proximity to the teller. The story may be perfectly true and accurate but the added, false detail is usually that it happened to a friend of a friend. It never happened to the teller, for example.
Many of these stories seem to have two degrees of separation. Any more and it loses something. So if I hear one and decide to pass it on. I would claim that it happened to a friend of someone I know even though I heard of it happening to a friend of a friend of the person who told it to me.
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Chuck Riggs - 12 Feb 2010 12:10 GMT <snip>
>>Humor, that is, Evan, as in >> funny. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >that would lead you to believe that I disagreed with that. Or that I >didn't know what "humor" was. I wish I had the time and patience to unravel the entire meaning of that, Evan, really I do, but your last suspicion is correct.
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sjdevnull@yahoo.com - 12 Feb 2010 06:55 GMT > On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:07:21 -0800, Evan Kirshenbaum > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Quoting him: Just to clarify, the following were my quotes of the alt.folklore.urban FAQ. I think that I believe that urban legends are not necessarily false, but I haven't strongly considered all of the quoted points.
Richard Bollard - 09 Feb 2010 04:53 GMT >>> Sun, 7 Feb 2010 09:07:56 -0500 from Don Phillipson<e925 >>> @SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca>: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >There, there... nothing ith a myth. A myth is a female moth. I thought everybody knew that.
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tony cooper - 09 Feb 2010 06:09 GMT >>>> Sun, 7 Feb 2010 09:07:56 -0500 from Don Phillipson<e925 >>>> @SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca>: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >A myth is a female moth. I thought everybody knew that. Who else is thinking of Peter Sellers as Inspector Clouseau?
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R H Draney - 09 Feb 2010 08:38 GMT tony cooper filted:
>>>>> Sun, 7 Feb 2010 09:07:56 -0500 from Don Phillipson<e925 >>>>> @SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca>: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Who else is thinking of Peter Sellers as Inspector Clouseau? I wasn't until just now...I was thinking of a series of comic fantasy books by Robert Lynn Asprin....r
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Fred - 07 Feb 2010 14:43 GMT > One often hears that Eskimos have an unusually large number of words > for "snow." [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Best wishes to all.... Are we allowed to use the term Eskimos? Apparantely a recent visitor to our shores thought not. .http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2348856/Eskimos-to-stay-maker-says
Fred - 07 Feb 2010 14:48 GMT >> One often hears that Eskimos have an unusually large number of words >> for "snow." [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > our shores thought not. > .http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2348856/Eskimos-to-stay-maker-says I'll try a lnk that works! http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/2349017/Eskimo-lollies-rile-Inuit
James Hogg - 07 Feb 2010 15:01 GMT >>> One often hears that Eskimos have an unusually large number of words >>> for "snow." [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I'll try a lnk that works! > http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/2349017/Eskimo-lollies-rile-Inuit Cross-thread alert! Here's a link that works: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chokladboll
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Steve Hayes - 07 Feb 2010 15:50 GMT >>> One often hears that Eskimos have an unusually large number of words >>> for "snow." [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >I'll try a lnk that works! >http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/2349017/Eskimo-lollies-rile-Inuit In South Africa in my youth we had Eskimo Pies, which were vanilla ice cream coated with chocolate. They were a trade name but though the manucacturer has gone out of business, the name persists for lollies by other manufacturers which consist of ice cream covered with chocolate. There is one called "Magnum", which I believe is sold under different names in different countries, but we still sometimes refer to them as Eskimo Pies.
It's not intended as an insult to anyone, and just suggest that they resemble pies in having an inside and a crust, but they are cold instead of hot. No one believes that Eskimos actually make them, but most people know that the majority of Eskimos live in a cold climate.
And the person who complained may bot be right on other things. While all Inuit may be Eskimos, not all Eskimos are Inuit. A Yup'ik Eskimo might be quite offended at being called Inuit.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yup%27ik
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John O'Flaherty - 07 Feb 2010 20:42 GMT >>>> One often hears that Eskimos have an unusually large number of words >>>> for "snow." [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >"Magnum", which I believe is sold under different names in different >countries, but we still sometimes refer to them as Eskimo Pies. They're still around in the U.S.- http://www.eskimopie.com/
>It's not intended as an insult to anyone, and just suggest that they resemble >pies in having an inside and a crust, but they are cold instead of hot. No one [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yup%27ik Fred - 07 Feb 2010 20:49 GMT >>>>> One often hears that Eskimos have an unusually large number of words >>>>> for "snow." [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > They're still around in the U.S.- > http://www.eskimopie.com/ They're still around in New Zealand too. We also have Magnums and chocolate bombs. The Eskimo pie is similar but without a stick.
Steve Hayes - 08 Feb 2010 05:42 GMT >On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:50:47 +0200, Steve Hayes
>>In South Africa in my youth we had Eskimo Pies, which were vanilla ice cream >>coated with chocolate. They were a trade name but though the manucacturer has [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >They're still around in the U.S.- >http://www.eskimopie.com/ The biggest one in the picture is what is colloquially referred to as an Eskimo pie, though one manufacturer calls it a "Magnum" and another a "Feast".
The original article that did have the name was rectangular, and wasn't a lolly (ie no stick).
>>It's not intended as an insult to anyone, and just suggest that they resemble >>pies in having an inside and a crust, but they are cold instead of hot. No one [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yup%27ik
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Roland Hutchinson - 11 Feb 2010 06:29 GMT >>On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:50:47 +0200, Steve Hayes > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > The original article that did have the name was rectangular, and wasn't > a lolly (ie no stick). A more recent American brand invoking the mythological frozen north, likewise stickless, and as far as I know considered unobjectionable by all, is the Klondike Bar.
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Evan Kirshenbaum - 08 Feb 2010 00:17 GMT > "Fred" <reg@parachute.net.nz> wrote in message >> Are we allowed to use the term Eskimos? Apparantely a recent visitor to >> our shores thought not. >> .http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2348856/Eskimos-to-stay-maker-says > I'll try a lnk that works! > http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/2349017/Eskimo-lollies-rile-Inuit That Canadian tourist needs to read a bit more about the cultures described by the term "Eskimo". While it's true that the vast majority of Eskimos in Canada (and Greenland) are Inuit, that's not the case elsewhere. Those in Alaska (and Siberia) are, I believe, primarily Yup'ik.
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