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Discussion Groups / English Usage / February 2010What does this sound like?
I've recorded one word, which is hard for us to catch as a specific one. But it must be clear for English speaking people, I guess. So let me test. How does the following strike your ears? http://www.lightstriking.com/test/09.wav > I've recorded one word, which is hard for us to catch as a specific > one. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://www.lightstriking.com/test/09.wav Sounds a bit like "blade" or "played" to my old ears. In context it may be interpreted as something else.  SignatureLong-time resident of Adelaide, South Australia, which may or may not influence my opinions. >> I've recorded one word, which is hard for us to catch as a specific >> one. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Sounds a bit like "blade" or "played" to my old ears. In context it > may be interpreted as something else. I don't hear a p or b at the beginning. It sounds like "laid" or perhaps "lathe" to me. SignatureRegards John for mail: my initials plus a u e at tpg dot com dot au >>> I've recorded one word, which is hard for us to catch as a specific >>> one. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I don't hear a p or b at the beginning. It sounds like "laid" or perhaps > "lathe" to me. I heard "laid" too. SignatureJames Thank you very much. THe results are very, very interesting. I picked up this sound from a textbook for English listening practice for us. And this sound is used in the charpter on the test of "s, th", which requests us to reply whether it is s or th. The answer is "LATHE". But many Japaese, I guess, may take it as "LALE". Even some take it as RAIL. > Thank you very much. THe results are very, very interesting. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > The answer is "LATHE". Even knowing the answer, I find it difficult to pick up the "th" sound, but my ears are rather waxed up ATM :). I don't know where I got the initial "p" or "b" sound from. I certainly don't hear it now. SignatureLong-time resident of Adelaide, South Australia, which may or may not influence my opinions. annily: >> The answer is "LATHE". > > Even knowing the answer, I find it difficult to pick up the "th" sound, > but my ears are rather waxed up ATM :). I don't even hear the /l/. It still sounds like "may" to me. SignatureJohn > annily: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I don't even hear the /l/. It still sounds like "may" to me. That's what I get, with perhaps a shading toward "made". SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |Giving money and power to government 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |is like giving whiskey and car keys Palo Alto, CA 94304 |to teenage boys. | P.J. O'Rourke kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ I couldn't hear any sound at the tail of the word. Do you catch any of it, or just feel it? > I couldn't hear any sound at the tail of the word. > Do you catch any of it, or just feel it? It comes to my ear as "LAY". Interestingly, all of you responding are common in not picking up"LAY" or any other similar ones. Whether you hear it as made, laid, lathe, or played, what's common with them is you notice a sound at the tail of the worl not heard to me who therefore listen to it as "LAY". So, my next question is what is a diffrence between "LAY" and the other words you picked up, which are commonly with any sound at the tail of the word whether it is "th" or "d". >> I couldn't hear any sound at the tail of the word. >> Do you catch any of it, or just feel it? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >other words you picked up, which are commonly >with any sound at the tail of the word whether it is "th" or "d". There is at least a rough "click" sound at the end of the "lay" sound. It is easy to hear that as some sort of consonant. I have isolated that sound: http://www.peterduncanson.net/temp/09end.wav SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) On 18 helmi, 22:05, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net> wrote: > >It comes to my ear as "LAY". I heard it as "lays", although the "eI" sound may be somewhat longer in "lathe" than in "lays". But I kept listening to "lay" and "lathe" back and forth on my Longman's CD, and to me the beginning of "lathe" sounds exactly the same as "lay". But I'm another non-native, so there are probably things that I either miss or imagine. Masa, you told that you have reuploaded the clip so that it is now more complete. I don't know if it was originally even shorter, but it still appears to be ending immaturely. The clip itself is 2.9 sec, but the word ends at 1.0 sec, and the rest is silence. What I hear at the end of the word is a hint of a "z" sound, which I don't hear in "lathe" on the Longman's CD, but it could be down to the clip itself, or my ears. > There is at least a rough "click" sound at the end of the "lay" sound. > It is easy to hear that as some sort of consonant. > I have isolated that sound:http://www.peterduncanson.net/temp/09end.wav I didn't recognise any "click" on my Longman's CD, on either American or British English sample. When I click that link the browser tells me that the webpage cannot be found. Peter, I don't know if you've moved or removed the clip, but I'd love to hear it. Ilpo >On 18 helmi, 22:05, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >that the webpage cannot be found. Peter, I don't know if you've moved >or removed the clip, but I'd love to hear it. It's back there, now. http://www.peterduncanson.net/temp/09end.wav SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) > >On 18 helmi, 22:05, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net> > >wrote: > >> There is at least a rough "click" sound at the end of the "lay" sound. > >> It is easy to hear that as some sort of consonant. