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minimus - 10 Feb 2010 11:35 GMT
Why "I trained in" is ok whereas we should say "I am trained in"?

Why do not I need the auxiliary verb "be" when using "trained in"?
Cheryl - 10 Feb 2010 12:01 GMT
> Why "I trained in" is ok whereas we should say "I am trained in"?
> Why do not I need the auxiliary verb "be" when using "trained in"?

One is the simple past. I might have trained in something so many years
ago that I no longer remember much about it, or have the license to
carry the work out. For example, I could say "I trained in nursing, but
I haven't  worked as a nurse in over twenty years and don't have a
current license." If, instead, i say "I am trained in nursing" I am
implying that although my training was in the past, I still have my
nursing skills.

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Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 10 Feb 2010 12:18 GMT
>> Why "I trained in" is ok whereas we should say "I am trained in"?
>> Why do not I need the auxiliary verb "be" when using "trained in"?
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>implying that although my training was in the past, I still have my
>nursing skills.

There are two uses of "train". One is transitive the other is
intransitive.

OED:

   6. To subject to discipline and instruction for the purpose of
      forming the character and developing the powers of, or of making
      proficient in some occupation. (Also with up.)
   a. To instruct and discipline generally; to educate, rear, bring up.
b. To instruct and discipline in or for some particular art,
      profession, occupation, or practice; to exercise, practise,
      drill; to make proficient by such instruction and practice (see
      also TRAINED ppl. a.). Const. in, for, to.
   
   7.
   a. intr. for pass. To undergo or follow a course of instruction
      and discipline; in early quots., to go through a course of
      military drill, to drill.
   b. intr. With adv. To get into some condition by training;

"I am trained in [the subject]" - "I was taught and am proficient in
[the subject]".

"I trained in [the subject]" - "I learned and am proficient in [the
subject]".

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Evan Kirshenbaum - 10 Feb 2010 17:07 GMT
>>> Why "I trained in" is ok whereas we should say "I am trained in"?
>>> Why do not I need the auxiliary verb "be" when using "trained in"?
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> "I trained in [the subject]" - "I learned and am proficient in [the
> subject]".

But as Cheryl implies, the latter, unlike the former, doesn't really
imply "I am proficient", just "somebody tried to teach me".  I don't
see a contradiction in "I trained in <X> for several years, but I
never really got the hang of it."

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Default User - 10 Feb 2010 20:30 GMT
> > "I am trained in [the subject]" - "I was taught and am proficient in
> > [the subject]".
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> see a contradiction in "I trained in <X> for several years, but I
> never really got the hang of it."

As some dog owners can attest.

Brian

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minimus - 10 Feb 2010 17:40 GMT
Thanks I see it now.
John Lawler - 10 Feb 2010 20:47 GMT
> Thanks I see it now.

Good.  One more thing, though ...

 > Why do not I need the auxiliary verb "be"

While it's true that "do not" is what "don't" unpacks into,
it's nevertheless also true that "don't" is a single verb
which moves to the front of a question, while "do not"
is not a single verb, so that only the "do" should move.

The "not", if it's not contracted with "do", has to stay
with the rest of the verb phrase on the other side of
the subject when "do" is moved around it to the front:

    I [don't] need it.  ~  I [do not] need it.

    [Don't] I need it?   ~  [Do] I [not] need it?
   *[Do not] I need it?

    Why [don't] I need it?  ~  Why [do] I [not] need it?
   *Why [do not] I need it?

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