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > It's back there, now.http://www.peterduncanson.net/temp/09end.wav Many thanks. I have a vague feeling that I may be hearing something of that kind there, perhaps. What I still don't quite get is how to create such a click, or why. These are probably the kind of things that tell native speakers from non-natives, however fluent and flawless the latter otherwise are (neither applies to me, alas). Nevertheless, I'm not going to lose my sleep over this. Ilpo >> >On 18 helmi, 22:05, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net> >> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >flawless the latter otherwise are (neither applies to me, alas). >Nevertheless, I'm not going to lose my sleep over this. I got the impression that the sound as I heard it was a bit rough. It might have been subject to electronic distortion somewhere, possibly before being digitized. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >> I couldn't hear any sound at the tail of the word. >> Do you catch any of it, or just feel it? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > other words you picked up, which are commonly > with any sound at the tail of the word whether it is "th" or "d". The recording was cut before the release phase of the closing sound, which is important for identifying its place of articulation. From the sound of the vowel, the tongue isn't moving forward for a y-glide at the end of the word, as it would be for "lay". The sound indicates to me that the mouth is closing, as it would be for a stop or fricative formed at the front of the mouth ("t", "d", or "th", for example). The length (duration) of the vowel is greater than it would be if the consonant were unvoiced. I hear the word as "lave" or "lathe", with "laid/lade" as a less-likely possibility. In normal conversation, context and habit are more important to understanding than that kind of detail. Speakers often produce words that vary slightly from such standards. Hearers choose the meaning that corresponds best with the meaning of the other words, often without noticing anything wrong; or they may think that the person speaking has an accent. > The recording was cut before the release phase of the closing sound, > which is important for identifying its place of articulation. Reading this, I've got it uploaded again. I'm afraid that the previous one might have been cut before the word was completed, or the last tip of the tail might have been cut. But in fact I'm not sure whether it was or not. Anyway it's been uploaded again after doing a recordoing from the source long enough to cover the whole. >> The recording was cut before the release phase of the closing >> sound, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > uploaded again after doing a recordoing from > the source long enough to cover the whole. It does sound a bit more complete...so, again, I hear what I think is "lathe". >>> The recording was cut before the release phase of the closing >>> sound, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >It does sound a bit more complete...so, again, I hear what I think is >"lathe". I too hear "lathe". SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) [>>> CDB:] >>>> The recording was cut before the release phase of the closing >>>> sound, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> > I too hear "lathe". Yes, that's clearer. >> It does sound a bit more complete...so, again, I hear what I think is >> "lathe". >> > I too hear "lathe". Yes, definitely lathe now, rather than laid. That's much clearer, and it doesn't sound foreign-accented at all. It could be a native speaker. SignatureRegards John for mail: my initials plus a u e at tpg dot com dot au > Thank you very much. THe results are very, very interesting. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > The answer is "LATHE". When you have only these choices, the answer must be LATHE, which is a reasonable interpretation of the sound bite. >>> I've recorded one word, which is hard for us to catch as a >>> specific [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I don't hear a p or b at the beginning. It sounds like "laid" or > perhaps "lathe" to me. I agreed upon first hearing the sound. People might hear "lay, laid, lave" or even "laze", since the of the man's tone of voice leads one to feel the ending is spoken lazily. > I've recorded one word, which is hard for us to catch as a specific > one. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://www.lightstriking.com/test/09.wav Hmm. To me it sounded a bit like "where is", or pehaps "very". However, others have suggested "lathe", and now that I know that that is what it's supposed to be I can just about recognize it. Signatureathel > I've recorded one word, which is hard for us to catch as a specific > one. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://www.lightstriking.com/test/09.wav I just kept hearing "nave" even though I knew what it should be. |
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